Coronavirus

[manama]

Lisa is that rare grandmother who all the grandchildren hate.

 

[VigCizMember]

Antibiotics LITERALLY means anti-bacterial.
Bacteria and viruses are NOT the same thing.

Common sense please.

Do you understand the difference between antibodies and antibiotics?

Foot in your mouth?

 

[rainerann]

Antibiotics LITERALLY means anti-bacterial.
Bacteria and viruses are NOT the same thing.

Common sense please.

They said antibodies, not antibiotics. The WHO just released a statement discouraging the concept of immunity passports because they are not sure if the presence of antibodies equals immunity.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-04-25/who-warns-against-coronavirus-immunity-passports-as-global-death-toll-nears-200-000

 

[justjess]

I thought the virus can stay in the air for hours though?

Isn’t your family home this weekend? Don’t you have bible studies or something to get to?

Heat and humidity are not ideal vectors for virus’s. Nor is open air where it dissipates more quickly. This is already pretty well known... which is why most places didn’t close down outside activities to begin with. Still some risk, but way less then in a crowded recycled air indoor situation.

This is really a question that has no final answer, but I think it is interesting that crimes committed outside the home are down so much. The social response to this is really fascinating because I would have initially assumed that a criminal committing a crime outside the home would be much more likely to rebel against a situation like this or see how they could use it to their advantage, but that doesn't seem to be what is happening. There is a long way to go before social motivations are understood I guess. Why do you think there are fewer reported crimes outside the home taking place?

Crime down 27% as Las Vegas deals with COVID-19 changes

Crime is down 27% overall as Las Vegas self-isolates during the coronavirus pandemic. Police said on Wednesday that violent crime is down 20%, property crime is down 28% and domestic violence is do…

www.8newsnow.com

well there is a shortage of street drugs for one.. no more fentanyl coming in and the stuff to make meth is sparse as well.

With that.. reduced crowds in stores makes for less opportunity to get away, increased mutual aid results in less need to commit crime. I’ve been pondering this myself as well.. that’s as far as I got so far.

Most criminally inclined people I know are responsibly sitting their asses on the couch.

Oh also.. you don’t break into people’s houses when they are home. It makes it an automatic violent felony with a way heavier sentence even if no violence was committed - and actually even if they aren’t home but it’s during a time when they should be it will be coded as such.

 

[rainerann]

Because the crimes have been moved indoors

That what I was thinking too because it said there was a 12% increase in calls made to a domestic violence shelter, but that is still interesting because it is like saying that the motivation for crime is almost universal or that someone who commits crimes outside the home are more likely to commit domestic violence.

Or that there are the same socioeconomic factors that contribute to domestic violence that contribute to robbery or other crimes. It is all very interesting.

 

[manama]

Do you understand the difference between antibodies and antibiotics?

Foot in your mouth?

Ah my mistake didn't read properly.

But that aside they aren't wrong. The virus causes the immune system to overreact, antibodies are what cause death in layman terms.

 

[justjess]

That what I was thinking too because it said there was a 12% increase in calls made to a domestic violence shelter, but that is still interesting because it is like saying that the motivation for crime is almost universal or that someone who commits crimes outside the home are more likely to commit domestic violence.

Or that there are the same socioeconomic factors that contribute to domestic violence that contribute to robbery or other crimes. It is all very interesting.

The increase in domestic violence isn’t really correlated with street crime though. The increase in domestic violence is because people are trapped inside in a high stress situation..

Most batterers aren’t street criminals.

And the increase in calls to the shelters doesn’t necessarily indicate an increase in incidence. It indicates an increase in people not wanting to live with their batterer anymore.. women stay with batterers because they are financially dependent on them or because they have found ways to reconcile and decrease the abuses impact on their lives - if you take the money piece away and leave them trapped in the same space 24/7 with no ability for temporary reprieve many more are going to get the motivation to leave then previously had it.

 

[rainerann]

well there is a shortage of street drugs for one.. no more fentanyl coming in and the stuff to make meth is sparse as well.

That really makes the situation even more interesting because you would think that an addict would be motivated to get drugs at all costs and would rebel against these conditions.

A shortage of street drugs during this time is also something of a strange and unexpected phenomenon, but I am very removed from this lifestyle and there is a lot I don't know about this anymore.

 

[rainerann]

The increase in domestic violence isn’t really correlated with street crime though. The increase in domestic violence is because people are trapped inside in a high stress situation..

Most batterers aren’t street criminals.

And the increase in calls to the shelters doesn’t necessarily indicate an increase in incidence. It indicates an increase in people not wanting to live with their batterer anymore.. women stay with batterers because they are financially dependent on them or because they have found ways to reconcile and decrease the abuses impactnon their lives - if you take the money piece away and leave them trapped in the same space 24/7 with no ability for temporary reprieve many more are going to get the motivation to leave then previously had it.

So would you say that more people who represent the general population are finding themselves prone to lashing out in ways they would not under normal conditions?

 

[justjess]

That really makes the situation even more interesting because you would think that an addict would be motivated to get drugs at all costs and would rebel against these conditions.

A shortage of street drugs during this time is also something of a strange and unexpected phenomenon, but I am very removed from this lifestyle and there is a lot I don't know about this anymore.

International supply chains have been disrupted. Most street drugs come in from elsewhere - fentanyl from China, cocaine from south and Central America, heroin from wherever. I’m not sure if there is a shortage of meth or if the price went up because the demand went up when everything else dried up. But the prices went up 300% from what I’m hearing.

From what I’m seeing there’s been an increase in black market sales of stuff like suboxone and methadone to compensate. Atleast for the dope.

So would you say that more people who represent the general population are finding themselves prone to lashing out in ways they would not under normal conditions?

Yes, plus more women have the motivation to leave rather then be stuck in the situation24/7 with no reprieve like work for temporary escape (their own employment or their abusers)

 

[Lisa]

Now the Germans..

'I want my life back': Germans protest against lockdown

'I want my life back': Germans protest against lockdown

HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/GERMANY-PROTESTS (PIX, TV):'I want my life back': Germans protest against lockdown

news.trust.org

 

[Lisa]

Lisa is that rare grandmother who all the grandchildren hate.

When I was going into the fifth grade, I found out I was getting the worst teacher that no one wanted. At the beginning of the year..I knew everyone was right..but by the end of the year I loved her...she was the best teacher!

 

[justjess]

Now the Germans..

'I want my life back': Germans protest against lockdown

'I want my life back': Germans protest against lockdown

HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/GERMANY-PROTESTS (PIX, TV):'I want my life back': Germans protest against lockdown

news.trust.org

It would serve protestors well to realize that even if ALL restrictions are lifted tomorrow they won’t “be getting their life back” for quite some time. They sound like petulant toddlers entirely detached from reality.

 

[justjess]

For what it’s worth - anecdotally, I am not hearing about a spike in child abuse. So that’s good.

 

[rainerann]

International supply chains have been disrupted. Most street drugs come in from elsewhere - fentanyl from China, cocaine from south and Central America, heroin from wherever. I’m not sure if there is a shortage of meth or if the price went up because the demand went up when everything else dried up. But the prices went up 300% from what I’m hearing.

From what I’m seeing there’s been an increase in black market sales of stuff like suboxone and methadone to compensate. Atleast for the dope.


Yes, plus more women have the motivation to leave rather then be stuck in the situation24/7 with no reprieve like work for temporary escape (their own employment or their abusers)

I wonder if this will lead to an addiction to something new or some other transference of addiction rather than a return to the same drugs when this is over. Or do you think it is possible that many people will decide to get clean instead?

 

[justjess]

I wonder if this will lead to an addiction to something new or some other transference of addiction rather than a return to the same drugs when this is over. Or do you think it is possible that many people will decide to get clean instead?

I wish I had the crystal ball which would tell me that.. idk. Could go either way. I’ve talked to some who seem determined not to go back, but personally I doubt whatever gains have been made will actually hold. We still have the systemic issues that drive drug abuse to deal with and they are only going to get worse once the final human and economic toll of this is revealed

 

[rainerann]

For what it’s worth - anecdotally, I am not hearing about a spike in child abuse. So that’s good.

Yeah, that is good to hear. I'm trying to put myself in their shoes. Like would this make it seem easier or harder to run away from home? Because if you don't have to be at school anymore, would it be easier to run off, or does this situation make it harder for kids in abusive homes?

 

[justjess]

Yeah, that is good to hear. I'm trying to put myself in their shoes. Like would this make it seem easier or harder to run away from home? Because if you don't have to be at school anymore, would it be easier to run off, or does this situation make it harder for kids in abusive homes?

Being trapped in a toxic home makes it harder for anyone - child or adult - dealing with it. And yes it would be harder to run away and would be harder to report because most reports come from collateral contacts (schools, drs, relatives)

I’m still in touch with and in groups with my former colleagues from both NJ and PA and there hasn’t been any rumblings about increases or consequences from the shut in yet. Other then neglect pieces due to lack of money.. and I was really worried about it so that is good news as far as I’m concerned.

Unless it just means less is being reported and that would be very bad..

 

[justjess]

the drug world is turned upside down right now, the long term implications of this will be interesting. I bet we will see more health complications as supply decreases and people begin using even more adulterants to stretch it out.

I’ve heard the same... I wonder how many will just turn to alcohol honestly? Or weed? That’s my most optimistic outlook but I know it’s not likely.

 

[Awoken2]

the drug world is turned upside down right now, the long term implications of this will be interesting. I bet we will see more complications as supply decreases and people begin using even more adulterants to stretch it out.

Don't be silly, nows the perfect time to grow your own stash of mental bud. There won't be any cops around to bust you as they're all busy ensuring every soft bastard is standing far enough away from eachother and stop and searching people for suspected breaches of toilet roll allowances.