Coronavirus

[rainerann]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

^ includes probable deaths as reported by NYC DOH, every day the governors numbers differ from the numbers being tracked, and that articles total numbers also differ.

I don’t have a problem with the probable deaths being included because the people had symptoms but because of stringent testing limits didn’t get a test. It’s not like they got hit by a bus (which my sister in law seriously tried to argue with me). But the governor for some reason doesn’t include them.

Oh I get you. I hadn’t even noticed that the article gave a lower number. Yeah I have no idea either.

 

[free2018]

Would access to meetings help? Virtual?

There are virtual meetings, but not everyone can get it.
Street people have spotty access to the online meetings.
Older people may have limited access as well.
Some people have no internet at home.

 

[rainerann]

There are virtual meetings, but not everyone can get it.
Street people have spotty access to the online meetings.
Older people may have limited access as well.
Some people have no internet at home.

I have thought about the challenges for people who do need meetings. Really, they should be able to have them, just on a smaller scale, but then would you have to shut the door on some people? That would also be unhelpful, but it seems like you should be able to organize smaller more frequent groups during this time.

 

[justjess]

There are virtual meetings, but not everyone can get it.
Street people have spotty access to the online meetings.
Older people may have limited access as well.
Some people have no internet at home.

Spotty as in no internet? You’d think they would be rolling out the obama phones..

A lot of social services are on ice right now and I worry about the long term consequences of that for our most vulnerable.. like really worry.

Most methadone/suboxone clinics moved to telehealth and limited report which is fine if your an established patient but a mess if your just starting to try to get help

Special education and disability services are on ice. They say we can do telehealth but the reality is most of our low functioning clients - it’s not appropriate for them. My client can barely pay attention when I’m standing right next to him holding his hand. And we are in skill acquisition so this is a really big set back

most CPS visits are happening virtually.. which, you just can’t tell what’s really going on through a video screen even more so then you can’t tell in person.

The collateral consequences here are piling up on the backs of our most needy.. from the disease itself, and from the measures being used to slow it.

 

[justjess]

I have thought about the challenges for people who do need meetings. Really, they should be able to have them, just on a smaller scale, but then would you have to shut the door on some people? That would also be unhelpful, but it seems like you should be able to organize smaller more frequent groups during this time.

Well.. idk. I literally got nothing. I know someone who’s been developing an app for that for the last year (different reasons, being able to log in at 3am, no transportation, etc) and it should be done soon..

Some places are using zoom now

But if u don’t have internet none of that helps.

Hopefully some physical meetings resume in the next couple weeks at reduced occupancy but your right, if you had to turn people away that might cause more harm then good. Anything that runs on social service funds or donations has a rough road ahead imo. These meetings have to be held somewhere and if those places don’t have money to keep the lights on that’s a problem too.

 

[rainerann]

Well.. idk. I literally got nothing. I know someone who’s been developing an app for that for the last year (different reasons, being able to log in at 3am, no transportation, etc) and it should be done soon..

Some places are using zoom now

But if u don’t have internet none of that helps.

Hopefully some physical meetings resume in the next couple weeks at reduced occupancy but your right, if you had to turn people away that might cause more harm then good. Anything that runs on social service funds or donations has a rough road ahead imo. These meetings have to be held somewhere and if those places don’t have money to keep the lights on that’s a problem too.

yeah I would hate switching to online meetings as a substitute if I was just starting out. I feel like technology is almost like getting an ice cream cone when it comes to things like this. You can eat an ice cream cone and still be hungry for dinner.

It will be worse for people who are new to recovery because it is already overwhelming without being on camera basically. I hope they do find a way to resume meetings soon.

 

[justjess]

yeah I would hate switching to online meetings as a substitute if I was just starting out. I feel like technology is almost like getting an ice cream cone when it comes to things like this. You can eat an ice cream cone and still be hungry for dinner.

It will be worse for people who are new to recovery because it is already overwhelming without being on camera basically. I hope they do find a way to resume meetings soon.

For what it’s worth on the app you don’t have to be on camera. But I agree. Technology should be the back up, not the primary.

It’s okay to see my friends on fb, but I’d rather see them irl.

 

[free2018]

I have thought about the challenges for people who do need meetings. Really, they should be able to have them, just on a smaller scale, but then would you have to shut the door on some people? That would also be unhelpful, but it seems like you should be able to organize smaller more frequent groups during this time.

Yeah, it's a big challenge for brand new people. People were meeting locally in small groups outside and cops broke them up. Some people got a summons-- some people might have also been arrested. So what ended up happening is the face to face meetings went underground.

 

[free2018]

Spotty as in no internet? You’d think they would be rolling out the obama phones..

A lot of social services are on ice right now and I worry about the long term consequences of that for our most vulnerable.. like really worry.

Most methadone/suboxone clinics moved to telehealth and limited report which is fine if your an established patient but a mess if your just starting to try to get help

Special education and disability services are on ice. They say we can do telehealth but the reality is most of our low functioning clients - it’s not appropriate for them. My client can barely pay attention when I’m standing right next to him holding his hand. And we are in skill acquisition so this is a really big set back

most CPS visits are happening virtually.. which, you just can’t tell what’s really going on through a video screen even more so then you can’t tell in person.

The collateral consequences here are piling up on the backs of our most needy.. from the disease itself, and from the measures being used to slow it.

I think some street people could sort out online meetings, but I think that most people off the street would do an online meeting in a detox or a rehab center.
I looked up the stats earlier this week and about 3.5 million die from alcohol-related causes worldwide.
I saw a guy total a car about two weeks ago. His head was bleeding and the people from the other car had to tell him to lie down.
A lot of people are falling through the cracks.
I've heard of at least half a dozen strangers who have OD'ed in the last four weeks-- maybe more.

 

[justjess]

I think some street people could sort out online meetings, but I think that most people off the street would do an online meeting in a detox or a rehab center.
I looked up the stats earlier this week and about 3.5 million die from alcohol-related causes worldwide.
I've seen a guy total a car about two weeks ago. His head was bleeding and the people from the other car had to tell him to lie down.
A lot of people are falling through the cracks.
I've heard of at least half a dozen strangers who have OD'ed in the last four weeks-- maybe more.

Are you still down in Florida? Are detox’s and rehabs still taking people? I feel like they would need to but not enough beds on a good day..

I’ve seen a couple deaths on fb that I’m assuming were od’s too. Young, no cause given and I know the lifestyle they were in.. it’s unfortunate it’s always the same people falling through the cracks. I had hoped the lack of fentanyl would have made the overdose numbers go down..

 

[Hooligan69]

Where I live in Canada they're already talking about opening things up again but slowly and over a period of weeks or even months. It might be a long time before life is back to some semblance of normalcy. I'm already sick of being cooped up like a zoo animal.

 

[free2018]

Are you still down in Florida? Are detox’s and rehabs still taking people? I feel like they would need to but not enough beds on a good day..

I’ve seen a couple deaths on fb that I’m assuming were od’s too. Young, no cause given and I know the lifestyle they were in.. it’s unfortunate it’s always the same people falling through the cracks. I had hoped the lack of fentanyl would have made the overdose numbers go down..

I'm still in FLA.
Yeah, I think they are.
No, people will always get high if they want to get high.
Some neighbors are probably doing CM. Other neighbors are smoking lye all the time. People will get high.
Alcohol is an essential good and it's very easy to get fucked up at half the price.

 

[rainerann]

“
Those patients all tested negative for the virus at some point after recovering, but then tested positive again, some up to 70 days later, the doctors said. Many have done so over 50-60 days.

The prospect of people remaining positive for the virus, and therefore potentially infectious, is of international concern, as many countries seek to end lockdowns and resume economic activity as the spread of the virus slows. Currently, the globally recommended isolation period after exposure is 14 days. “

Recovered, almost: China's early patients unable to shed coronavirus

Dressed in a hazmat suit, two masks and a face shield, Du Mingjun knocked on the mahogany door of a flat in a suburban district of Wuhan on a recent morning.

www.reuters.com

 

[justjess]

I'm still in FLA.
Yeah, I think they are.
No, people will always get high if they want to get high.
Some neighbors are probably doing CM. Other neighbors are smoking lye all the time. People will get high.
Alcohol is an essential good and it's very easy to get fucked up at half the price.

I feel like the situation with drugs in Florida is just generally out of control. I have a lot of friends who moved down there to get clean and came back more fucked up then ever... recently a friend got shot in the face around Christmas and then at the beginning of March got ran over. I don’t even know if he survived tbh. Haven’t heard a word.. West palm. All over drugs.

I really do just wish drugs were smited off the face of earth or something. It’s the worst saddest thing ever..

@rainerann have they done any studies to see if these people 70 days out are still contagious? They told my uncle at the cdc testing site that 72 hours after no fever he’s not contagious anymore. It’s very confusing.

 

[Lisa]

Every Timmy on the internet gets told to go die, those aren't really death threats. She is too dumb for anyone to actually care.

The death threats sounded pretty bad actually..

 

[Lisa]

Do they ever sound good? No.

Haha..that’s true..but manama didn’t think she really got death threats.

 

[rainerann]

I feel like the situation with drugs in Florida is just generally out of control. I have a lot of friends who moved down there to get clean and came back more fucked up then ever... recently a friend got shot in the face around Christmas and then at the beginning of March got ran over. I don’t even know if he survived tbh. Haven’t heard a word.. West palm. All over drugs.

I really do just wish drugs were smited off the face of earth or something. It’s the worst saddest thing ever..

@rainerann have they done any studies to see if these people 70 days out are still contagious? They told my uncle at the cdc testing site that 72 hours after no fever he’s not contagious anymore. It’s very confusing.

So far, they can’t trace any new cases to contact with these long term cases, but they are all still under somewhat strict quarantine from what I can tell.

The one doctor points out that he is certain his patients weren’t reinfected because of how closely they have been monitored, so it seems like they are still waiting to find out if they are still contagious.

I would think that having no symptoms reduces the opportunity for transmission, but i was seeing today that this can bind to pollution particles and travel by air too. This would actually make sense since it seems to be blood borne in some ways.

I didn’t read the type of pollution but if it is carbon dioxide in the air, it would also explain the shortness of breath because it would interact in some way to carbon dioxide levels in the blood. How I couldn’t tell you, but this is definitely not a flu though that’s for sure.

Coronavirus detected on air pollution particles: report

Researchers in Italy have found that coronavirus was detected on particles of air pollution, the Guardian reported.The researchers collected outdoor air pollution samples at both urban and industri…

thehill.com

 

[thursdayafternoon]

“
Those patients all tested negative for the virus at some point after recovering, but then tested positive again, some up to 70 days later, the doctors said. Many have done so over 50-60 days.

The prospect of people remaining positive for the virus, and therefore potentially infectious, is of international concern, as many countries seek to end lockdowns and resume economic activity as the spread of the virus slows. Currently, the globally recommended isolation period after exposure is 14 days. “

Recovered, almost: China's early patients unable to shed coronavirus

Dressed in a hazmat suit, two masks and a face shield, Du Mingjun knocked on the mahogany door of a flat in a suburban district of Wuhan on a recent morning.

www.reuters.com

"China has not published precise figures for how many patients fall into this category."
#scamdemic

"But disclosures by Chinese hospitals to Reuters, as well as in other media reports, indicate there are at least dozens of such cases."

wow. run to the hills.

 

[JoChris]

First stage of getting out of quarantine for Western Australia and Queensland later this week. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/state-by-state-breakdown-of-coronavirus-restrictions/12186302

I am in QLD. I noticed that people were acting differently in the supermarket, not keeping their physical distance strictly like last week. I didn't feel too comfortable about that.

It looks like the Kiwis are on the same course. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121265447/coronavirus-australianew-zealand-bubble-could-start-more-quickly-than-we-think--peters

Of course if cases of COVID increase again that will reverse again immediately.

 

[Awoken2]

There is a very disturbing statistic revealed here, the whole thing is disturbing but nevertheless the USA is ranked 38th in the world for medical quality of care but is ranked number 1 in the world for the cost of that care.

As I've stated before, lab rats.