I am my highest authority, judge and guide. Who is yours?

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Luciferians believe they are their own gods.
You believe you’re your own god.
You, therefore, are luciferian.

No need to be a wimp about it. Stand up proud for what you are/represent.
You want to be your own god as well, as the final word on what I am, as shown by your falsely trying to label me, while ignoring that I label myself a Gnostic Christian.

You may not be true to your instincts that wish to make you the fittest but I am.

I doubt that we can have an honest debate given your swollen ego but just in case --------

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People want to be their own gods. Is that good or evil?

The real Original Sin, then and today, to most Christians, is based on this quote.

“For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil" (Gen. 3:5).

Jesus seems to have wanted this to happen, as that would make us his brethren.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught and that Gnostic Christians have embraced.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

If Jesus wants us to know of good and evil, as a prerequisite to being born again as his brethren, it goes well with Jesus’ prediction as quoted above.

That may be why Christians sing that Adam’s sin was a happy fault and necessary to god’s plan.

I am not a literal reader of this myth, but this seems to make sense. It follows then that it makes sense for Adam to ignore Yahweh’s command not to gain an education.

Thoughts?

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DL
 
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Religion is truly evil and accepting the Torah , Quran or OT is just foolish , unless you as a man want to lord over others with malice and hate .
Given that Christianity and Islam grew by inquisitions and Jihads, because they did not have morally persuasive ideas to convert with, I think it is safe to say that both religions are all in for lording it over others with malice and hate.

Trying to get them to talk of their evil ways is near impossible, as you can see from our friend trying to label me what I am not.

Honesty and truth are not in him and he does not care.

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Well. That's curious.
Very non theistic ubermensch.

Is that what you believe?
I believe that only a satanic god would use genocide and kill, when he could just as easily cure.

I believe that that is the best moral position because it makes moral sense to me and Jesus himself, as he indicated that that was what he came to do. Cure the spiritually ill, not kill them.

Who do you think is more likely to use genocide, an evil god, or a good god?

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DL
 

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I believe that only a satanic god would use genocide and kill, when he could just as easily cure.

I believe that that is the best moral position because it makes moral sense to me and Jesus himself, as he indicated that that was what he came to do. Cure the spiritually ill, not kill them.

Who do you think is more likely to use genocide, an evil god, or a good god?

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DL
I don't believe in any god, so it is hard to answer that.

What god/s to you consider to be good?
 
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I don't believe in any god, so it is hard to answer that.

What god/s to you consider to be good?
If you cannot make a moral judgement on genocide, or if it is better to cure than kill, I have no interest in discussing anything with you.

Reciprocity is fair play. Give an answer to my question, as I did yours above, and we can continue.

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DL
 

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Well can you be clearer with your terminology?

I believe that only a satanic god would use genocide and kill, when he could just as easily cure.

I believe that that is the best moral position because it makes moral sense to me and Jesus himself, as he indicated that that was what he came to do. Cure the spiritually ill, not kill them.

Who do you think is more likely to use genocide, an evil god, or a good god?

Regards
DL
You are using the word satan. A satanic god.
I don't really know what you mean by that, and I would like clarification, please.

Are you just using the name satan as a synonym for evil? Or are you meaning the opposer to the christian religion?

And to answer your question. I don't think any gods do genocide. I think people do.
I think genocide is evil and the people who do it are doing evil, regardless of their political, religious or moral justifications.
 
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Well can you be clearer with your terminology?



You are using the word satan. A satanic god.
I don't really know what you mean by that, and I would like clarification, please.

Are you just using the name satan as a synonym for evil? Or are you meaning the opposer to the christian religion?

And to answer your question. I don't think any gods do genocide. I think people do.
I think genocide is evil and the people who do it are doing evil, regardless of their political, religious or moral justifications.
Most here see Satan as evil and that is how I use that name as well as demon's etc. A satanic god would be an evil god to them.

I see Satan more like the Jews see her. As Yahweh's Loyal Opposition.
She asks the questions that the insecure believers are too afraid to ask, and was instrumental, in the myth, for helping A & E graduate, so to speak, from being blissfully stupid with their eyes closed, to having them opened and having a moral sense.

Jews see a win win situation in Eden, where both man and god come out winners.

Jews see Original Virtue and the elevation of man in Eden, --- while Christians see Original Sin and our fall.

The Christians are really stupidly conflicted on this as shown by their singing in their Exultet hymn that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh's plan.

Christians say that they would not do as Adam did, which means that they would willingly derail Yahweh's plan.

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DL
 

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Most here see Satan as evil and that is how I use that name as well as demon's etc. A satanic god would be an evil god to them.

I see Satan more like the Jews see her. As Yahweh's Loyal Opposition.
She asks the questions that the insecure believers are too afraid to ask, and was instrumental, in the myth, for helping A & E graduate, so to speak, from being blissfully stupid with their eyes closed, to having them opened and having a moral sense.

Jews see a win win situation in Eden, where both man and god come out winners.

Jews see Original Virtue and the elevation of man in Eden, --- while Christians see Original Sin and our fall.

The Christians are really stupidly conflicted on this as shown by their singing in their Exultet hymn that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh's plan.

Christians say that they would not do as Adam did, which means that they would willingly derail Yahweh's plan.

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DL
It’s demons
 

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Most here see Satan as evil and that is how I use that name as well as demon's etc. A satanic god would be an evil god to them.

I see Satan more like the Jews see her. As Yahweh's Loyal Opposition.
She asks the questions that the insecure believers are too afraid to ask, and was instrumental, in the myth, for helping A & E graduate, so to speak, from being blissfully stupid with their eyes closed, to having them opened and having a moral sense.

Jews see a win win situation in Eden, where both man and god come out winners.

Jews see Original Virtue and the elevation of man in Eden, --- while Christians see Original Sin and our fall.

The Christians are really stupidly conflicted on this as shown by their singing in their Exultet hymn that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh's plan.

Christians say that they would not do as Adam did, which means that they would willingly derail Yahweh's plan.

Regards
DL

Interesting.

To some extent I agree with you.
For instance, was Judas a betrayer, or was he a man playing a difficult but necessary part?

During the last supper Jesus actually seem to choose him, and tell him what to do, as though it had been arranged beforehand.

In the garden of eden story, there would be no story at all if they had not eaten the apple.
And it seems to be to have been a rigged game from the beginning.
How could people who were without the knowledge of good and evil commit sin? How would they understand?

So, what god (if any) do you believe is the good one?
 

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And my own personal opinion is that the Adam and Eve story is a mythologised folk memory of the neolithic revolution, when we were cast out of Eden and made to till the fields.

But that's just my opinion.
 
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