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Why Israel is Losing the PR War
An analysis that might benefit AIPAC and pro-Israel activists.
There are broadly speaking two possible types of thinking. We can revise our beliefs in accordance with facts, so that our beliefs become more or less correct explanations of reality. Or we can explain reality in accordance with our beliefs, taking a fixed position and clinging to it, explaining away anything which doesn't fit with our internal model of things. The first process is Reasoning, the latter is Rationalization.

You have the fixed belief that everything that Israel does is right because you believe that the Bible says so. Hence you are incapable of criticizing Israel in any way, even when the facts clearly show that criticism is merited. Therefore you are not engaging in Reasoning, but rather Rationalization.
 

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There are broadly speaking two possible types of thinking. We can revise our beliefs in accordance with facts, so that our beliefs become more or less correct explanations of reality. Or we can explain reality in accordance with our beliefs, taking a fixed position and clinging to it, explaining away anything which doesn't fit with our internal model of things. The first process is Reasoning, the latter is Rationalization.

You have the fixed belief that everything that Israel does is right because you believe that the Bible says so. Hence you are incapable of criticizing Israel in any way, even when the facts clearly show that criticism is merited. Therefore you are not engaging in Reasoning, but rather Rationalization.
I don’t say they do everything right..but its sort of like having trump in office..he’s so lied about and smeared..its hard to know what the actual truth is anymore.
The Bible says that in the end times...all nations will be against Israel..I can totally see it...they can’t do any right in so many people’s eyes.
 

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“If Israel really annexes the West Bank in July, it would lead to a massive conflict with the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan,” King Abdullah II said in an interview published by Der Spiegel.



Psalm 120 KJV

120 In my distress I cried unto the Lord, and he heard me.
2 Deliver my soul, O Lord, from lying lips, and from a deceitful tongue.
3 What shall be given unto thee? or what shall be done unto thee, thou false tongue?
4 Sharp arrows of the mighty, with coals of juniper.
5 Woe is me, that I sojourn in Mesech, that I dwell in the tents of Kedar!
6 My soul hath long dwelt with him that hateth peace.
7 I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.
 

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^^^ God is that true. The lying Israeli's pretend they want a two-state solution but all along the swindlers have been planning on annexation. They will not escape judgement.
Judgement from whom?
 

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Why Israel is Losing the PR War
An analysis that might benefit AIPAC and pro-Israel activists.
I think they're losing the 'PR War' because they lie through their teeth and anyone who pays attention, and has learned and grown to put bias to the side, knows it. When it comes to Israel and the lies they spout there's 2 kinds of people. 1. The people who believe and then regurgitate those lies. AKA 'useful idiots' 2. People who call them out on their lies. In biblical times this type of people would have been called meshugga, mamzer, demon posessed , demon posessed Samaritan, drunkard, glutton etc. These days they just brand folk who call their lies out 'anti semite' or 'self hating Jew' . What makes the 'anti semite' slur sickening is that if you're the right kind of 'anti semite', such as John Hagee, then you'll be lauded by zionism and Israel.
 

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I don’t say they do everything right..but its sort of like having trump in office..he’s so lied about and smeared..its hard to know what the actual truth is anymore.
The Bible says that in the end times...all nations will be against Israel..I can totally see it...they can’t do any right in so many people’s eyes.
They don't do everything right, but apparently genocide, ethnic cleansing, occupation, apartheid are all things we can ignore.

Which nations are against Israel? There are more in favour, the ones that have the power to make a difference certainly.

You only hear anti-Israel propaganda on the internet via truthers. Mainstream media is definitely pro Israel. Second largest political lobby in the US is AIPAC, what does that tell you?

Stop pushing the lie that everyone is against Israel. Stop misappropriating scripture and look at the facts on the ground.

I will take the word of ex-Israeli politicians/soldiers and the real Jews over any pro Zionist Christian on the interwebz.
 

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They don't do everything right, but apparently genocide, ethnic cleansing, occupation, apartheid are all things we can ignore.

Which nations are against Israel? There are more in favour, the ones that have the power to make a difference certainly.

You only hear anti-Israel propaganda on the internet via truthers. Mainstream media is definitely pro Israel. Second largest political lobby in the US is AIPAC, what does that tell you?

Stop pushing the lie that everyone is against Israel. Stop misappropriating scripture and look at the facts on the ground.

I will take the word of ex-Israeli politicians/soldiers and the real Jews over any pro Zionist Christian on the interwebz.
Ya...I don’t see them doing those things. They are more interested in a two state solution..splitting up their birthright and getting along with people who hate them and will never be satisfied with that.

Who’s all in favor do ya think? That’s the short list there..

You taking about the msn in America is pro Israel? I’m not sure they are but I don’t really watch the msm American media.

What scripture did I misappropriate?
I have looked at the facts...I remember the time when Arafat would send in those poor suicide bombers to take out Israeli’s...coward!! Not brave enough to do it himself. They were always trying to bomb the Jews and the world would just say...be nice to the Palestinians and get along with them. That had to be pretty hard. Especially with the tunneling to try to get into Israel and do a lot of damage to people that way too. How about the incendiary kites and flaming tires recently?


And anti semitism is on the rise..
 

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^The reality is that zionism was the 'father' of modern terrorism during the mandate years, . I don't say Israel, because there was no Israel during mandate years. I do agree that suicide bombings are evil in the same way as i think bombing helpless refugees and civilians is evil.

Kites and tyres? Hot dog those helicopter gunships and fighter jets don't stand a chance against that kind of arsenal.

There was a tv show in britain a couple of years back, dispatches i think, where a journalist visited Israel after hearing that Holocaust survivors were having to go out at night and pick up discarded fruit and veg from the markets because the Israeli government just didn't treat them the way they should have. The journo guy also managed to help a Holocaust survivor get some monies they were entitled to. Take that in for a moment...NO one in the Israeli government was helping these people yet they like to roll out the Holocaust for propaganda reasons and propaganda reasons only. Now that really is quite sickening
 

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Kites and tyres? Hot dog those helicopter gunships and fighter jets don't stand a chance against that kind of arsenal.
If you read...they did a lot of damage when they were set on fire and rolled and/or set down in Israel...it was very affective. Probably why Israel has to keep them separated the palestinians are out to get the Jews any way they can.
 

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Ya...I don’t see them doing those things. They are more interested in a two state solution..splitting up their birthright and getting along with people who hate them and will never be satisfied with that.

Who’s all in favor do ya think? That’s the short list there..

You taking about the msn in America is pro Israel? I’m not sure they are but I don’t really watch the msm American media.

What scripture did I misappropriate?
I have looked at the facts...I remember the time when Arafat would send in those poor suicide bombers to take out Israeli’s...coward!! Not brave enough to do it himself. They were always trying to bomb the Jews and the world would just say...be nice to the Palestinians and get along with them. That had to be pretty hard. Especially with the tunneling to try to get into Israel and do a lot of damage to people that way too. How about the incendiary kites and flaming tires recently?


And anti semitism is on the rise..
Lisa, I'm genuinely surprised you just wrote all that. I dont know whether to laugh or be upset that another person has been lost to religiously induced delusion. I wont say anymore to you here.
 

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Lisa, I'm genuinely surprised you just wrote all that. I dont know whether to laugh or be upset that another person has been lost to religiously induced delusion. I wont say anymore to you here.
Why does that surprise you?
 

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Should Israel? Should the United States? Should anyone? Who gets to decide that and what qualifies them?
The US and Israel haven’t threatened to wipe another country off the face of the earth..so ya I don’t think Iran should have them.
 

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The US and Israel haven’t threatened to wipe another country off the face of the earth..so ya I don’t think Iran should have them.
Right.. I forget you prefer double speak, flat out lies and plausible deniability. Silly me.
 
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