Do the “elites” believe the Rapture is imminent?

Lisa

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You think your god can die eh.

Not much off a god.

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DL
Actually, He’s the best God. He died for us while we were still sinners..He took our punishment for sin upon Himself to save us from His righteous and just punishment for sin. Who does that? What world leader would die for people less then them to save them? I think we all know that answer..

Yet God did! Amazing! And the only catch..if you want to call it that is that you must believe in His only begotten Son to be saved. That’s all God requires of us in return for His sacrifice. Amazing love for His creation.
 
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Actually, He’s the best God. He died for us while we were still sinners..He took our punishment for sin upon Himself to save us from His righteous and just punishment for sin. Who does that? What world leader would die for people less then them to save them? I think we all know that answer..

Yet God did! Amazing! And the only catch..if you want to call it that is that you must believe in His only begotten Son to be saved. That’s all God requires of us in return for His sacrifice. Amazing love for His creation.
A dead god cannot save anyone and a sacrifice that does not stay dead is not a sacrifice.

That does not explain your satanic morals or you trying to have Jesus have the same.

You might consider reading your bible some time.

On Jesus dying for you.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.

You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh.

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DL
 

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A dead god cannot save anyone and a sacrifice that does not stay dead is not a sacrifice.

That does not explain your satanic morals or you trying to have Jesus have the same.

You might consider reading your bible some time.

On Jesus dying for you.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.

You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh.

Regards
DL
Why you keep trading your time in the hope of convincing Christians that black is white and up is down is beyond me? Do you have much success with this sort of polemic on other forums? Just curious...
 

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I do not adore a genocidal god.

Heathen tribes were running wild so of course God had to zap them to protect the ordinary decent people, he's not a wimpy lefty snowflake and nobody better mess with him..:p

"Lord, pour out your wrath upon the heathen that have not known you, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon your name" (Psalm 79:6)
 

Lisa

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A dead god cannot save anyone and a sacrifice that does not stay dead is not a sacrifice.

That does not explain your satanic morals or you trying to have Jesus have the same.

You might consider reading your bible some time.

On Jesus dying for you.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.

You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh.

Regards
DL
God is not dead...Jesus rose again on the third day and sits at the right hand of the Father.

I have read the Bible and studied it...but it says in black and white..
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-4‬ ‭
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.​

What ego? One must humble themselves to believe in the first place.

How is it evil to die for someone else? Isn’t that good? And isn’t it good if one believes and are saved?
Jesus, Himself says
John‬ ‭15:13‬ ‭
Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.


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Heathen tribes were running wild so of course God had to zap them to protect the ordinary decent people, he's not a wimpy lefty snowflake and nobody better mess with him..:p

"Lord, pour out your wrath upon the heathen that have not known you, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon your name" (Psalm 79:6)
Jesus said he came to cure the ill and not to save those who did not need saving.

Yahweh came and killed the ill en mass with genocide.

Do you see a difference in policies between Yahweh and Jesus? One good the other evil perhaps?

Which one would be used by a benevolent god and which by a satanic god?

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DL
 

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My father is greater than I.

You are too stupid for me to continue out thumping you here.

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DL
Someone has to be in charge...He is the Father..but they are still One...maybe you need this thread to understand it all? I’ve made it very simple...
 

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Jesus said he came to cure the ill and not to save those who did not need saving.
Yahweh came and killed the ill en mass with genocide.
Do you see a difference in policies between Yahweh and Jesus? One good the other evil perhaps?
Which one would be used by a benevolent god and which by a satanic god?

In God's eyes anybody who rejects Jesus DESERVES to be slaughtered because they're useless failed human beings, good for nothing. As I've said before he's not some wishy-washy bleeding heart social worker, that's why I like him...:p

"How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot....it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:29-31)
 

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In God's eyes anybody who rejects Jesus DESERVES to be slaughtered because they're useless failed human beings, good for nothing. As I've said before he's not some wishy-washy bleeding heart social worker, that's why I like him...:p

"How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot....it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:29-31)
God is about mercy...

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whomsoever believes on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.​


You should read the verses before it to get a clearer reason for why he said what he said in v.29
Hebrews‬ ‭10:26-27, 29‬ ‭
For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?​
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Or even better:

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves."

Matthew 10:16
Yep, it's a motif all throughout both "Old" and "New" Testaments.

The LORD sent fiery serpents among the people and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died.
Numbers 21:6

They always change their meaning every time they appear in the Bible, curious that.

"When Pharaoh speaks to you, saying, 'Work a miracle,' then you shall say to Aaron, 'Take your staff and throw it down before Pharaoh, that it may become a serpent.'"
Exodus 7:9

"Do not rejoice, O Philistia, all of you, Because the rod that struck you is broken; For from the serpent's root a viper will come out, And its fruit will be a flying serpent.
Isaiah 14:29

They will lick the dust like a serpent, Like reptiles of the earth They will come trembling out of their fortresses; To the LORD our God they will come in dread And they will be afraid before You.
Micah 7:17

Nor let us try the Lord, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the serpents.
1 Corinthians 10:9

"Though they hide on the summit of Carmel, I will search them out and take them from there; And though they conceal themselves from My sight on the floor of the sea, From there I will command the serpent and it will bite them.
Amos 9:3

An infamous verse:
they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
Mark 16:18

"Its sound moves along like a serpent; For they move on like an army And come to her as woodcutters with axes.
Jeremiah 46:22


There are millions of other references to serpents in the Bible, very intriguing. It was a very popular symbol in all ancient cultures, with as diverse meanings as the Bible's own diverse meanings of them.
 

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You have the perfect logo...."The Serpent"
Well, I have to had it to our resident gnostic clergyman, he is honest about what he stands for. It puts me in mind of the words from the old song by Bob Dylan, “Like a Rolling Stone”...

“You say you never compromise​
With the mystery tramp, but now you realize​
He's not selling any alibis​
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes​
And say do you want to make a deal?”​

In this case, the deal being offered is a main course gnostic deception, served with a garnish of bitter twisting of scripture and a side order of contempt. I’m happy to leave that deal where it is!
 
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