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Aero

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I agree. Maybe they would’ve come out on top if they had been more brutal. What do you think?
Sounds like you know little of violence. 10 mangy dogs can kill a lion. And it's not a question of brutality, but strategy.
 

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I didn't say it was necessary, just that plenty of bootlicking cop lovers exist out there. Either way, getting fired from any job, for any reason can hurt the chances of reemployment. Once again, I say that cops aren't more special than anyone else.

People aren't supposed to die in police custody. Period. Both of these cases presented the responding officers with options that didn't involve killing someone. Basically nobody is making excuses for Floyd or Brooks, but people are making excuses for the police. These dudes belonged in jail, or having their day in court.
Ya, being fired from any job doesn’t help ya get a new one..but to be fired as a police officer..that’s gonna be hard to overcome.

Who says people aren’t supposed to die in police custody? If you resist arrest, run from the police or attack them than you’re definitely taking your chances...that’s common sense.

You’re making excuses for them while condemning the police..
 

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The actual officials involved in the case said otherwise. Or do we only listen to officials when the confirm our own bias?
Haha..possibly..but I’d there is more info like they didn’t have the wrong house..and all the other eveidence if surveilling the house..then you have to drop the lying narrative for the true one.


There is no reason to crush a mans neck while he’s handcuffed for over eight minutes while he’s gasping he can’t breathe. There’s literally no context on earth that makes that acceptable. Move your fucking knee to his back for chrissakes - he’s still detained and immobilized.
I think that’s why we have to figure out what was going on prior to the police getting in him like that..could have something to do with the drugs he took..
 

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You have no problem with cops killing people over summary offenses.

You do have a problem with a mother killing someone who murdered their own child in cold blood.

play that out in your brain a couple times.
 

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Haha..possibly..but I’d there is more info like they didn’t have the wrong house..and all the other eveidence if surveilling the house..then you have to drop the lying narrative for the true one.



I think that’s why we have to figure out what was going on prior to the police getting in him like that..could have something to do with the drugs he took..
He was handcuffed Lisa. Handcuffed. That’s like an adult beating up a child. It’s an unfair fight. Shouldn’t have happened. Once someone’s handcuffed no matter how much they may be resisting they pose no real threat. Just a nuisance. Are we executing drug addicts now? Did someone decide that’s acceptable and I missed it? I’m sure you’d be thrilled if they did but I’m sorry to break it to you.. the law still says otherwise.
 

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Ya, being fired from any job doesn’t help ya get a new one..but to be fired as a police officer..that’s gonna be hard to overcome.

Who says people aren’t supposed to die in police custody? If you resist arrest, run from the police or attack them than you’re definitely taking your chances...that’s common sense.

You’re making excuses for them while condemning the police..
The Constitution of the United States says it. No citizen shall have their life, liberty or property taken away without due process.

You want to go along with cops who poopoo on the Constitution, go ahead. Some of us believe in it.
 

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You have no problem with cops killing people over summary offenses.

You do have a problem with a mother killing someone who murdered their own child in cold blood.

play that out in your brain a couple times.
I said we need to investigate to get the big picture in Floyd’s death..however chauvin isn’t going to get out of this.

I’m not sure what your talking about with the mom.
 

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He was handcuffed Lisa. Handcuffed. That’s like an adult beating up a child. It’s an unfair fight. Shouldn’t have happened. Once someone’s handcuffed no matter how much they may be resisting they pose no real threat. Just a nuisance. Are we executing drug addicts now? Did someone decide that’s acceptable and I missed it? I’m sure you’d be thrilled if they did but I’m sorry to break it to you.. the law still says otherwise.
He should have stopped resisting..would have went a lot easier on him..he probably wouldn’t be dead. And I guarantee you if he had started out paying with legal tender..he wouldn’t have been in that position in the first place.
 

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The Constitution of the United States says it. No citizen shall have their life, liberty or property taken away without due process.

You want to go along with cops who poopoo on the Constitution, go ahead. Some of us believe in it.
Haha..you must have liked when I used the poo-poo thing!

I’m not sure what world you live in..people shouldn’t be criminals either..:rolleyes:
 

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I said we need to investigate to get the big picture in Floyd’s death..however chauvin isn’t going to get out of this.

I’m not sure what your talking about with the mom.
He sat on his neck and suffocated him while he was handcuffed and screaming he can’t breathe. It was caught on tape. There is nothing else to investigate. You can restrain a person when they are a physical threat. You can’t continue crushing them to death once they’ve been subdued.

Yes you do. Stop acting obtuse. When I said if someone killed my daughter they wouldn’t see the inside of a jail cell you started clutching your pearl
 

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He should have stopped resisting..would have went a lot easier on him..he probably wouldn’t be dead. And I guarantee you if he had started out paying with legal tender..he wouldn’t have been in that position in the first place.
He stopped resisting about 30 seconds into that choke hold. I seriously hope you never experience a power tripping blood thirsty cop yourself Lisa.
 

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He sat on his neck and suffocated him while he was handcuffed and screaming he can’t breathe. It was caught on tape. There is nothing else to investigate. You can restrain a person when they are a physical threat. You can’t continue crushing them to death once they’ve been subdued.

Yes you do. Stop acting obtuse. When I said if someone killed my daughter they wouldn’t see the inside of a jail cell you started clutching your pearl
I thought he was saying he can’t breathe even before that..so...maybe that’s why they didn’t believe him?
Again..that’s why we need to take a look at the whole thing since contract matters. Also dude was on drugs..that changes things.

I had no idea you were referring to yourself..I don’t actullay file away everything you say to be remembered at a later date. Plus you have no idea if you’d really do that anyway. That’s just bluster talking.
 

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Haha..you must have liked when I used the poo-poo thing!

I’m not sure what world you live in..people shouldn’t be criminals either..:rolleyes:
I don't know what you mean by me living in a different world. If cops can't uphold the Constitution then we should have a serious conversation as a nation.
 

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I don't know what you mean by me living in a different world. If cops can't uphold the Constitution then we should have a serious conversation as a nation.
I thought we were having those conversations now?
But..I wonder why the black community doesn’t riot with black on black violence which is everyday? or even have problems when their youngest and most helpless are murdered in the womb? It seems that there should be some consistency at the very least. Anyway..this isn’t really about black lives mattering because if it were..the things I just mentioned would be as big a deal..but it isn’t. This is all about politics and an election...nothing more, nothing less.
 

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I thought we were having those conversations now?
But..I wonder why the black community doesn’t riot with black on black violence which is everyday? or even have problems when their youngest and most helpless are murdered in the womb? It seems that there should be some consistency at the very least. Anyway..this isn’t really about black lives mattering because if it were..the things I just mentioned would be as big a deal..but it isn’t. This is all about politics and an election...nothing more, nothing less.
I'm like the only one making a constitutional argument. Everyone else is just towing the culture war lines.

As far as your appeal to hypocrisy, it's irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Plus even we were all huge hypocrites, it doesn't make us wrong about police brutality. The reality is way too many people end up dead after dealing with the police.
 

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I'm like the only one making a constitutional argument. Everyone else is just towing the culture war lines.

As far as your appeal to hypocrisy, it's irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Plus even we were all huge hypocrites, it doesn't make us wrong about police brutality. The reality is way too many people end up dead after dealing with the police.
It is pretty hypocritical and worrisome that people care more about what happened to a black criminal and could cheer and be happy that a black baby in the womb died..Kind of reminds me of Jesus and Barabbas honestly.
 
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Sounds like you know little of violence. 10 mangy dogs can kill a lion. And it's not a question of brutality, but strategy.
The cops weren't trying to kill a lion, were they? They were trying to restrain a man of similar size in the least harmful way possible, and it eventually cost Ragshard's life. If they would've incapacitated Ragshard, he might still have been alive. Yes, you read that right. Police brutality can save lives.
 
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$115 billion a year on police. $80 billion a year on prisons. It costs more to continue doing what we are doing now. If poverty didn’t increase crime then the best method to prevent recidivism wouldn’t be a good paying job.
If a job and solid income are what keeps people from falling back into crime, how come this?

“The recession of 2008-09 has undercut one of the most destructive social theories that came out of the 1960s: the idea that the root cause of crime lies in income inequality and social injustice.​
“As the economy started shedding jobs in 2008, criminologists and pundits predicted that crime would shoot up, since poverty, as the ‘root causes’ theory holds, begets criminals. Instead, the opposite happened.”​
“Over seven million lost jobs later, crime has plummeted to its lowest level since the early 1960s. The consequences of this drop for how we think about social order are significant.”​
Mac Donald further asserts that “by the end of 2009, the purported association between economic hardship and crime was in shambles.​
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Stop pretending that you actually care about stopping crime. High crime rates in certain areas is exactly what you want because you need that to justify your hateful nonsense.
A bridge too far. You're on ignore.
 
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