21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
That would presume that nothing happens on a spiritual level when you are born again. I think that interpretation is at odds with the Bible and the triune nature of man...Yeah people who say "I stopped being a christian", couldn't have truly been one in the first place.
It's as crazy as anybody saying "I stopped liking Elvis", because they could never have truly been an Elvis fan in the first place.
I mean, how can anybody in their right mind suddenly decide they don't like Jesus or Elvis?..
I have presented as much as I can in text without over-simplifying things. Andy’s video is still available for you (or anyone else) to consider. I found it very worthwhile anyway!So they were Christians..they had the Holy Spirit...where am I wrong then?
Luke 24 46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
I think I already tried to watch that one once...I have presented as much as I can in text without over-simplifying things. Andy’s video is still available for you (or anyone else) to consider. I found it very worthwhile anyway!
Salvation in the Holy writ is known as the blessed hope... so why would believers in what is written in the Holy writ call salvation the blessed assurance ?Tok you believe that a Christian cannot have any assurance of his salvation?
Sure..but what about 1Timothy 4:1?Those who believed were the disciples and they did not fall away, but those who believed not went back and walked with him no more
I wonder if this Is the ultimate hypothetical question.I think I already tried to watch that one once...
Can you answer this...if you no longer have faith...are you still saved...as in..the Spirit explicitly says that some will fall away from the faith?
I’ve told this before..I talked with a mormon woman who didn’t grow up mormon, she was a baptist....but became a mormon after they came to her door. She read their book to try to refute them and ended up believing their book...she taught her kids and her grandkids the mormon faith. One could say that she wasn’t a real ChristIan..however, who’s faith are people falling away from in 1 Timothy 4:1?I wonder if this Is the ultimate hypothetical question.
Whilst we have a number of differences, I recognise that you believe the Gospel. Do you think anything could persuade you to deny Jesus? I don’t think the Holy Spirit in me would let me.
Sue Monk Kidd, an introspective woman, gives a revealing description of her spiritual transformation in her book God’s Joyful Surprise: Finding Yourself Loved. She shares how she suffered a deep hollowness and spiritual hunger for many years even though she was very active in her Baptist church. She sums up her feelings:There’s a bulb of truth buried in the human soul [not just Christian] that’s “only God” … the soul is more than something to win or save. It’s the seat and repository of the inner Divine, the God-image, the truest part of us. (emphasis mine)
Ironically, a Sunday school co-worker handed her a book by Thomas Merton, telling her she needed to read it. Once Monk Kidd read it, her life changed dramatically.Maybe we sense we-re disconnected from God somehow. He becomes superfluous to the business at hand. He lives on the periphery so long we begin to think that is where He belongs. Anything else seems unsophisticated or fanatical.
you're assuming this lady was saved just because she attended some baptist church, then lost her salvation when she converted to mormonism. Which make more sense, she was never saved or she lost it and can never get it back? Hypothetically, this lady converted back to being a Baptist, then what? Was she saved, lost it, then got it back?I’ve told this before..I talked with a mormon woman who didn’t grow up mormon, she was a baptist....but became a mormon after they came to her door. She read their book to try to refute them and ended up believing their book...she taught her kids and her grandkids the mormon faith. One could say that she wasn’t a real ChristIan..however, who’s faith are people falling away from in 1 Timothy 4:1?
Doesn’t seem like she will convert back. The mormon lady I talked to didn’t either. We can only go by what the women in question said. Apparently people know that Sue Mon Kidd..you're assuming this lady was saved just because she attended some baptist church, then lost her salvation when she converted to mormonism. Which make more sense, she was never saved or she lost it and can never get it back? Hypothetically, this lady converted back to being a Baptist, then what? Was she saved, lost it, then got it back?
You're hypothetically assuming all Christians are saved, like this baptist lady. Clearly you cannot see anyone else's faith beside your own.Doesn’t seem like she will convert back. The mormon lady I talked to didn’t either. We can only go by what the women in question said. Apparently people know that Sue Mon Kidd..
The Bible says you can fall away from the faith..
I don’t do hypotheticals, sorry.