You're still propping up your strawman argument of "predestination", even after being shown for your own benefit. That makes you incorrigible, i.e. someone who refuses to learn from his mistakes.
Who brought up predestination?
You. Does it have any place in anything that's been personally shared? No. Is anything that has been personally shared based upon the doctrines of Christianity or Islam? No. Christianity and Islam are simply two evil organized religions which use and abuse God's Name and don't listen to or abide by what is in either the Bible or the Quran.
You're still contradicting yourself, only you are blinded to it by your own arrogance/ignorance, including the ignorance of your own arrogance (and hypocrisy).
How could there be perfect karma without punishment? What punishment would
PREVENT the crimes of adultery or of murder? Or mass murder? How long should an unrepentant habitual criminal be allowed to wreak havoc over others before they're destroyed completely
FOR THE GOOD OF EVERYONE CONCERNED?
The real reason for human life on planet Earth is for each of us to learn how to be good. This all started thousands of years ago, when Lucifer organized and led a coup attempt to seize control of the Universe. He managed to recruit a third of the inhabitants of the Morning Star (angels) into his army, using
LIES to
CONvince them.
Revelation 12:3-4 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
12:4 And his tale (of lies -
John 8:35) drew the third part of the "Stars" (
ch. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon stood before the woman (Israel) which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Christ - second coming).
Lucifer's lies were unprecedented, which is why they took the weaker-willed angels by surprise. No one on the Morning Star had
EVER lied before Lucifer invented it.
John 8:35-36 (8:44-45 KJV)
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for
he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.
Lucifer's failed attempt to overthrow and murder God, so he could take God's Place as The King Ruler of the Universe, is a well-documented
FACT.
Isaiah 14:12-17
14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the Morning (Star)! [How] art thou cut down to the earth, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the North:
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like (take the Place of) The Most High.
14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the person that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
14:17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners?
The title Satan is Hebrew and means “the Opposer” (God's adversary). When Lucifer became darkness and evil, he became the d/evil-
LIAR, opposing everything that is truthful and good (
Matt. 19:17). The great red dragon, devil and Satan are therefore descriptive terms Lucifer
earned as a result of his
criminal actions. A dragon uses its tail/tale to draw its victims into its clutches, and everything that comes out of its mouth burns its victims. A
perfect description of lying Lucifer/Satan/the devil. He is also referred to as being a serpent, because everything that comes out of his mouth is poison.
And that's what started The War
Lucifer's coup attempt had to be put down by Prince Michael, known here on Earth by many names, including The Messiah/Christ, (the Anointed One/Heir to the Throne –
Dan. 10:21,
Dan.12:1-4,
Col. 1:14-15,
Rev. 5:1-9), and His Army, the heavenly host. When the rebellion against God failed and the war ended 6000 years ago, Lucifer and his followers were banished from heaven
to the Earth for their
TREASON against God.
Revelation 12:7-9
12:7 And there
was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the earth, and his angels (you -
Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (
Matthew 25:41).
Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said,
Ye know not what kind of spirit ye are of (
Rev. 12:7-9;
Matt. 8:22).
Matthew 7:11
If ye then, BEING EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him?
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into Everlasting Fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels (
YOU that do not
DO God's Will):
The Prison-Reform School We Call Earth (Hell really)
Not executing Lucifer and his angels, outright, created quite a difficult situation. After making a study of the situation, God and the elders of the Morning Star decided to create a prison reform-school, far enough away, where, for the chosen period, they could safely try to teach Lucifer and his angels to be good, whereupon they could come home (
Deut. 28:1,
Rev. 2:28,
Sura 29:6).
Lucifer and his angels (those who fought with Lucifer against God) had to be taught to keep the twelve laws of heaven;
THE TWELVE COMMANDMENTS; ten of which were given to Moses on Mount Sinai (
Exodus 20:1-17), and the eleventh and twelfth, which were given later-on, by Jesus; one of which God demonstrated and still demonstrates, i.e. “love your enemies into being good” (
Matt. 5:43-48).
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in Our image,
and teach him to be like Us (i.e. teach him to be good instead of sinful/evil): and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Every one of the
convicts accepted God's most
gracious and
merciful offer to be rehabilitated inside human-animal bodies, except for Lucifer/Iblis, who
arrogantly refused to submit to human limitations. Lucifer/Satan/Iblis then asked God for a stay of execution until The Day (
Mal. 4). God granted Lucifer's request, to use him to test the rest of us to determine whether we were learning our lessons, or even paying attention.
That is why Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (the devil, serpent, red-dragon) is still so powerful, and why we
NEED God's guidance and help to “slay the dragon”, i.e. learn to stop listening to and getting poisoned and burned by Satan's seductive voice and smooth-sounding
LIES.
The Testing Process
Lucifer/Satan/Iblis regards the rest of us as traitors to himself for our decision to submit to the re-education program, and has vowed to do everything within his power and to attack us from every conceivable angle (
Eph. 6:12-18), to keep us from learning what we
NEED to learn, and doing what we need to
DO, to be able to go home. That is why he is now
our worst enemy.
Sura 7:11-18
7:11. It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the (fallen) angels submit to Adam (human limitations), and you submitted (
Luke 9:55); not so Iblis (Lucifer); he refused to be of you who submitted.
7:12. ("I AM") said: "What prevented thee from submitting when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire (energy), and him from clay."
7:13. ("I AM") said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."
7:14. He said: "Give me respite till the Day they are raised up."
7:15. ("I AM") said: "Be thou among those who have respite."
7:16. He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of The Way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on Thy Straight Way:
7:17. "Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: nor wilt Thou find, in MOST of them, gratitude (for Thy mercies)."
7:18. ("I AM") said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell-Fire will I fill with you all (
Matt. 8:22).
Sura 17:61-65
17:61. Behold! We said to the (fallen) angels: "Submit unto Adam (man)": you submitted (
Luke 9:55) except Iblis (Lucifer): he said, "Shall I submit to one whom Thou didst create from clay?"
17:62. He said: "Seest Thou? This is the one (Adamic man) whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgment, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway - all but a few (
Rev. 14:3)!"
17:63. ("I AM") said: "Go thy way if any of them follow thee, verily Hell-Fire will be the recompense of you (all)- an ample recompense (
Matt. 8:22).
17:64. "Lead to destruction those whom thou canst among them, with thy (seductive) voice; make assaults on them with thy cavalry and thy infantry; mutually share with them wealth and children; and make promises to them." But Satan promises you nothing but deceit.
17:65. "As for My servants, no authority shalt thou have over them:" enough is thy Lord for a Disposer of affairs (
John 11:25).
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her,
I am the resurrection, and the Life: he that believeth me (NOT Lucifer's lies), though he were "Dead" (under God's death sentence for treason -
Rev. 12:7-9;
Matt. 8:22;
Luke 9:55),
yet shall he Live (be pardoned):
Anyone who is still under the
mistaken impression that there are "good people" here on Earth is in store for a very rude awakening soon, as billions are going to begin murdering each other over food and water. This isn't decades away, it is only
MONTHS away. Pretending that there won't be a Judgment Day, and that we won't all be judge according to our works, will
NEVER keep it from happening.
Those who, after 6000 years on Earth/Hell and many human lifetimes, refuse to repent of their selfish,
evil ways will find themselves in
The Fire on Judgment Day. Perfect Karma/Divine Justice (
Gal. 6:7), because letting billions of hardened, unrepentant habitual criminals out into the Universe wouldn't be fair to anyone and thus will
NEVER be allowed to happen.
What The King Ruler of the Universe suggests is that each of us learn to keep His Commandments and
LIVE, because everyone who does otherwise
WILL die. There's no one else on this planet, other than His Messiah/Christ/Mahdi/Buddha that is qualified to suggest anything.
Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See,
I have set before thee this day
life and good, and
death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to
keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that]
I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for
He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.
Malachi 4
4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and
all the proud, yea, and
all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither
root nor
branch (nothing).
4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be
ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts.
4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for
all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (
Sura 43:61):
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse (see verse 4:1 for the details of the curse).