Coronavirus

[The Zone]

In general, a lot of nurses are scared of this whole thing too. It is just a reality that some people are better under pressure than others. It is a shame but some of them do become nurses because you can make good money. There is ordered chaos in this environment usually. It isn't really like joining the military where there is always the potential of combat, so many nurses are not doing so well with the experience even when the numbers are low and they are being rotated with other nurses. They still don't want to go to the unit that has covid patients. Few people are volunteering for this.

Nurses in hospitals are often new too. The dream of many nurses is to get experience and go to an ambulatory department or something. Like I said before, it won't be such a bad thing if this whole experience changing the reality of healthcare in this country in some way. There are some serious things that need to change right now and things don't change when people are comfortable.

I understand that better. But volunteers are obviously not afraid to work in critical situations. So, clear the ones out who are scared and let them have a go. Anyone who has ever been to a hospital knows there are shit employees and good ones and that many are desensitized to things. There are far too may Doctors playing God these days. Anyhow, something seems off in New York and many think the numbers are inflated there from how things are being handled.

Yes, because these people don't do the scheduling. Everyone does it differently, but I would imagine there is another hospital nearby that has too many people and the people getting shorted at this hospital don't realize what is creating the imbalance. It has nothing to do with her level of education. Nurses and nurse practitioners don't do the scheduling. I would imagine they have a department that does this that a director or a manager is working with that is far removed from the realities of each unit.

You do know it is okay to on occasion not have an answer, right? You can imagine, as you put it all you want but that is mere speculation.

If scheduling is an issue, then I cannot imagine how more dire issues are being handled. I am well versed on who does what with scheduling and such, but I am also smart enough to realize if that is an issue, it is easily fixable and should happen during a crisis. Surely there is leadership in all hospitals. It sometimes feels like you want to make excuses for many things within the medical profession, but that is just my occasional opinion. But who is the auditor of rational thinking? That is why some are into the discussion of these important sidebars. There is no doubt in my mind that some hospitals have been set up to fail while on the surface seem as if they did it all by the book. Right now, the PTB's need dire numbers.

 

[rainerann]

I understand that better. But volunteers are obviously not afraid to work in critical situations. So, clear the ones out who are scared and let them have a go. Anyone who has ever been to a hospital knows there are shit employees and good ones and that many are desensitized to things. There are far too may Doctors playing God these days. Anyhow, something seems off in New York and many think the numbers are inflated there from how things are being handled.

You do know it is okay to on occasion not have an answer, right? You can imagine, as you put it all you want but that is mere speculation.

If scheduling is an issue, then I cannot imagine how more dire issues are being handled. I am well versed on who does what with scheduling and such, but I am also smart enough to realize if that is an issue, it is easily fixable and should happen during a crisis. Surely there is leadership in all hospitals. It sometimes feels like you want to make excuses for many things within the medical profession, but that is just my occasional opinion. But who is the auditor of rational thinking? That is why some are into the discussion of these important sidebars. There is no doubt in my mind that some hospitals have been set up to fail while on the surface seem as if they did it all by the book. Right now, the PTB's need dire numbers.

You are more than welcome to read through the reviews on some of these hospitals. They are available and there are many people posting reviews for new york hospitals since this whole thing started. You could get an inside look to build upon your suspicions.

I actually do have personal experience with something like this where there was a severe imbalance created with extra staff, but I am being vague about it. That is not the same thing as pretending to have an answer, but your comments are typical of what I would expect from you. Have a nice day.

 

[rainerann]

And sending nurses to New York from other places doesn't really mean they are ready and raring to go. It would depend on whether the hospital they are coming from was expected to meet a certain quota, so they recruited in order to meet a number rather than trying to determine how many were willing to go. When there is a number to meet, sometimes someone just taps you on the shoulder and says that you are a good candidate to go so you're going. So these people are going because it is now a job requirement rather than a desire to serve.

 

[justjess]

I think there are some very significant regional differences in interpretation going on here. With people living in hard hit areas seeing things one way, and people living in areas that have not been hit hard seeing things differently. That’s actually entirely normal.

 

[The Zone]

You are more than welcome to read through the reviews on some of these hospitals. They are available and there are many people posting reviews for new york hospitals since this whole thing started. You could get an inside look to build upon your suspicions.

I actually do have personal experience with something like this where there was a severe imbalance created with extra staff, but I am being vague about it. That is not the same thing as pretending to have an answer, but your comments are typical of what I would expect from you. Have a nice day.

You always get sensitive. I get that you are in the profession but I was simply being honest in saying you do seem to have an answer for everything mentioned in the thread. I am not trying to be a jerk, just stating allow others to have a take as well.

And sending nurses to New York from other places doesn't really mean they are ready and raring to go. It would depend on whether the hospital they are coming from was expected to meet a certain quota, so they recruited in order to meet a number rather than trying to determine how many were willing to go. When there is a number to meet, sometimes someone just taps you on the shoulder and says that you are a good candidate to go so you're going. So these people are going because it is now a job requirement rather than a desire to serve.

Who is talking about "sending," nurses anywhere? If they volunteered it shows a willingness to be ready to go. Volunteers. I mean... what does that word mean to you?

I think there are some very significant regional differences in interpretation going on here. With people living in hard hit areas seeing things one way, and people living in areas that have not been hit hard seeing things differently. That’s actually entirely normal.

I totally get that and can imagine culture shock from some good old girl from Georgia going to New York to work. What I am discussing or attempting to is why NY is a hotbed and if it can be prevented with better care. When I draw from local comparisons it does not mean I am not realizing it is different from one place to the next. It simply means that pockets of the country are highly affected and it begs the question as to why. There are some here and elsewhere who feel numbers are inflated and they need numbers to implement change. I wish this world was ll real. What we hear on MSM is trustworthy and that we are at home solely for our safety. I just cannot get on board with that personally. No knock on those who can but some trust what is going on as being accurate way too much for their own good. No worries, I was a temporary stop by in the thread for discussions fall off the pages here at breakneck speed.

 

[rainerann]

Who is talking about "sending," nurses anywhere? If they volunteered it shows a willingness to be ready to go. Volunteers. I mean... what does that word mean to you?

Volunteer could really mean volunteered by administration because the hospital was expected to send a certain number of nurses.

 

[justjess]

You always get sensitive. I get that you are in the profession but I was simply being honest in saying you do seem to have an answer for everything mentioned in the thread. I am not trying to be a jerk, just stating allow others to have a take as well.

Who is talking about "sending," nurses anywhere? If they volunteered it shows a willingness to be ready to go. Volunteers. I mean... what does that word mean to you?

I totally get that and can imagine culture shock from some good old girl from Georgia going to New York to work. What I am discussing or attempting to is why NY is a hotbed and if it can be prevented with better care. When I draw from local comparisons it does not mean I am not realizing it is different from one place to the next. It simply means that pockets of the country are highly affected and it begs the question as to why.

I was commenting generally. Not about your question regarding Georgia nurses.

I am obviously going to have a different perspective on the situation as a citizen of the northeast, in a region that’s been hit hard, with 90% of my friends and family living in the hardest hit areas of the world, and dozens of close relations/friends having contracted the virus - then someone living in Wyoming, that has barely any cases in their state, with no personal relations that have the virus, and no personal exposure to it.

I think the north east was hit so hard because they got the Italian strain of the virus, due to frequent travel between Europe and the north east being a reality. Add in high density in the region and the fact that it’s a commuter corridor where people engage in interstate travel on a daily basis for work. If you look at the numbers they are going up in order of where they geographically correspond on i95 spreading out from New York in both directions. But they are lower the further away you get even when they’re rising. Which is good. Thank god. But also explains the different takes on the current situation. People tend to believe what they experience themselves easier.

 

[rainerann]

The problem with nursing imbalances present is obviously fixable, but it existed before this situation and it will more than likely not be fixed in the midst of it.

 

[The Zone]

Volunteer could really mean volunteered by administration because the hospital was expected to send a certain number of nurses.

See, maybe. But I know volunteers firsthand where this does not apply. There are as many individuals doing so as hospitals asking them to and there is nothing in government making this necessary nor in hospital policies.

I was commenting generally. Not about your question regarding Georgia nurses.

I am obviously going to have a different perspective on the situation as a citizen of the northeast, in a region that’s been hit hard, with 90% of my friends and family living in the hardest hit areas of the world, and dozens of close relations/friends having contracted the virus - then someone living in Wyoming, that has barely any cases in their state, with no personal relations that have the virus, and no personal exposure to it.

I think the north east was hit so hard because they got the Italian strain of the virus, due to frequent travel between Europe and the north east being a reality. Add in high density in the region and the fact that it’s a commuter corridor where people engage in interstate travel on a daily basis for work. If you look at the numbers they are going up in order of where they geographically correspond on i95 spreading out from New York in both directions. But they are lower the further away you get even when they’re rising. Which is good. Thank god. But also explains the different takes on the current situation. People tend to believe what they experience themselves easier.

I am very well-traveled, familiar with New York and such, My critical thinking is far from regional but I can certainly see where some feel exactly as you mentioned. The point is the care in which people are getting and their choices. With hospitals not allowing family members in, patients can barely defend themselves and decisions made or coerced on their behalf. So allow me to rephrase and say, treatment is a concern more so than why so many have it in New York which is obvious from the many who live there.

I just think some are trying to force-fit this situation into a neat little box to better handle it. It is disturbing to think they may allow numbers to grow or allow some areas to be hurt more than others. I just see a few posters here not willing to see the big picture and have more faith in what they are being told than they should. No names mentioned or implied but this thing is not JUST about a virus. It is about the rules which will govern us henceforth. Some will give right in to continue a lifestyle while others are finally waking up in that they can still think on their feet and if for no other reason than their gut knows something is wrong here, This thing is way too convenient and scares the hell out of me how some do not seem to realize that while real much of what we are seeing is orchestrated.

 

[justjess]

I had this meme.. I’m going to try to find it. It is entirely possible to believe the virus is very real and deadly, be worried about the state of our economy, and be terrified about the loss of rights going on AT THE SAME TIME. I am deeply concerned about all three. I have no reason to doubt the virus is real when I have dozens of close relations who have it and know people who have died from it.

At the same time, the extra unemployment money? Not going out. Small businesses? Not receiving help. Food bank demand up 200% etc etc. those are very real problems that I am also very concerned about.

Being forced to stay at home and not use your own goddamn brain to determine personal risk. Also a problem.

There are a lot of balls in the air right now. I don’t think there’s a single person on this board that doesn’t realize that (well maybe one or two but not the ones you think).

Also: level of care in a public NYC hospital is fucking ridiculously shitty and embarrassing on a GOOD day.

 

[justjess]

 

[rainerann]

It sometimes feels like you want to make excuses for many things within the medical profession, but that is just my occasional opinion.

Yes, in general, I have had a very positive experience working in healthcare overall. I could go into all the things that being connected to this profession has given me over the years. I have absolutely no regrets about choosing to work in healthcare and there is clearly no denying that I see things from a half full perspective.

However, much of the time my comments about the medical profession that I have made are in response to the sensationalizing of something that is normal. So it isn't that I am trying to make excuses about something. I am just pointing out that comments about death certificates, staffing discrepancies, empty hospitals. These are all things being sensationalized by people who seem to be outside of healthcare.

If you are going to point out that you know people in healthcare who are saying these same things, I have also been saying these same things at the same time as pointing out how many comments are sensationalizing things that are somewhat normal. I have said that hospitals were empty several times, but because I am not using this comment as a means of proving that this is something of a false flag, it is overlooked and it seems to be assumed that I am still following msm narratives because I am not using my awareness of this reality to do this.

I have also said that this thing appears orchestrated several times, but because I am not using to prove an argument in favor of ending social distancing this is often overlooked. So I think that people might want to think critically, but even here when there is information that isn't coming from msm, the point seems to be about posting what someone wants to hear rather than critically thinking.

I do think there is value in realizing that some things contradicting the msm narrative don't deserve the hype and attention they are getting.

 

[DavidSon]

What do you make of this?

I don't think in this instance nurses or even doctors are to blame for mistreatment. The orders to eliminate normal breathing treatments before intubation were sent down by the CDC and higher ups. We've known this since day 1 of the pandemic. Maybe more doctors could be speaking out?

Doctors aren't healers. They're essentially overpaid drug-pushers. Nurses are an intermediary between doctor and patient. They're there to pass meds and monitor while updating the Dr. on changes to the conditions. Nurses are 100% subservient to the doctors and their treatment plan, they are not to blame for our broken medical system.

Everyone (at least nurses) knows the hospitals are a death trap. Get out as soon as you possibly can- set up home care or reschedule procedures- whatever it takes.

 

[UnderAlienControl]

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[UnderAlienControl]

"It was my understanding there would be no math..." I looked at this, but without a number-crunching, ritalin-munching math nerd to translate, hard to follow and then my hrain sorta began to bleed. Anyone care to take a crack at it and see what's up?:

MATH BOMBSHELL: Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is not the same as Infection Fatality Rate (IFR)… The coronavirus CFR in the USA is likely above 10% – NaturalNews.com

In an effort to try to claim the coronavirus is no more dangerous than the regular flu — even though covid-19 has already killed more Americans in the last 17 days than what the regular flu killed in an entire year — pandemic denialists are claiming the case fatality rate for the coronavirus is...

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[justjess]

"It was my understanding there would be no math..." I looked at this, but without a number-crunching, ritalin-munching math nerd to translate, hard to follow and then my hrain sorta began to bleed. Anyone care to take a crack at it and see what's up?:

MATH BOMBSHELL: Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is not the same as Infection Fatality Rate (IFR)… The coronavirus CFR in the USA is likely above 10% – NaturalNews.com

In an effort to try to claim the coronavirus is no more dangerous than the regular flu — even though covid-19 has already killed more Americans in the last 17 days than what the regular flu killed in an entire year — pandemic denialists are claiming the case fatality rate for the coronavirus is...

www.naturalnews.com

I am reserving my limited amount of patience for non-required mathematical equations for when I’ve compiled a week of testing data from the world reports to try to understand why numbers of infections vary so widely by day of week/region.

But I read the article and there is nothing jumping out at me that needs recalculation. It appears to be accurate and makes a convincing argument. I’d also add that many people who have symptomatic flu throughout the year aren’t included in the flu numbers either (further driving down the fatality rate) because it’s just the flu, no insurance, or insurance with costs plus if you don’t go to the dr within like 24 hours with the flu there’s nothing they can do for you anyway so why bother? I’ve had the flu almost every year and never bothered goingnto the dr for it.

I highly doubt there’s a comparable population of symptomatic corona patients not getting tested or seeking medical help.

 

[justjess]

Redirect Notice

So it begins. Reopening at 25% capacity. It’s going to be interesting following the numbers in these states in the coming weeks.

For what it’s worth I hope it’s over and there are not any increases in infections. Too many people dead all already.

Pretty much everywhere is starting to reopen next week.

Golf courses and fishing and construction etc opens back up here on Monday.

Limited construction and manufacturing are even opening back up in NY soon.

We will see. I hope they got this right.

 

[justjess]

I also want to note that allowing most businesses to reopen at severely reduced capacity might end up worse financially then keeping them closed entirely. Many many businesses operate on very narrow margins and as soon as you reopen at any capacity you know have additional costs that you didn’t have while closed.

 

[Cintra]

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Some of you guys will go nuts with the treatment so have fun guys

Are they just trying anything now?

 

[The Zone]

And we have a follow-up video -

Sara needs to smile every now and then) If any of you sleuths figure out where these videos were originally posted, LMK. Her FB page shows this - The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may be broken or expired, or you may not have permission to view this page. The videos and the doctor shown in the video and their videos seem to be removed yet people are putting them right back up.

The second video(which has the best info, save no doctor) shares that hospitals are earning more when they use ventilators and how they are saying pretty much all deaths are due to COVID. When nurses are sharing this, I give it a listen. When patients are reallocated ad a COVID patient, that is moola in the hospital's pockets and they earn more when that is on the death certificates which may aid in making them compliant to suggestions from above on how to handle things. They question why so many death trucks are at hospitals and may I ask when is the last time anyone heard and ambulance? I have seen maybe one since this all started. So, just gathering info and these gals have a good flow to their convo's and do not seem to have an agenda or are aware of conspiracy stuff. I wonder if they know what this kind of thing could do to their careers is the PTB's want to shush them.