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Doesn't Italy have the 2nd oldest population in the world? I feel like I read that somewhere...

If so, it could also explain how detrimental the virus had hit them.
You are right, that is exactly the reason.
 
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We also need to stress that the vast majority of fatalities are of people who had comprised immune systems...that's not to say people who were healthy didn't die, but these numbers being thrown out don't tell the full story...

For instance there was an 18 year that died I think earlier this week, but a lot of news outlets failed to mention he had an underlying medical condition.


On top of that, this was the statement given by the officials at the hospital:

Professor Kiran Patel, Chief Medical Officer for University Hospitals Coventry and Warwickshire NHS Trust said:

“We can confirm that sadly a patient who was being treated for significant underlying health issues has passed away at University Hospital, Coventry. They had also tested for Covid-19 on the day before they died but this was not linked to their reason for dying.

This was not reported properly at all in mainstream media...
...and it wouldn't be because it would go against the mainstream narrative that's being presented. It's what this German doctor was talking about here: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/coronavirus.7000/post-282539
 

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...and it wouldn't be because it would go against the mainstream narrative that's being presented.
I’m not so sure that’s “going against the mainstream narrative”

That WAS the mainstream narrative up until a few days ago and still is in many ways. But when you tell the young and healthy “your at decreased risk” what they hear is “your at no risk” and they go about their business as usual - and Get sick, taking up hospitals resources others need more, and pass it to people who are not at decreased risk and will die.

If you understand adolescent and young adulthood brain development this would be a very clear mistake in messaging.
 

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Fascinating!

To me the 150 year divide in the medical community between the allopathic "germ theory" view of disease vs. a naturopathic theory of the body regulating itself says a lot about the greater conflict between those with money/power and those without. It's amazing how far apart we can be at a fundamental level of defining disease.

It makes sense that a virus, which is our cells own type of antibody replicated from our unique DNA/RNA, would not be communicable between human and animal. This must extend to human to human contact. Someone else's DNA signal shouldn't be recognized by our own immune system.

Helminths, protozoa, and bacteria of different types can be contagious, infectious agents. In the case of the yearly influenza (virus) outbreak there is clearly an infectious bacteria being spread that causes a viral response. I totally understand that pollutants, toxins, radio waves, vaccines, etc. bombarding the individual can trigger viral activity, but there has to be another pathogen spreading that's producing the same effect in thousands of people at the same time. I've seen symptoms of influenza spread in a nursing home- people being ambulated to hospitals with multiple sick workers too.

If influenza and coronavirus are part our own internal mechanisms, there must be an underlying bacteria/pathogen we aren't looking hard enough for.
Thought so too. We are all subjected to unhealthy conditions, which is the logical place to start any real investigation into why people are getting sick.

Look at the air we're forced to breathe, laced with metal and chemical pollutants, some of which are radioactive (e.g. strontium). Our public water supplies are often not just fluoridated, but some are spiked with cocktails of hundreds of other chemical additives. And then there's the food. GMO crops grown in chemically-poisoned soils, watered with acid rain and heavy metals, before being injected or sprayed with even more chemicals, or being irradiated. The same with beef, lamb, chicken, turkey and fish. Feed them poison, inject them with more poisons, inject more poisons into the butchered meat, and then wrap it in plastic.

Feeling sick? Go to the witch doctors. They have even more toxic chemicals they can prescribe to treat the symptoms, to go along with the ones they've already used in the vaccinations. It's a wonder everyone doesn't have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel already. We probably would if the torturous slow-kill wasn't so profitable

Pasteur's germ theory makes no sense, except to build an extremely lucrative business. Bechamp's terrain theory is much more logical (and scriptural/spiritual - a healthy spirit within maintains a healthy body), and also explains the one thing germ theory could never explain: Patient #1.
 

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Am I seriously supposed to believe that Boris Johnson and his minions, after a decade of austerity and crippling cuts to the NHS and public services, now cares about the safety of Brits? Am I supposed to buy the narrative that all this money being thrown at us (with no mention of its origin despite going on about our deficit for a decade) is for the greater good?

There is something fishy going on, that much is clear. What it is? I don't know. Some say 5g some say this is all being used to execute an economic crash...increase monitoring and tracking...etc.

I'm at a point where I acknowledge the dangers to people and I am of course doing my part to distance and be mindful of others, but I'm doing it whilst also questioning some of the info we are being fed...

In the same week, Brits were told this could last 18months then some other experts predicted 6 months?? All this disorientation is causing more panic and I'm not sure why governments haven't issued laws governing how media reports on issues like this...
 
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I’m not so sure that’s “going against the mainstream narrative”

That WAS the mainstream narrative up until a few days ago and still is in many ways. But when you tell the young and healthy “your at decreased risk” what they hear is “your at no risk” and they go about their business as usual - and Get sick, taking up hospitals resources others need more, and pass it to people who are not at decreased risk and will die.

If you understand adolescent and young adulthood brain development this would be a very clear mistake in messaging.
Yes, anyone can be at risk in catching the virus. However, as I said before, it's how much are they at risk, is real issue. News appears to create fear, and speaking to my friend who's the healthcare sector this morning, she admits she's been guilty of falling for the narrative too. However, when she goes for a walk and gets a breath of fresh air, she's able to step back and look at the bigger picture. Personally, I'm not looking at this through any veil of emotion or fear, as I see how people are becoming afraid of their neighbour. I'm looking for information that explains why this virus is surrounded by a cloak of fear. As I've mentioned before, we endured SARS and H1N1 and none of this took place, and stating this virus is "more dangerous" doesn't explain on why it would be more so than the others.

This is just my opinion, and I know we're all entitled to it.
 

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This virus is more dangerous because it is more contagious. Because people with no symptoms are contagious for two+ weeks without even realizing it. Because it lives on surfaces for up to 17 days (cdc study just published).

Just looking at the rapid exponential rise in numbers in countries that have instituted full lock downs I am not personally convinced this shit isn’t airborne tbh.
 

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Does the cruise ship report imply that viruses survive up to 17 days on surfaces?

Dr Julia Marcus: A CDC investigation of the cruise ship found evidence of viral RNA in cabins that hadn’t yet been cleaned. But to be clear, that just means the virus was detectable – not that it was viable or that contact with those services would have been able to infect someone. (Editor’s note: RNA, or ribonucleic acid, carries the virus’s genetic information.)
Have I already had coronavirus? How would I know and what should I do?
Dr Akiko Iwasaki: It just means that there are parts of the virus that still remain. The virus needs many other components to be intact. If you have bits and pieces of RNA, that’s not going to make a virus, you need an entire intact genome. Just because you had a little piece of RNA doesn’t mean that there’s an infection.
 

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How long can the virus survive on surfaces?

Marcus: The New England Journal of Medicine just published a study that tested how long the virus can remain stable on different kinds of surfaces within a controlled laboratory setting. They found that it was still detectable on copper for up to four hours, on cardboard for up to 24 hours, and on plastic and steel for up to 72 hours.
But it’s important to note that the amount of virus decreased rapidly over time on each of those surfaces. And so the risk of infection from touching them would probably decrease over time as well.


 

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Guys the virus is very real, people are clearly dying and contracting it but most of us, if exposed to it, will be okay...

We need to protect the vulnerable around us who are immune compromised...

Having said that, this is VC. It's our job to second guess anything fed to us by our leaders!
 

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I'm convinced I had it in December, london had a surge in 'the flu' around this time, right up until February.

It has been around for much longer than we think
 
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This virus is more dangerous because it is more contagious. Because people with no symptoms are contagious for two+ weeks without even realizing it. Because it lives on surfaces for up to 17 days (cdc study just published).

Just looking at the rapid exponential rise in numbers in countries that have instituted full lock downs I am not personally convinced this shit isn’t airborne tbh.
If it's more contagious, then it should be asked what factors are making it more contagious (i.e. environment, overall health, diet, etc.)? Interesting you bring up the CDC. After I posted this post here, the follow day, the numbers for the US doubled - fancy that. I posted the numbers above the link for that very reason. I did find a site that still has the numbers along the same cases as they were on the WHO and CDC's site and might post it later.

If you read some of the articles that Davidson has posted, you'll see that numbers for this virus aren't really accurate to begin with. They can list Coronavirus as being the cause, but as others have said, that doesn't necessarily means it's the reason for their sickness or death.
 

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This thing has to be airborne.
So hard to predict. A lot of tangibles.

Quarantine life is going good though lol.
My culinary skills are not up to par but I am learning
it’s airborne to the extent that aerosolized droplets can survive for around three hours from what I last read, which is a different sort of airborne precaution than something that can survive and be carried by dust floating around.

in either case, it is a situation of an object in motion will stay in motion unless a force acts upon it. Then it will fall to the ground or onto a surface. From this point, an airborne precaution spread by dust can be carried further if someone were to use a duster on a table or something, setting the virus in motion again.

or in this case, someone could touch the table and then reach for their sandwich spreading the droplets onto their food and taking a bite. This would complete the process of spreading this to another person. It spreads to another person, but once it makes contact with a surface, it cannot become airborne again even if it started out that way.

However, the dust particle could go out the front door and stay in motion until it reaches the neighbors yard who breathes this in while they are outside gardening. This doesn’t have the potential to do this, which is why social distancing is recommended.

Outside of sneezing, it is a basic droplet precaution, and people are going to get it by touching things and then touching your face. Droplet precaution is in some ways more controllable and in other ways it is not because you cant see whether a surface is contaminated before you come in contact with it. This can makes things difficult when you are out in a public place.
 

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If the above turns out to be true (I say 'if' because I cant confirm), it would not surprise me at all. I strongly feel the media and some 'experts' have been manufacturing a co-ordinated attack for another purpose besides CV. I'm not saying CV isn't real. The response to it has just been unreal.

And Fauci? He raises my creep-o-meter. Every time I see/hear him, nothing but major alarm bells go off. Can't prove anything, but he comes across like a snake.
That's the thing, there is division among the medical "experts." My problem is that we the public are only hearing from one side of the scientific community. Discussion outside the CDC mafia is being stifled.

BTW this was the original source, I think shared by @A Freeman: https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Updates are on the bottom of the page.

One article shows how the media would rather feed the narrative of fear and pandemonium over rational scientific analysis. This was from a former Israeli Health Ministry Chief: Lockdown Lunacy

"I can tell you that several days ago I heard with my own ears, after I was interviewed on the radio by Nissim Mishal, the deputy director of the Ministry of Health Prof. Itamar Grotto tell Mishal that I shouldn't be brought into studios. And last Friday, I was invited to the studio by Ayala Hasson. Some three days beforehand, they called me and ask not to go anywhere else, and then the day before they cancelled. And who did they replace me with on the program? The futurist David Passig, who told the people of Israel that in the best case scenario 40 million people would die, and in the worst case scenario 300 million people would die. That shows you how the media is only trumpeting hysteria. Because it was clear that if I was sitting next to him, I would only have told an amazed Israeli people that every year 17,000 Italians die of flu while in Israel only 126 dies of flue last year."
 

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March 25, 2020
  • German immunologist and toxicologist, Professor Stefan Hockertz, explains in a radio interview that Covid19 is no more dangerous than influenza (the flu), but that it is simply observed much more closely. More dangerous than the virus is the fear and panic created by the media and the „authoritarian reaction“ of many governments. Professor Hockertz also notes that most so-called „corona deaths“ have in fact died of other causes while also testing positive for coronaviruses. Hockertz believes that up to ten times more people than reported already had Covid19 but noticed nothing or very little.
  • The Argentinean virologist and biochemist Pablo Goldschmidt explains that Covid19 is no more dangerous than a bad cold or the flu. It is even possible that the Covid19 virus circulated already in earlier years, but wasn’t discovered because no one was looking for it. Dr. Goldschmidt speaks of a „global terror“ created by the media and politics. Every year, he says, three million newborns worldwide and 50,000 adults in the US alone die of pneumonia.
  • Professor Martin Exner, head of the Institute for Hygiene at the University of Bonn, explains in an interview why health personnel are currently under pressure, even though there has hardly been any increase in the number of patients in Germany so far: On the one hand, doctors and nurses who have tested positive have to be quarantined and are often hard to replace. On the other hand, nurses from neighbouring countries, who provide an important part of the care, are currently unable to enter the country due to closed borders.
  • Professor Julian Nida-Ruemelin, former German Minister of State for Culture and Professor of Ethics, points out that Covid19 poses no risk to the healthy general population and that extreme measures such as curfews are therefore not justified.
  • Using data from the cruise ship Diamond Princess, Stanford Professor John Ioannidis showed that the age-corrected lethality of Covid19 is between 0.025% and 0.625%, i.e. in the range of a strong cold or the flu. Moreover, a Japanese study showed that of all the test-positive passengers, and despite the high average age, 48% remained completely symptom-free; even among the 80-89 year olds 48% remained symptom-free, while among the 70 to 79 year olds it was an astounding 60% that developed no symptoms at all. This again raises the question whether the pre-existing diseases are not perhaps a more important factor than the virus itself. The Italian example has shown that 99% of test-positive deaths had one or more pre-existing conditions, and even among these, only 12% of the death certificates mentioned Covid19 as a causal factor.
Bingo.

Seems like almost everyone is watching and reading like junkies about the cases and deaths increasing, blindly believing the media and not realizing that deaths that would have been reported as being caused by the flu along with other pre-existing conditions are just more intensely being reported in the media. 650k die from the flu every year all around the world and you don't see this in the media along with the current hype and hysteria. There is something that makes me sick in all of this and it sure is not a virus, but people's stupidity.
 

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Nailed it, especially when compared to H1N1, which was totally covered up by the MSM. Why? Actually, I have a pretty good idea why, but it's a serious question the whole country needs to be demanding answers for.

As far as I'm concerned, any media outlets and journalists pushing hysteria and fear at a time like this are purposefully attempting to destroy nations and should be brought to justice. However, we all have the power to change the channel and starve them out, too.
I actually have a conspiracy regarding your post.
I’m speaking from a US perspective only, but I believe after the cold war, Russia infiltrated American politics. So they slowly integrated more socialist structure against a capitalist society. So I think this is decades planned.


I personally am a moderate, so when I see far left/right clashes that have been more common since Trump running for president. Just a theory
 
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