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Karlysymon

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My thoughts on the lock down are that it isn’t sustainable as a preventative method, depending on the country. Countries that can afford to give handouts to their citizens can drag this on for a really long time. Those that can’t would simply have to re-open for business otherwise, without employment/handouts, those sitting governments risk social unrest and toppling/overthrow. Those that can't could also be accused of spurring the spread if there is another wave after this.

Thunderian said:
It sure as hell should be. Most of the Western media are reporting China’s numbers as is, without any skepticism or caveats.

The numbers that the Western authorities are releasing are at least believable. Not so with China’s figures. They don’t match up to any other model of infections or deaths, but the media just blandly repeats them, while spending all their energy bitching about how mean Trump is being to them.

Shakespeare had it wrong. Kill the journalists first, then the lawyers.
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One possible reason for China’s under-reporting NOW could be that the authorities have already gotten what they wanted (draconian measures) out of the situation and they just want to re-open for business. On the other hand, many western governments haven’t yet pushed through their “Patriot Acts” (so to speak), so obviously this is going to drag for a while with increasing numbers until the draconian legislation is pushed through.
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The problem is that even though the numbers are low, so far they are showing almost a fifty/fifty chance of death versus recovery. This is still early on and this number will be updated as we progress. Hopefully, we will have a lot more people recovering the way it says China has had. :rolleyes:

Personally, I wasn't taking this so seriously when we were just getting numbers out of China, but I just don't see a whole lot of reason to question the numbers from New York or Italy.
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Have you seen this paper by Fauci & Co? It was in the video @Vixy posted on the last page.

In their Journal article, Li and colleagues provide a detailed clinical and epidemiologic description of the first 425 cases reported in the epicenter of the outbreak: the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, China. Although this information is critical in informing the appropriate response to this outbreak, as the authors point out, the study faces the limitation associated with reporting in real time the evolution of an emerging pathogen in its earliest stages. Nonetheless, a degree of clarity is emerging from this report. The median age of the patients was 59 years, with higher morbidity and mortality among the elderly and among those with coexisting conditions (similar to the situation with influenza); 56% of the patients were male. Of note, there were no cases in children younger than 15 years of age. Either children are less likely to become infected, which would have important epidemiologic implications, or their symptoms were so mild that their infection escaped detection, which has implications for the size of the denominator of total community infections.

On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

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See also @Orwell's mentor's post here.And yet a lockdown is still in effect.
Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.
On the very same page under: Classification of HCIDs

-airborne HCIDs are spread by respiratory droplets or aerosol transmission, in addition to contact routes of transmission
 
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Karlysymon said:
This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2
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...and there it is. As clear as day, which is what many of us have read from other doctors who ARE NOT on MSM, but evidently, they continually tell the masses the "sky is falling" and to be afraid... be very afraid of your neighbour and going outside because the virus will get you. I SMH, while finding what they've done, incredible! Or, as @Serveto would state, "it's bloody brilliant".
 
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Orwell's mentor said:
...and there it is. As clear as day, which is what many of us have read from other doctors who ARE NOT on MSM, but evidently, they continually tell the masses the "sky is falling" and to be afraid... be very afraid of your neighbour and going outside because the virus will get you. I SMH, while finding what they've done, incredible! Or, as @Serveto would state, "it's bloody brilliant".
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She gave me a good laugh, I'll admit to that!!
People in Italy interacting on the balconies knowing that the virus is airborne. Just one example.
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Lurking009 said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Huge line of cops forced to disperse girl's birthday party in LA

Footage from the incident taken in the Hyde Park area os Los Angeles shows the group of around 40 revelers refusing to comply with social distancing rules Saturday.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

The party goers are over-the-top stupid, but are the L.A. police somehow immune to CV? They show no concern for themselves being so close together and having physical contact with strangers.
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I think you will find that no less than half of modern society is over the top stupid. Now, they are trying to figure out a way to get to the other half, but when the stupes travel in herds, it is easy for even those with a wiser mind to get caught up in the zombie hordes.

On another note, people should consider non-smart TV's - https://www.dealnews.com/features/tv/smart-tv/

Four reasons not to buy smart TV's - https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-reasons-shouldnt-buy-smart-tv-anymore/

If you want privacy, stay the heck away from anything voice controlled. They not only can mimic your voice over time with the sampling but create comments, they can listen in, watch you and of course, file everything you ask of in their data gathering.
 
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The giant rats have migrated (upgraded?) from The Star to The Sun, to indulge in a bit of schadenfreude and public shaming.

www.thesun.co.uk

How greedy stockpilers face home invasion from ravenous rats, mice and ants

THINK you’re alone in lockdown? Greedy stockpilers may be unwittingly welcoming a grisly cast of creepy critters into their homes that are hungry and riddled with disease. Over just three wee…
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TDS Anonymous. Some say politicians and leaders do not matter and that they are the same side of a controlled coin yet they speak of said politicians all day. Just sayin'
 
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A friend has told me to tell you that they are only talked about all day by some to try and show people how many lies they tell us.....or should we just ignore that bit?

....I like this method....this could work ;)
 
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