Did Jesus Abolish the law by fulfilling it?

[phipps]

No he didn't. We are supposed to be Christ like. And Jeremiah said God is going to write the laws on our hearts after repentance and purging of sins.
No wonder anti-christ reighns in this world.
Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law is sheer Satanist Crowley BS

True.

 

[Stucky]

Why do you Christians shame your Christ with these debates? It's simple! Love is the fulfilment of the law. John ch8...did Christ break the law by not stoning the woman or did he fulfil the law through love?

1st Cor Ch 13

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

That passage is showing us what the nature of Christ is...

 

[Tidal]

I think this post is not meant for this thread?

Sorry, perhaps your posts are a bit too long for me to see what point you were trying to make, but the gist seemed to be that you were saying God will forgive all nonchristians and let them into heaven.
If that's going to be the case, I swear to God I don't want to go..

 

[phipps]

Why do you Christians shame your Christ with these debates? It's simple! Love is the fulfilment of the law. John ch8...did Christ break the law by not stoning the woman or did he fulfil the law through love?

1st Cor Ch 13

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

That passage is showing us what the nature of Christ is...

Love on its own is not the fulfilment of the law. Not according to the Bible. Love is very important and the Bible tells us, "For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). We should love Jesus because, "he first loved us" (1 John 4:19). This kind of love comes from God. "He who does not love does not know God, for God is love" (1 John 4:8).

Jesus wants us to have a loving relationship with Him but there are conditions, “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; ... These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full” (John 15:10, 11). Those conditions are there because God knows that's the only way we can be fulfilled, content, have fullness of life no matter what happens to us or around us in this world.

Christ fulfilled (obeyed the law) by not stoning the woman because we should love our neighbours as we love ourselves (Mark 12:30-31). When we obey God, it means we have faith, trust and love Him.

I've edited this.

 

[phipps]

Sorry, perhaps your posts are a bit too long for me to see what point you were trying to make, but the gist seemed to be that you were saying God will forgive all nonchristians and let them into heaven.
If that's going to be the case, I swear to God I don't want to go..

If you find what I post long then that doesn't mean you get to make up what point I was making. You completely missed the point.

 

[Stucky]

Love is not the fulfilment of the law. Not according to the Bible.

You just admitted that love fulfils the law, cant you see it? Anyway here's what Romans 13 says

8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. ...

 

[Tidal]

If you find what I post long then that doesn't mean you get to make up what point I was making. You completely missed the point.

I wish you'd simply tell us briefly what your point is, then we wouldn't have to guess..
"The more the words, the less the meaning, and how does that profit anyone?" (Bible: Ecc 6:11)

 

[phipps]

You just admitted that love fulfils the law, cant you see it? Anyway here's what Romans 13 says

8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. ...

I should have explained myself better. There are many factors to fulfilling the law and love is one of them. Love is a very important factor because we cannot have any deep relationship with God without love but there is more to it than that. If we have love of God, we obey, we have faith, trust etc. So Christ obeyed (fulfilled) the law by not stoning the woman. There is more to the subject than just simply saying love is the fulfilment of the law. We've got to explain more as does the Bible and this thread.

 

[phipps]

I wish you'd simply tell us briefly what your point is, then we wouldn't have to guess..
"The more the words, the less the meaning, and how does that profit anyone?" (Bible: Ecc 6:11)

This is a thread with different lengths of posts and not just mine. I don't go out of my way to post long posts but sometimes I have to make a point that way. I can't help you if you can't be bothered to read them but please don't guess what my point is if you haven't bothered to read any of the posts.

 

[Tidal]

..I can't help you if you can't be bothered to read them but please don't guess what my point is if you haven't bothered to read any of the posts.

This thread has currently run to 9 pages and I still can't figure out what it's about, so of course I'm having to guess..

 

[Kung Fu]

This thread has currently run to 9 pages and I still can't figure out what it's about, so of course I'm having to guess..

Only among Christians will you see them countering a Bible verse with another Bible verse.

 

[phipps]

This thread has currently run to 9 pages and I still can't figure out what it's about, so of course I'm having to guess..

You're wrong to make guesses. If you don't understand something that doesn't mean you make things up as you go along. That is equivalent to lying.

 

[phipps]

Only among Christians will you see them countering a Bible verse with another Bible verse.

There are literally thousands of denominations in Christendom with different beliefs and most of them misinterpret the Bible on many subjects. There is only one truth on those subjects so of course if a Christian feels another Christian has misinterpreted scripture they will counter it.

Btw Tidal is a Christian but doesn't like studying the Bible.

 

[Kung Fu]

There are literally thousands of denominations in Christendom with different beliefs and most of them misinterpret the Bible on many subjects. There is only one truth on those subjects so of course if a Christian feels another Christian has misinterpreted scripture they will counter it.

Btw Tidal is a Christian but doesn't like studying the Bible.

It's because the Bible is contradictory, which is the reason you have endless threads on here with Christians countering one another with only Bible verses. The OT and NT don't go together and then you have Paul which doesn't mesh well with what Jesus says in the NT. Then there's your point and the many different denominations. It only compounds the problem.To put it frankly it's a mess.

 

[phipps]

It's because the Bible is contradictory, which is the reason you have endless threads on here with Christians countering one another with only Bible verses. The OT and NT don't go together and then you have Paul which doesn't mesh well with what Jesus says in the NT. Then there's your point and the many different denominations. It only compounds the problem.To put it frankly it's a mess.

You're wrong, the Bible is not contradictory unless its misunderstood and people approach it already knowing they disagree with it. The Old Testament and New Testament go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. For example the prophecies of Jesus that were told in the Old Testament were fulfilled in the New Testament. Then there is end time prophecy especially in the book of Daniel that goes hand in hand with Revelation, there is also archaeological evidence that proves the Bible's authenticity etc.

Paul meshes very well with Christ's teaching. Not one thing Paul wrote contradicts Christ's teachings except for those who want them to or don't understand them.

The reason there are so many denominations is because there is the devil who has caused all this confusion within Christendom. Many Christians just believe what they are taught and preached to without studying the Bible for themselves and seeing if what they are being told is the truth of God's Word. Sadly many Christians don't understand and/or believe in doctrines that aren't even biblical.

The Bible is the true Word of God but none of us should think we can understand it just by ourselves without the Holy Spirit to guide us to understand its truth and a desire to obey God. The Bible says, "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14).

 

[Tidal]

Only among Christians will you see them countering a Bible verse with another Bible verse.

Yes, that's why we should first and foremost see what Jesus himself says, because he's the central core of Christianity and we can hear God himself speaking through him..
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)

If Jesus didn't cover specific issues, we can then turn to the rest of the New T to see what the early Christians had to say about it.
And of course we can always then look up stuff in the Old T that might be relevant.

 

[Tidal]

You're wrong to make guesses. If you don't understand something that doesn't mean you make things up as you go along. That is equivalent to lying.

People wouldn't have to guess what posters are talking about if they made things crystal clear in the first place instead of firing big blunderbusses of words at us..

 

[Tidal]

Btw Tidal is a Christian but doesn't like studying the Bible.

The Bible is now all inside my head, what need have I with "study"?..
It's like an Elvis fan who's got all words of his songs in his head, there's nothing more for him to learn.
Of course, there are still Christians who are on a learning path, and good luck to them in reaching the end of..

Jesus said "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you" (John 14:20)

 

[Kung Fu]

You're wrong, the Bible is not contradictory unless its misunderstood and people approach it already knowing they disagree with it. The Old Testament and New Testament go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. For example the prophecies of Jesus that were told in the Old Testament were fulfilled in the New Testament. Then there is end time prophecy especially in the book of Daniel that goes hand in hand with Revelation, there is also archaeological evidence that proves the Bible's authenticity etc.

Paul meshes very well with Christ's teaching. Not one thing Paul wrote contradicts Christ's writings except for those who want them to or don't understand them.

The reason there are so many denominations is because there is the devil who has caused all this confusion within Christendom. Many Christians just believe what is they are taught and preached to without studying the Bible for themselves and seeing if what they are being told is the truth. Sadly many Christians don't understand and/or believe in doctrines that aren't even biblical.

The Bible is the true Word of God but none of us should think we can understand it just by ourselves without the Holy Spirit to guide us to understand the truth of the Bible and a desire to obey God. The Bible says, "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14).

You don't see this among other religions. Since my time here I've only seen Christians counter one anothers verses with verses from the very same book the other person is quoting. And the reason for that is becaus of the contradictions. Mark says this, Jesus says, Moses says this, but Paul says this, and etc......

 

[Tidal]

..You don't see this among other religions..

What, quarelling? I hear Sunni and Shi'ite muslims don't get on at all well with each other, and even moderate and extremist muslims don't see eye to eye..