George Floyd/Protests/Peace/Riots/Chaos

[Lisa]

You must not have any experience with police whatsoever if your able to think that. No ones asking police to be overly nice, just not kill and brutalize people with no good reason.

Most don’t..

 

[Lisa]

What does Floyd’s rap sheet have to do with the fact that MOST crime is nonviolent property or drug related? Do you just make up “facts“ and dismiss facts Based on how the wind is blowing?

Haha..no..but Aero said it was mostly non violent crime..yet the poster boy for blm is a violent criminal..I think that‘s strange to say that most crime is non violent yet Floyd wasn’t.

 

[justjess]

Haha..no..but Aero said it was mostly non violent crime..yet the poster boy for blm is a violent criminal..I think that‘s strange to say that most crime is non violent yet Floyd wasn’t.

Most crime is nonviolent. The crime Floyd was accused of at his time of death was nonviolent. No one ever said he didn’t have a history of violence on his record nor does his record have anything to do with the national crime statistics. He became a poster boy because of the way he was killed, not because he was a saint. They could have used someone like breonna Taylor - probably should have - but you’d have just found some reason to smear her too. Just like they smeared that little boy tamir rice. There will never be a perfect enough victim for someone who doesn’t see anything wrong with the way police handle things to begin with.

 

[Aero]

Right..how many jobs are opened to fired cops?

No cop work is messy due to the unpredictability of their line of work. You don’t know what anyone will do when you stop them or try to arrest them..and you’re dealing with criminals who aren’t the most honorable of people anyway.

Most crime is theft and property crime? lol! Sure...the man who started this all had a rap sheet..and it was violent..

I would imagine plenty of professions could use good ex-cops. The keyword being "good".

Funny how the military seems to deal with unpredictability in their line of work just fine. And they actually go after violent terrorists. They actually go to real wars and hostile territory yet manage not to shoot innocent people every day. Of course, people in the military actually get good training, plus there are real consequences when a soldier screws up.

It's my understanding that Floyd served his time for his prior crimes. So I don't know what the point is of bringing up his past. If people don't deserve rehabilitation, why do we even have jails or courts? We might as well just go shoot every criminal, I mean you apparently think that's OK.

 

[Lisa]

Most crime is nonviolent. The crime Floyd was accused of at his time of death was nonviolent. No one ever said he didn’t have a history of violence on his record nor does his record have anything to do with the national crime statistics. He became a poster boy because of the way he was killed, not because he was a saint. They could have used someone like breonna Taylor - probably should have - but you’d have just found some reason to smear her too. Just like they smeared that little not tanker rice. There will never be a perfect enough victim for someone who doesn’t see anything wrong with the way police handle things to begin with.

If you’re a criminal how can you be the perfect victim? What do all those people have in common..they were criminals...they are playing around with violence and if you do that..you might get hurt or lose your life.

 

[justjess]

If you’re a criminal how can you be the perfect victim? What do all those people have in common..they were criminals...they are playing around with violence and if you do that..you might get hurt or lose your life.

Was Breonna Taylor a criminal? They aren’t all criminals Lisa. and even among criminals there’s different levels. Most criminals aren’t violent for one, yet you say “playing around with violence”

Do you have any regard/consideration/empathy for “criminals” whatsoever? Do you realize taking a leak outside actually makes one a criminal? Do you realize your dehumanizing millions of people for past mistakes and your own bible warns you against doing so?

Police Violated Human Rights of George Floyd Protesters 125 Times: Amnesty

The human rights organization documented instances of police violence in 40 states during protests between May 26 and June 5.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Lisa]

I would imagine plenty of professions could use good ex-cops. The keyword being "good".

Funny how the military seems to deal with unpredictability in their line of work just fine. And they actually go after violent terrorists. They actually go to real wars and hostile territory yet manage not to shoot innocent people every day. Of course, people in the military actually get good training, plus there are real consequences when a soldier screws up.

It's my understanding that Floyd served his time for his prior crimes. So I don't know what the point is of bringing up his past. If people don't deserve rehabilitation, why do we even have jails or courts? We might as well just go shoot every criminal, I mean you apparently think that's OK.

Right..they got fired as a cop and someone will hire a fired ex cop....I think that would be a tough sell, honestly.

Lol! You’re for the military?

I bring up his past because its there and shows his character. He didn’t get rehabilitation in prison..otherwise he wouldn’t have been on drugs or paying with a fake bill.

I didn’t say anything is ok..but instead of watching a video and making a judgement call..lets get all the facts and then look at it. Chauvin was fired, arrested and charged within four days and I doubt there was any investigation in that. We don’t know what happened prior to seeing him kneeling on Floyd’s neck. We’ve seen a little bit here and there..but why doesn’t the media show it all? Do they not have it all..or have they suppressed the bits that don’t tell their story? Sort of like you do?

 

[justjess]

Right..they got fired as a cop and someone will hire a fired ex cop....I think that would be a tough sell, honestly.

Lol! You’re for the military?

I bring up his past because its there and shows his character. He didn’t get rehabilitation in prison..otherwise he wouldn’t have been on drugs or paying with a fake bill.

I didn’t say anything is ok..but instead of watching a video and making a judgement call..lets get all the facts and then look at it. Chauvin was fired, arrested and charged within four days and I doubt there was any investigation in that. We don’t know what happened prior to seeing him kneeling on Floyd’s neck. We’ve seen a little bit here and there..but why doesn’t the media show it all? Do they not have it all..or have they suppressed the bits that don’t tell their story? Sort of like you do?

Floyd was murdered in a matter of minutes. Apparantly that was long enough to conclude his crime warranted the death sentence, yet DAYS isn’t long enough to conclude that the cop deserved to be fired and/or charged when the incident was caught on video.

 

[Lisa]

Was Breonna Taylor a criminal? They aren’t all criminals Lisa. and even among criminals there’s different levels. Most criminals aren’t violent for one, yet you say “playing around with violence”

Do you have any regard/consideration/empathy for “criminals” whatsoever? Do you realize taking a leak outside actually makes one a criminal? Do you realize your dehumanizing millions of people for past mistakes and your own bible warns you against doing so?

Police Violated Human Rights of George Floyd Protesters 125 Times: Amnesty

The human rights organization documented instances of police violence in 40 states during protests between May 26 and June 5.

www.newsweek.com

This guy is an ex officer..and didn’t think she was innocent..

Even criminals can be saved by Jesus..so in that respect I do have consideration for criminals..however, I think that if you do a crime then you should be prepared to suffer the consequences for it.

I’m not dehumanizing anyone..but you are looking at a persons character...if he was truly changed he wouldn’t be on drugs or paying with fake money.

 

[Aero]

Right..they got fired as a cop and someone will hire a fired ex cop....I think that would be a tough sell, honestly.

Lol! You’re for the military?

I bring up his past because its there and shows his character. He didn’t get rehabilitation in prison..otherwise he wouldn’t have been on drugs or paying with a fake bill.

I didn’t say anything is ok..but instead of watching a video and making a judgement call..lets get all the facts and then look at it. Chauvin was fired, arrested and charged within four days and I doubt there was any investigation in that. We don’t know what happened prior to seeing him kneeling on Floyd’s neck. We’ve seen a little bit here and there..but why doesn’t the media show it all? Do they not have it all..or have they suppressed the bits that don’t tell their story? Sort of like you do?

There are plenty of sycophantic cop lovers out there, I'm sure someone like you would hire an ex-cop.

Floyd's character is irrelevant unless you believe people should be killed based on that. Obviously I doubt that is your real positioning here. You're just grasping at straws, and not understanding where the straw leads.

Also, it's kind of hard to get all the facts when the person in question (Floyd or Brooks) was killed. In any case, there's no rush to judgment on my part. These men were detained by police, as they were in police custody. They were alive before they were in police custody, and afterward, they were dead. Those are facts, not judgment.

BTW I'm pro-soldier, not pro-military

 

[Lisa]

Floyd was murdered in a matter of minutes. Apparantly that was long enough to conclude his crime warranted the death sentence, yet DAYS isn’t long enough to conclude that the cop deserved to be fired and/or charged when the incident was caught on video.

Yes...they should have investigated how things happened beforehand to get the context of why he was leaning on the man’s neck...that’s important information and should be taken into account.

 

[Lisa]

There are plenty of sycophantic cop lovers out there, I'm sure someone like you would hire an ex-cop.

Floyd's character is irrelevant unless you believe people should be killed based on that. Obviously I doubt that is your real positioning here. You're just grasping at straws, and not understanding where the straw leads.

Also, it's kind of hard to get all the facts when the person in question (Floyd or Brooks) was killed. In any case, there's no rush to judgment on my part. These men were detained by police, as they were in police custody. They were alive before they were in police custody, and afterward, they were dead. Those are facts, not judgment.

So now you have to go to sycophantic cop lovers...cause you know that being fired for being a cop is gonna hurt your chances at another job.

Floyd’s character isn’t irrelevant. He was a career criminal...so they are gonna look at him with a little more closely.

They might be the facts..but not all the facts..one should gather all the facts and then make decisions...not take out the facts they don’t like because it doesn’t fit how they view the world.

 

[justjess]

This guy is an ex officer..and didn’t think she was innocent..

Even criminals can be saved by Jesus..so in that respect I do have consideration for criminals..however, I think that if you do a crime then you should be prepared to suffer the consequences for it.

I’m not dehumanizing anyone..but you are looking at a persons character...if he was truly changed he wouldn’t be on drugs or paying with fake money.

Wow... she was asleep in her bed and the cops got the wrong apartment. I don’t know how much clearer this can get. As I said you will malign anyone to avoid having to face this situation and absolve police from any and all wrong doing.

 

[Lisa]

Wow... she was asleep in her bed and the cops got the wrong apartment. I don’t know how much clearer this can get. As I said you will malign anyone to avoid having to face this situation and absolve police from any and all wrong doing.

No..he said that they didn’t get the wrong apartment..that that was false information..they had been running surveillance on her house.

 

[justjess]

There are plenty of sycophantic cop lovers out there, I'm sure someone like you would hire an ex-cop.

Floyd's character is irrelevant unless you believe people should be killed based on that. Obviously I doubt that is your real positioning here. You're just grasping at straws, and not understanding where the straw leads.

Also, it's kind of hard to get all the facts when the person in question (Floyd or Brooks) was killed. In any case, there's no rush to judgment on my part. These men were detained by police, as they were in police custody. They were alive before they were in police custody, and afterward, they were dead. Those are facts, not judgment.

BTW I'm pro-soldier, not pro-military

She has an issue with a mother killing someone who murdered their own child in cold blood. Put that together.

 

[justjess]

No..he said that they didn’t get the wrong apartment..that that was false information..they had been running surveillance on her house.

The actual officials involved in the case said otherwise. Or do we only listen to officials when the confirm our own bias?

 

[justjess]

Yes...they should have investigated how things happened beforehand to get the context of why he was leaning on the man’s neck...that’s important information and should be taken into account.

There is no reason to crush a mans neck while he’s handcuffed for over eight minutes while he’s gasping he can’t breathe. There’s literally no context on earth that makes that acceptable. Move your fucking knee to his back for chrissakes - he’s still detained and immobilized.

 

[justjess]

So now you have to go to sycophantic cop lovers...cause you know that being fired for being a cop is gonna hurt your chances at another job.

Floyd’s character isn’t irrelevant. He was a career criminal...so they are gonna look at him with a little more closely.

They might be the facts..but not all the facts..one should gather all the facts and then make decisions...not take out the facts they don’t like because it doesn’t fit how they view the world.

Being fired from ANY job hurts your chances of getting another job. That’s why it’s highly recommended people follow the policies of their employer and don’t do dickhead shit like murder people for summary offenses.

 

[Aero]

So now you have to go to sycophantic cop lovers...cause you know that being fired for being a cop is gonna hurt your chances at another job.

Floyd’s character isn’t irrelevant. He was a career criminal...so they are gonna look at him with a little more closely.

They might be the facts..but not all the facts..one should gather all the facts and then make decisions...not take out the facts they don’t like because it doesn’t fit how they view the world.

I didn't say it was necessary, just that plenty of bootlicking cop lovers exist out there. Either way, getting fired from any job, for any reason can hurt the chances of reemployment. Once again, I say that cops aren't more special than anyone else.

People aren't supposed to die in police custody. Period. Both of these cases presented the responding officers with options that didn't involve killing someone. Basically nobody is making excuses for Floyd or Brooks, but people are making excuses for the police. These dudes belonged in jail, or having their day in court.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Nobody should have to convince you that 2 cops being unable to control 1 drunk dude, while also getting their weapon stolen is good police work.

I agree. Maybe they would’ve come out on top if they had been more brutal. What do you think?