George Floyd/Protests/Peace/Riots/Chaos

[justjess]

Sure, let's just throw more money from non-black people to black people. That will solve the problem.

FYI: Poverty does not increase crime !

$115 billion a year on police. $80 billion a year on prisons. It costs more to continue doing what we are doing now. If poverty didn’t increase crime then the best method to prevent recidivism wouldn’t be a good paying job. Stop pretending that you actually care about stopping crime. High crime rates in certain areas is exactly what you want because you need that to justify your hateful nonsense.

 

[intoxifaded]

Has anyone in this thread brought up the 13th amendment yet? I'm not going to read through all the infighting to check.

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Technically speaking, anyone who gets arrested in any of the protests (whether they're BLM or anti-mask) can be legally enslaved if they're arrested.

Interesting how the BLM protests are full of agent provocateurs meant to incite riots and looting.

Interesting how (in Los Angeles I witnessed) that the police were more concerned about arresting protesters exercising their first amendment right than the actual looters who were vandalizing around them.

Interesting how the U.S. militia is legally allowed to enslave people who speak up about injustice...as long as people in the vicinity are throwing conveniently placed bricks into buildings.

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I think the reason so much is spent on police, and so little is spent on social development is obvious. Less money into schools and jobs= more crime. More crime=more slaves. You're either a slave, a slave handler, or a docile member of society who doesn't question those in power.

***Hell, you don't even have to go that deep. Less money into schools and communities = protests about budget cuts. Throw some agents into those protests where people are understandably pissed about their taxes being mishandled and BAM you can arrest all those people who dared to speak up about childrens' education being defunded.

 

[rainerann]

I see you're trying to be the reasonable voice in all this, but this is just black crime apologetics. You're right that policing isn't independent from criminal activity, but criminal activity is generally independent from policing. Whether the police is there or not, crimes will be committed.

Police is not there to rehabilitate criminals, they are there to detain them if they commit a crime. If their method of detaining criminals is not the proper method, than perhaps society needs to think of a way to discourage blacks from committing crime in the first place so they are not detained. How that can be done? There are cultural ways of doing so, but even those are generally considered racist.

Perhaps we've also been trying the same thing over and over because not enough people have the balls to call out the actual problem? Ie. "Hey blacks. Stop committing so much crime!" #stopcommittingcrime. #ifyoudocommitacrimesuckituplikeamananddontresistarrest. #wherearethefathers.

i don’t know how you would argue this. If being arrested doesn’t create a deterrent to commit crime, then it is not functioning as an effective method of improving society and should be replaced at least in part if not in full.

And I’m really interested in hearing the cultural ways that exist to discourage people from committing crime that would be considered racist by an external audience.

 

[Lisa]

Sowing the Sixties Winds, Reaping Today’s Whirlwind
Today's disorder reflects just how successful the leftist “long march through the institutions” has been.

Sowing the Sixties Winds, Reaping Today’s Whirlwind | Frontpage Mag

Bruce Thornton is a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center. From one perspective, the surreal absurdity of the current protests

www.frontpagemag.com

Reading the comments..
60's winds were sown by 30's winds were sown by 1900's/1910's winds.
Everybody forgets that the SDS was not created in a vacuum. SDS grew out of the SLID(the group was re-named), which was an offshoot of the LID, which was originally named the ISS. The ISS was founded in 1912. They were college students, the ISS, who wanted more socialism.
Acronyms:
SDS: Students for a Democratic Society
SLID: Student League for Industrial Democracy
LID: League for Industrial Democracy
ISS: Intercollegiate Socialist Society
Norman Thomas was a member of the LID, as was Upton Sinclair. This was a significant radical organization.

 

[Lisa]

Minneapolis council puts plan to abolish police in motion
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — The Minneapolis City Council votes Friday on a proposal to change the city charter to allow elimination of the city’s police department, a radical move supported by a majority of the council after George Floyd’s death but far from assured.

The vote is one step in a process that faces significant bureaucratic obstacles to make the November ballot, where the city’s voters would have the final say. And it comes amid a spate of recent shootings in Minnesota’s largest city that have heightened many citizens’ concerns about talk of dismantling the department.

The Minneapolis force has come under heavy pressure since Floyd, a Black man in handcuffs, died May 25 after a police officer pressed his knee on Floyd’s neck for nearly eight minutes. Activists had long accused the department of being unable to change a racist and brutal culture, and earlier this month, a majority of the council proclaimed support for dismantling the department.

Plan advances to allow dismantling Minneapolis Police Dept.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — The Minneapolis City Council on Friday unanimously advanced a proposal to change the city charter to allow the police department to be dismantled, following widespread criticism of law enforcement over the killing of George Floyd.

apnews.com

 

[Lisa]

 

[justjess]

Has anyone in this thread brought up the 13th amendment yet? I'm not going to read through all the infighting to check.

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Technically speaking, anyone who gets arrested in any of the protests (whether they're BLM or anti-mask) can be legally enslaved if they're arrested.

Interesting how the BLM protests are full of agent provocateurs meant to incite riots and looting.

Interesting how (in Los Angeles I witnessed) that the police were more concerned about arresting protesters exercising their first amendment right than the actual looters who were vandalizing around them.

Interesting how the U.S. militia is legally allowed to enslave people who speak up about injustice...as long as people in the vicinity are throwing conveniently placed bricks into buildings.

**
I think the reason so much is spent on police, and so little is spent on social development is obvious. Less money into schools and jobs= more crime. More crime=more slaves. You're either a slave, a slave handler, or a docile member of society who doesn't question those in power.

***Hell, you don't even have to go that deep. Less money into schools and communities = protests about budget cuts. Throw some agents into those protests where people are understandably pissed about their taxes being mishandled and BAM you can arrest all those people who dared to speak up about childrens' education being defunded.

Exactly. Prisons are the new plantations. Prisoners are the new slaves. There’s a reason we have the highest incarceration rate in the world. Add in the recentish development of private for profit prisons... people are blind when it’s convenient.

 

[Aero]

This is kindergarten stuff. Can't convince me of Ragshard Brooks' case so you're forcing me to make a judgment on a case I know nothing about. I'll consider it a capitulation and move on.

Nobody should have to convince you that 2 cops being unable to control 1 drunk dude, while also getting their weapon stolen is good police work.

 

[Lisa]

Nobody should have to convince you that 2 cops being unable to control 1 drunk dude, while also getting their weapon stolen is good police work.

Because they have to be too nice to criminals now? Damned if they do...damned if they don’t.

 

[Aero]

Because they have to be too nice to criminals now? Damned if they do...damned if they don’t.

Nobody said that cops have to be "nice".

How some of you can watch a literal failure of police work, and just shrug is mind-boggling to me. I like cops who don't lose fights with drunk guys. I like cops who don't get their weapons taken from them.

 

[Lisa]

 

[Lisa]

Nobody said that cops have to be "nice".

How some of you can watch a literal failure of police work, and just shrug is mind-boggling to me. I like cops who don't lose fights with drunk guys. I like cops who don't get their weapons taken from them.

O yes..cops have to be nice now...or else! Anything can and will be said against them in the court of public opinion and they will lose their jobs or have their families threatened.

 

[justjess]

O yes..cops have to be nice now...or else! Anything can and will be said against them in the court of public opinion and they will lose their jobs or have their families threatened.

Even if that was true what exactly is the problem with treating people respectfully? Or “nicely”? When you act like a dick all you do is escalate things. Then you have dead civilians and dead cops. Seems like a stupid thing to do just so you can act better then someone.

 

[Lisa]

Even if that was true what exactly is the problem with treating people respectfully? Or “nicely”? When you act like a dick all you do is escalate things. Then you have dead civilians and dead cops. Seems like a stupid thing to do just so you can act better then someone.

I think the police always try to be respectful of people..until they try to resist or lie to them..and then different measures need to be used. But..nowadays..the media along with mobs of people want the police to be overly nice to people as a way to do their jobs. I think that when you are dealing with criminals you do try to be respectful..they are human after all..but how respectful can you be with a murderer, thief, domestic abuser, child pornographer..etc?
If you don’t follow police commands...then you are responsible for what happens after.

 

[Aero]

O yes..cops have to be nice now...or else! Anything can and will be said against them in the court of public opinion and they will lose their jobs or have their families threatened.

That's a deflection.

A cop gets his "deadly weapon" straight up taken from him, and the pro-cop clowns of VC are like wow, what a terrible criminal. Instead of saying, wow, what a terrible cop. Like why wasn't that cop using the taser instead of letting the perp take it from him? Did that cop receive any training at all? Those are questions some of you refuse to ask.

As far as your sob story about police losing their jobs. EVERYONE is at risk to lose their jobs. In fact, the only profession in the world where it's difficult to fire someone is police work. It's like Art said, this is a kindergarten type of stuff. If you screw up at your job, you will lose your job. Cops aren't special and they don't deserve kid gloves, especially when they are so prone to violence.

 

[Lisa]

That's a deflection.

A cop gets his "deadly weapon" straight up taken from him, and the pro-cop clowns of VC are like wow, what a terrible criminal. Instead of saying, wow, what a terrible cop. Like why wasn't that cop using the taser instead of letting the perp take it from him? Did that cop receive any training at all? Those are questions some of you refuse to ask.

As far as your sob story about police losing their jobs. EVERYONE is at risk to lose their jobs. In fact, the only profession in the world where it's difficult to fire someone is police work. It's like Art said, this is a kindergarten type of stuff. If you screw up at your job, you will lose your job. Cops aren't special and they don't deserve kid gloves, especially when they are so prone to violence.

How’s that a deflection when the police are scared of that very thing..its bad enough to lose your job..its even worse to have people know who you are and come to your house and threaten you and your family.

I don’t refuse to ask questions..but I do understand the messiness of police work..unlike you.

Criminals are prone to violence...sometimes to counter that..you need to expend force and sometimes that turns deadly for all involved.

 

[Aero]

How’s that a deflection when the police are scared of that very thing..its bad enough to lose your job..its even worse to have people know who you are and come to your house and threaten you and your family.

I don’t refuse to ask questions..but I do understand the messiness of police work..unlike you.

Criminals are prone to violence...sometimes to counter that..you need to expend force and sometimes that turns deadly for all involved.

If the scared cops you speak of are talented, or hardworking than they can get another job just fine. Their lives don't end because they got fired.

Cop work is only messy because of a lack of training. In the Brooks case, you had 2 cops with zero technical skills, and they got exposed and had to shoot a dude. If they had been trained properly, they would have restrained Brooks without incident.

Most crime is stuff like theft, and property crime. So no, the idea that criminals are prone to violence is not true. Basically you could look at the rap sheet of the average criminal and see no violence. Look at the average police department, and there are probably hundreds of complaints of excessive force.

 

[Lisa]

If the scared cops you speak of are talented, or hardworking than they can get another job just fine. Their lives don't end because they got fired.

Cop work is only messy because of a lack of training. In the Brooks case, you had 2 cops with zero technical skills, and they got exposed and had to shoot a dude. If they had been trained properly, they would have restrained Brooks without incident.

Most crime is stuff like theft, and property crime. So no, the idea that criminals are prone to violence is not true. Basically you could look at the rap sheet of the average criminal and see no violence. Look at the average police department, and there are probably hundreds of complaints of excessive force.

Right..how many jobs are opened to fired cops?

No cop work is messy due to the unpredictability of their line of work. You don’t know what anyone will do when you stop them or try to arrest them..and you’re dealing with criminals who aren’t the most honorable of people anyway.

Most crime is theft and property crime? lol! Sure...the man who started this all had a rap sheet..and it was violent..

 

[justjess]

I think the police always try to be respectful of people..until they try to resist or lie to them..and then different measures need to be used. But..nowadays..the media along with mobs of people want the police to be overly nice to people as a way to do their jobs. I think that when you are dealing with criminals you do try to be respectful..they are human after all..but how respectful can you be with a murderer, thief, domestic abuser, child pornographer..etc?
If you don’t follow police commands...then you are responsible for what happens after.

You must not have any experience with police whatsoever if your able to think that. No ones asking police to be overly nice, just not kill and brutalize people with no good reason.

 

[justjess]

Right..how many jobs are opened to fired cops?

No cop work is messy due to the unpredictability of their line of work. You don’t know what anyone will do when you stop them or try to arrest them..and you’re dealing with criminals who aren’t the most honorable of people anyway.

Most crime is theft and property crime? lol! Sure...the man who started this all had a rap sheet..and it was violent..

What does Floyd’s rap sheet have to do with the fact that MOST crime is nonviolent property or drug related? Do you just make up “facts“ and dismiss facts Based on how the wind is blowing?