Al-Dajjal and his punishment

illuminatimess

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Al-Dajjal (Antichrist) will have powers and the ability to seduce people, and make them sin. Yesterday evening I had a discussion with my mother about Al-Dajjal. While we were talking, I thought about something. God himself will give him all these powers. So he is already chosen. He won’t have a choice to choose between good and evil. So my question was, if he is already chosen to play that significant role in humanity, will he be punished as others wil?

Sorry if this has been already discussed.
 

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Hello,

I think you're misunderstanding pre-destiny (Taqdeer). In brief, taqdeer refers to the absolute and perfect knowledge of Allah. He knows ahead of time what everyone will do in the future out of their own will. When we are presented with different paths, we choose where to walk and God is All Knowing...he knows what we'll choose...this wisdom is part of the unseen and we are limited in knowledge with regards to how His plan aligns with our freewill...

The absolute knowledge of Allah does not interfere with the independent will of people. People will be judged and rewarded or punished by Allah due to their own will.

We believe that the knowledge of Allah is perfect and everything will fall in place according to the knowledge of Allah without imposing anything against the will of people. Had the knowledge of Allah (Taqdeer) been imposed against the will of people, that will bring to question the entire concept of the day of Qiyamat. Then rewarding through Jannah and Jahannam would be against justice or it would be oppression respectively.

The crimes and punishments of Shaitaan and Dajjal should be viewed in the light of the above explanation. Dajjal will commit acts of Kufr and Shirk out of his own will. Allah having prior knowledge of this does not obstruct the will of Dajjal. Dajjal will be punished for his direct crimes like Shaitan.

So yes, Allah has allowed Dajjal the use of powers but he has his own freewill to choose whether to use them for good or bad...Allah knows due to the nature of his character, he will choose to abuse his power and commit the utmost shirk by referring to himself as God...that is why we were warned to help us overcome this trial...

God allows certain things to occur because there is always a greater outcome in the grand scheme of things...as humans we do not always understand this and this is due to our limitations...

Hope that helps!
 
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Hello,

I think you're misunderstanding pre-destiny (Taqdeer). In brief, taqdeer refers to the absolute and perfect knowledge of Allah. He knows ahead of time what everyone will do in the future out of their own will. When we are presented with different paths, we choose where to walk and God is All Knowing...he knows what we'll choose...this wisdom is part of the unseen and we are limited in knowledge with regards to how His plan aligns with our freewill...

The absolute knowledge of Allah does not interfere with the independent will of people. People will be judged and rewarded or punished by Allah due to their own will.

We believe that the knowledge of Allah is perfect and everything will fall in place according to the knowledge of Allah without imposing anything against the will of people. Had the knowledge of Allah (Taqdeer) been imposed against the will of people, that will bring to question the entire concept of the day of Qiyamat. Then rewarding through Jannah and Jahannam would be against justice or it would be oppression respectively.

The crimes and punishments of Shaitaan and Dajjal should be viewed in the light of the above explanation. Dajjal will commit acts of Kufr and Shirk out of his own will. Allah having prior knowledge of this does not obstruct the will of Dajjal. Dajjal will be punished for his direct crimes like Shaitan.

So yes, Allah has allowed Dajjal the use of powers but he has his own freewill to choose whether to use them for good or bad...Allah knows due to the nature of his character, he will choose to abuse his power and commit the utmost shirk by referring to himself as God...that is why we were warned to help us overcome this trial...

God allows certain things to occur because there is always a greater outcome in the grand scheme of things...as humans we do not always understand this and this is due to our limitations...

Hope that helps!
I just want to add that growing up in and around a Unitarian Christian household/family, what you're describing makes perfect sense! It was nice to read. :)
 

illuminatimess

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Hello,

I think you're misunderstanding pre-destiny (Taqdeer). In brief, taqdeer refers to the absolute and perfect knowledge of Allah. He knows ahead of time what everyone will do in the future out of their own will. When we are presented with different paths, we choose where to walk and God is All Knowing...he knows what we'll choose...this wisdom is part of the unseen and we are limited in knowledge with regards to how His plan aligns with our freewill...

The absolute knowledge of Allah does not interfere with the independent will of people. People will be judged and rewarded or punished by Allah due to their own will.

We believe that the knowledge of Allah is perfect and everything will fall in place according to the knowledge of Allah without imposing anything against the will of people. Had the knowledge of Allah (Taqdeer) been imposed against the will of people, that will bring to question the entire concept of the day of Qiyamat. Then rewarding through Jannah and Jahannam would be against justice or it would be oppression respectively.

The crimes and punishments of Shaitaan and Dajjal should be viewed in the light of the above explanation. Dajjal will commit acts of Kufr and Shirk out of his own will. Allah having prior knowledge of this does not obstruct the will of Dajjal. Dajjal will be punished for his direct crimes like Shaitan.

So yes, Allah has allowed Dajjal the use of powers but he has his own freewill to choose whether to use them for good or bad...Allah knows due to the nature of his character, he will choose to abuse his power and commit the utmost shirk by referring to himself as God...that is why we were warned to help us overcome this trial...

God allows certain things to occur because there is always a greater outcome in the grand scheme of things...as humans we do not always understand this and this is due to our limitations...

Hope that helps!
Thank you for your detailed reply. I agree on everything you wrote coz that’s what God/Mohammad (pub) told us.
But I don’t understand the part about his free will. Hypothetically, if he chooses to be good, what then? It would contradict the revelation.
I mean, I know God knows everything. The fact that God chooses that one particular person to fulfill his message, seems quite confusing to me. I guess we won’t understand everything
 

Haich

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Thank you for your detailed reply. I agree on everything you wrote coz that’s what God/Mohammad (pub) told us.
But I don’t understand the part about his free will. Hypothetically, if he chooses to be good, what then? It would contradict the revelation.
I mean, I know God knows everything. The fact that God chooses that one particular person to fulfill his message, seems quite confusing to me. I guess we won’t understand everything
You're welcome, it is a question that had once crossed my mind too.

Well Dajjal is a man, he will be born of a woman and live a normal life until the trial. So in islam as you know, we believe that every person has freewill...

The prophet pbuh warned us about the signs and tribulation that will occur in the lead up to Qiyamah. The hadith which details all of this was in essence, a window or a peak into the future. So it isn't that God had determined Dajjal to be the chosen one...but Dajjal would be presented with a trial (the gift of powers and global influence) and he would choose to mislead people to the fire...so that hadith is a glimpse of one of the things that Dajjal will choose to do when presented with the choice of either committing Kufr and shirk or deciding to do good...

God Almighty is showing us what He knows will happen based on Dajjal's character and lack of deen and the prophet pbuh was warning us to not trust him...

It's not that God chose Dajjal...He has allowed Dajjal to act upon his freewill as a human. When we pray or make dua, it is an opportunity to seek guidance and help from the Almighty in an attempt that whatever decisions we make in life are the best for us...dua can change what you would have chosen to do if God wills...

I'd just like to add that Isa (as) hasn't yet fulfilled his duty as The messiah and this event is vital as it concludes his role and thus he can pass away after living out the rest of his days...so with God Almighty, the bigger picture is also something we need to remind ourselves of...

It is a pretty big and complex topic so I would urge you to maybe speak to your local ulema for a more detailed response if you still have some queries.

Hope that helps! :)
 

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You're welcome, it is a question that had once crossed my mind too.

Well Dajjal is a man, he will be born of a woman and live a normal life until the trial. So in islam as you know, we believe that every person has freewill...

The prophet pbuh warned us about the signs and tribulation that will occur in the lead up to Qiyamah. The hadith which details all of this was in essence, a window or a peak into the future. So it isn't that God had determined Dajjal to be the chosen one...but Dajjal would be presented with a trial (the gift of powers and global influence) and he would choose to mislead people to the fire...so that hadith is a glimpse of one of the things that Dajjal will choose to do when presented with the choice of either committing Kufr and shirk or deciding to do good...

God Almighty is showing us what He knows will happen based on Dajjal's character and lack of deen and the prophet pbuh was warning us to not trust him...

It's not that God chose Dajjal...He has allowed Dajjal to act upon his freewill as a human. When we pray or make dua, it is an opportunity to seek guidance and help from the Almighty in an attempt that whatever decisions we make in life are the best for us...dua can change what you would have chosen to do if God wills...

I'd just like to add that Isa (as) hasn't yet fulfilled his duty as The messiah and this event is vital as it concludes his role and thus he can pass away after living out the rest of his days...so with God Almighty, the bigger picture is also something we need to remind ourselves of...

It is a pretty big and complex topic so I would urge you to maybe speak to your local ulema for a more detailed response if you still have some queries.

Hope that helps! :)
I already talked to a local ulema, but they aren’t that educated. The only know the basic things which I myself also know.

Yeah, it’s very complex and I’m sure you can verify what you said with the Quran. Also, Google doesn’t show anything helpful
 
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