Coronavirus

[rainerann]

If the average person not using a mask properly won't be disastrous, can't the case also be made, that not wearing them at all also wouldn't be a disaster?

Yes, technically it could, which is why it would be nice to start seeing some more information on how this is traveling by air. It is understandable to feel frustrated by the information that is being given. I feel frustrated by it myself, but I do know it is going to hurt anything to reuse a mask. How it will help specifically, I don't entirely know. If I had my way, that would be the first area of focus.

Literally, @justjess has said more about this in this thread than I have really even seen anywhere else. I took a screenshot of the numbers the other day because most of the northeast is requiring a mask. In comparison, I think Georgia and Florida are as well, but it seems they are more complacent than the north is, so I'm basically determined at this point to know for myself one way or the other by watching their numbers. I don't know that I expect anything to be published about this any time soon, but I would hope I would be wrong about this.

It is totally frustrating that this is such a loose end right now in a discussion like this.

 

[justjess]

Yes, technically it could, which is why it would be nice to start seeing some more information on how this is traveling by air. It is understandable to feel frustrated by the information that is being given. I feel frustrated by it myself, but I do know it is going to hurt anything to reuse a mask. How it will help specifically, I don't entirely know. If I had my way, that would be the first area of focus.

Literally, @justjess has said more about this in this thread than I have really even seen anywhere else. I took a screenshot of the numbers the other day because most of the northeast is requiring a mask. In comparison, I think Georgia and Florida are as well, but it seems they are more complacent than the north is, so I'm basically determined at this point to know for myself one way or the other by watching their numbers. I don't know that I expect anything to be published about this any time soon, but I would hope I would be wrong about this.

It is totally frustrating that this is such a loose end right now in a discussion like this.

If your looking at world health ometers some of the states now have their own pages, they have the states daily totals put out in little graphs which makes it a lot easier to track. Hopefully they will get them up for other states too. For now you can look at NJ if you’d like. There stay at home order was given March 9th, masks became mandatory April 8th, look at the graph yourself and see the trend.specifically the graph for daily new cases.

Now... there can be other explanations for this. The virus may have finally started to run through all its potential victims, the weather might have changed (its still cold out here so idk but possible), better cleaning of stores may have started, they might be doing less testing (I’m tracking this seperately because it isn’t being tracked anywhere)... idk. But taken together with similar trends in other states, plus Austria’s experience.. it’s something to look at.

I hope I’m right. Because I’d much rather wear a mask and be able to get on with my life then have the whole world shut down and every goal I have put Indefinitely on hold.

 

[Kung Fu]

Do people believe this virus is as bad as they say it is? In Canada the majority of the deaths, 90%, has come from the elderly in long term care homes. And for all I know they could have died from a cold.

I don't know the whole story but I sure don't believe the governments side to this is the whole truth.

 

[Aero]

Yes, technically it could, which is why it would be nice to start seeing some more information on how this is traveling by air. It is understandable to feel frustrated by the information that is being given. I feel frustrated by it myself, but I do know it is going to hurt anything to reuse a mask. How it will help specifically, I don't entirely know. If I had my way, that would be the first area of focus.

Literally, @justjess has said more about this in this thread than I have really even seen anywhere else. I took a screenshot of the numbers the other day because most of the northeast is requiring a mask. In comparison, I think Georgia and Florida are as well, but it seems they are more complacent than the north is, so I'm basically determined at this point to know for myself one way or the other by watching their numbers. I don't know that I expect anything to be published about this any time soon, but I would hope I would be wrong about this.

It is totally frustrating that this is such a loose end right now in a discussion like this.

What you see as a loose end I see as clear evidence we are being punked. Like, let's not kid ourselves. The mask craze isn't really about safety, it's about corporate liability. Meaning no business is going to let themselves get sued over it.

I've looked at some of the numbers, and I wonder if you might be only looking for the information that confirms what you believe. There is no clear pattern of masks making any difference across the board. Maybe there are some specific cases where the COVID cases dropped, but that could be due to many other factors.

In Ohio, there haven't been any changes. We have been through every stage of the plan at this point. At first, we did nothing, then they closed businesses, now we have to wear masks. In every stage, the number of new cases has risen at a pretty consistent rate.

 

[rainerann]

If your looking at world health ometers some of the states now have their own pages, they have the states daily totals put out in little graphs which makes it a lot easier to track. Hopefully they will get them up for other states too. For now you can look at NJ if you’d like. There stay at home order was given March 9th, masks became mandatory April 8th, look at the graph yourself and see the trend.specifically the graph for daily new cases.

Now... there can be other explanations for this. The virus may have finally started to run through all its potential victims, the weather might have changed (its still cold out here so idk but possible), better cleaning of stores may have started, they might be doing less testing (I’m tracking this seperately because it isn’t being tracked anywhere)... idk. But taken together with similar trends in other states, plus Austria’s experience.. it’s something to look at.

I hope I’m right. Because I’d much rather wear a mask and be able to get on with my life then have the whole world shut down and every goal I have put Indefinitely on hold.

I knew the states had their own pages, but I didn't know the graphs. I will have to look more closely at that.

I liked that they were separating the cities within the state's page. I am also watching Austin, Texas because they require masks and seem to be compliant. They also have a low number of cases and in theory, if masks are effective, this should remain low and they should be one of the first cities to report no new cases over the course of a couple of weeks just like Iceland has.

Technically, even though I am still iffy about China's numbers, wearing masks is an automatic thing for everything contagious over there. Maybe their numbers have some legitimacy and masks are beneficial.

I would actually like to see some evidence this is helpful too because it really seems like the easiest solution to this situation. Wearing a mask is really a mild inconvenience.

 

[rainerann]

What you see as a loose end I see as clear evidence we are being punked. Like, let's not kid ourselves. The mask craze isn't really about safety, it's about corporate liability. Meaning no business is going to let themselves get sued over it.

I've looked at some of the numbers, and I wonder if you might be only looking for the information that confirms what you believe. There is no clear pattern of masks making any difference across the board. Maybe there are some specific cases where the COVID cases dropped, but that could be due to many other factors.

In Ohio, there haven't been any changes. We have been through every stage of the plan at this point. At first, we did nothing, then they closed businesses, now we have to wear masks. In every stage, the number of new cases has risen at a pretty consistent rate.

I think the mask craze was more about the public being uncertain about whether they should wear a mask. I don't think it really had anything to do with corporate liability. It really seems like more of a concession to give to the public because it seemed to make some people feel better to wear a mask rather than anything they ever planned to investigate further or really intend to ever study in order to determine a clear level of effectiveness.

People voluntarily jumped on the idea that masks might be helpful before anyone was telling them to wear them. When did Ohio start requiring masks?

 

[justjess]

I think the mask craze was more about the public being uncertain about whether they should wear a mask. I don't think it really had anything to do with corporate liability. It really seems like more of a concession to give to the public because it seemed to make some people feel better to wear a mask rather than anything they ever planned to investigate further or really intend to ever study in order to determine a clear level of effectiveness.

People voluntarily jumped on the idea that masks might be helpful before anyone was telling them to wear them. When did Ohio start requiring masks?

They were required for one day before the governor changed his mind. April 27th.

 

[Aero]

I think the mask craze was more about the public being uncertain about whether they should wear a mask. I don't think it really had anything to do with corporate liability. It really seems like more of a concession to give to the public because it seemed to make some people feel better to wear a mask rather than anything they ever planned to investigate further or really intend to ever study in order to determine a clear level of effectiveness.

People voluntarily jumped on the idea that masks might be helpful before anyone was telling them to wear them. When did Ohio start requiring masks?

Yes, and how often does the public get concessions? We have had to fight tooth and nail to stop companies from poisoning us with their products, but all of a sudden they are on board with the mask mandate? That's not funny at all? Not a bit ironic in the slightest? I find it very strange that the people who underfund safety and sanitation are having some true change of heart.

It's true a lot of people were wearing masks in Ohio before the mandate. That mandate which started May 2nd I believe, also only requires workers to wear them. It's not very strict, and your right, it's a small inconvenience. All I'm trying to say is that the numbers were going to spike and go down regardless of what we did.

More importantly, if we have stopped the bleeding so to speak than we should rejoice. And start easing up on the restrictions. Like if the mask works fine, I'll wear the mask. That fact shouldn't lead to more restrictions though.

 

[Maes17]

Walked into gas station for lunch today to grab me a couple monsters and a powerade.

I was the only one without a mask. The looks I got. I felt like a criminal. I was expecting to walk out and have apd waiting out to beat me rodney king style. It was awkward af today

 

[Lisa]

 

[Lisa]

Walked into gas station for lunch today to grab me a couple monsters and a powerade.

I was the only one without a mask. The looks I got. I felt like a criminal. I was expecting to walk out and have apd waiting out to beat me rodney king style. It was awkward af today

Sorry to hear that. It creeps me out to see so many people wearing a mask when I walk in, so I don’t look at too many of them. I’m waiting to see if someone comes up to me and says anything about how I‘m not wearing one...no one has so far.

 

[Helioform]

*golf clap*

 

[rainerann]

Yes, and how often does the public get concessions? We have had to fight tooth and nail to stop companies from poisoning us with their products, but all of a sudden they are on board with the mask mandate? That's not funny at all? Not a bit ironic in the slightest? I find it very strange that the people who underfund safety and sanitation are having some true change of heart.

It's true a lot of people were wearing masks in Ohio before the mandate. That mandate which started May 2nd I believe, also only requires workers to wear them. It's not very strict, and your right, it's a small inconvenience. All I'm trying to say is that the numbers were going to spike and go down regardless of what we did.

More importantly, if we have stopped the bleeding so to speak than we should rejoice. And start easing up on the restrictions. Like if the mask works fine, I'll wear the mask. That fact shouldn't lead to more restrictions though.

hmm, in general, I agree about the getting concessions thing. Accommodating the public in this way when there isn't any real evidence of a great deal of concern for public health does create some confusion.

Although, when it comes to what you are seeing with the numbers in your area, if there is not a significant percentage of mask-wearing compliance, there isn't a real way to know whether they are effective or not. So the conclusions remain as an unknown rather than leading to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter what you do.

I would imagine that it would take an area 3 weeks of at least 70% mask compliance to see whether or not they changed the way the numbers appear to be trending. I would say most areas seem to be around 30% to 70% compliant right now and so this should be somewhat useful in speculating whether this makes a difference.

However, this is not the same thing as determining how far something travels by air or other more specific measurements that would swing a final decision in one direction or the other. So it is frustrating. Restrictions shouldn't be guesswork at this point.

 

[Lisa]

More to fear? They just keep rolling it out..

Mars rock samples could bring alien viruses to Earth after humans return from the Red Planet, warns Stanford professor

Stanford professor says Mars samples need to be treated like EBOLA

Stanford professor Scott Hubbard said in an interview that NASA must adopt 'planetary protection' to keep alien viruses from returning from the human Mars mission and contaminating Earth.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Hmmm..
Analysis of cellphone location data in high-security area of Wuhan virology lab that studied coronavirus in bats indicates it shutdown in October after a 'hazardous event'

New cellphone data analysis suggests shutdown at Wuhan virology lab

The report, which was based on commercially-available cellphone location data - indicates that there might've been a 'hazardous event' at China's Wuhan Institute of Virology in early October.

www.dailymail.co.uk

And finally?
Nail in the coffin for foreign travel: Airline bosses say Boris's 'devastating' lockdown plan to quarantine all UK arrivals for TWO WEEKS will 'kill off' industry as business chiefs claim it signals Britain is closed

Travellers will be quarantined for TWO WEEKS

From June, all arrivals in the UK - including returning Britons - will be quarantined for two weeks and face £1,000 fines or deportation if they fail to do so.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lisa]

True..or just wishful hoping?
'This is going to go away without a vaccine': Donald Trump shrugs off concerns about coronavirus and says country is going to 'transition to greatness and we're starting right now'

Donald Trump says coronavirus will go away without a vaccine

President Donald Trump on Friday predicted the coronavirus would 'go away without a vaccine' and vowed that America is going to 'transition to greatness.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

No, Donald some jobs aren’t coming back..
'They'll all be back': Trump tries to strike optimistic note as more than 20.5 million people lose jobs in April - the highest rate since the Great Depression - but his top economist says it will get even worse

Donald Trump says record official job losses is 'fully expected'

'It's totally expected, there's no surprise,

www.dailymail.co.uk

J.C. Penney 'will file for bankruptcy and plans to permanently close around 200 of its stores' - just days after Neiman Marcus and J.Crew also filed amid the economic fallout from the coronavirus pandemic

J.C. Penney 'will file for bankruptcy and plans to close 200 stores'

Sources have told Reuters that the Plano, Texas-based company, which employs nearly 85,000 people, could file for bankruptcy protection as early as next week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Awoken2]

 

[Lisa]

Riigghhtt...

Coronavirus: US death toll would have been halved had it acted 4 days sooner, study says

Coronavirus: US death toll would have been halved had it acted 4 days sooner, study says

The daily death toll from Covid-19 in the United States could have been more than halved if authorities had acted more swiftly in recommending self-isolation and the wearing of face masks, according to a new study.Several US states began issuing stay-at-home orders in late March, while federal...

finance.yahoo.com

 

[rainerann]

If 80% of Americans Wore Masks, COVID-19 Infections Would Plummet, New Study Says

There’s compelling evidence that Japan, Hong Kong, and other East Asian locales are doing it right and we should really, truly mask up—fast.

www.vanityfair.com

 

[Lurker]

If 80% of Americans Wore Masks, COVID-19 Infections Would Plummet, New Study Says

There’s compelling evidence that Japan, Hong Kong, and other East Asian locales are doing it right and we should really, truly mask up—fast.

www.vanityfair.com

Can I be part of the remaining 20%?

 

[justjess]

Can I be part of the remaining 20%?

I really don’t understand the resistance to this tbh. I hate being told what to do myself but the level of resistance regarding this matter seems to be disproprtional to the amount of inconvenience it actually causes imo.