Trump Presenting Peace Plan To Israeli Leaders

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I’m going to stop you right there. How did a minority of Jews do this to the existing Arab population — who presumably had villages and communities in place — with zero pushback from said Arabs?

In 1948, Jews were outnumbered at least 2-1 and were under arms embargo. But in your clueless history, they managed to ethnically cleanse huge areas of Palestine and take it for themselves. How?

Do you understand what I’m asking here? The premise that the Jews showed up one day with a bunch of guns and kicked all the Arabs off their land is based on nothing but the need of your side to have a reason to hate Jews. As long as you deny the actual history of the Jews and Palestinians who shared Palestine until 1948, you’re going to get this wrong.

So tell us, what really happened? Because your explanation that Jews swooped in and took every inch of Palestine away from it’s rightful owners is only acceptable historical narrative if you don’t care about facts.
You couldn't stop a nose bleed so don't act tough with me. Of course, there was pushback from the Palestinians but they simply were not ready for what was to come. They didn't have the weapons, funding, or militias the Jews had. They did exactly what the gorilla groups in Africa did and continue to do even though Africans far outnumber them.

You act as if they were fighting with sticks and stones. They were fighting with machine guns, tanks, and etc. Didn't matter how outnumbered the Jews were (if they even were considering how many Jews were coming in year after year ever prior to 1947). They had the money and weapons to overtake them. Also, you talk about an arms embargo but that only really applied to the Palestinians. The Jews were receiving their weapons through Czechoslovokia and as Leonard Slater states in his book The Pledge, through an underground weapons smuggling group which was funded by wealthy Jews. The Jewish Agency were quite well funded while the Palestinians literally had only sticks and stones. Funny enough Stalin was the first to recognize Israel and support them in needing weapons. But I guess he needed to since his whole ideology was created by a bunch of Jews. Coincidence? I think not my little Zionist buddy ;)

It doesn't make sense to any logical thinking human being for 600,000-700,000 Palestinians to just get up and leave their way of life and land and start new somewhere for no reason. Clearly they were forced out. And this is even more evident when Haaretz, thanks to Tamar Novick, found out that Israel actual hides and destroys documents in regards to the Nakba.

It is in fact your camp of Zionists that try to hide, destroy (literally in this case), and change history to suit this sympathetic story of the Jews coming into Israel peacefully and how the Arabs left of their own volition.
 

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As I was saying ...


 

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His views have definitely changed since the last year and it all started when there was a thread about the Protocols made. He's either trolling and trying to piss off people who hold an anti-Zionist view or he couldn't take the fact that people were waking up to this Zionist world government bullshit. His true colours really did finally come out.
Lol you have no idea what you are talking about Muslim boy. I don't care about Israel and I am not Jewish either. I am not trolling either. Why would I? You're just another paranoid nutjob who sees Jews conspiring everywhere.

A Zionist world government is an oxymoron. I told you my views on the Protocols as well and you just ignored it and posted this retarded text.
 
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As I was saying.


A Palestinian effort to bring a resolution rejecting the US Mideast peace plan to a vote at the UN Security Council faced a delay from its intended Tuesday date, multiple reports on Monday indicated, with the future of the motion seemingly in question.
Diplomats told AFP on Monday afternoon that the Palestinians had abandoned their request for a vote over a lack of international support. Introduced by Indonesia and Tunisia, the resolution risked not having nine out of 15 votes in its favor, the minimum required for adoption, provided there is no veto by a permanent member, the diplomats told AFP.

Palestine Liberation Organization Secretary-General Saeb Erekat quickly denied the motion had been shelved, insisting the reports were false, though he did say it was not yet ready for a vote.


“Reports that the resolution promoted by the Arab Group and the non-aligned movement has been withdrawn are unfounded. The draft resolution has been distributed. We are continuing the process of consultation with various countries in a way that doesn’t contradict the principles. We would like to note that the draft resolution is not yet in blueprint, or ready to be voted,” he wrote on Twitter.



Senior PA official Hussein al-Sheikh tweeted, “Rumors about the draft resolution intended to be presented to the Security Council are part of a fierce war being waged against the Palestinian leadership. We affirm that the consultations are still continuing despite the American war and its pressure on the whole world not to pass the draft resolution.”

Numerous Israeli and Palestinian media outlets, citing sources close to Palestinian Authority leadership, reported that the vote would not go forward Tuesday, whether due to intense diplomatic pressure, a lack of support, or Palestinian rejection of a watered down version of the resolution.

The Palestinian Ma’an news agency, citing a well-informed source, said: “We are not backing away from putting forward a resolution, but when we arrived in New York City, it became clear to us that we still need to consult with member states that have not decided their position yet.”

Israeli officials told The Times of Israel the vote was currently postponed, not canceled, and could be back on the agenda at any time.

Israeli Ambassador to the UN Danny Danon said: “The Israeli position line has always been very clear: The only way to promote peace is through negotiations, not condemnations at the UN. I thank the countries that helped put a stop to Abbas’s unnecessary actions.”

Earlier Monday, PLO Executive Committee member Ahmad Majdalani told The Times of Israel that the latest draft resolution was “unacceptable.”
A Palestinian official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, called the latest draft “watered-down” and “weak,” as well as lacking “the necessary language to deter Israel from taking illegal unilateral measures aimed at destroying the two-state solution.”

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas was still scheduled to hold a news conference in New York Tuesday with former Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert at 5 p.m. (Israel time).
The news Palestinians could be pulling the resolution came a day after reports emerged that they were trying to soften the text to garner more support at the Security Council.

The reworked resolution seen by AFP had dropped its initial strong condemnation of US President Donald Trump’s peace plan, couching its criticism in milder language than in the original.

The changes came as diplomatic pressure mounted ahead of Tuesday’s Security Council vote, which Abbas was expected to be on hand for.
In one sign of the pressure, Tunisia last week abruptly fired its ambassador to the United Nations, Moncef Baati, citing his failure to consult with his foreign ministry on matters said to include the peace plan.


Diplomatic sources said Tunisia’s President Kais Saied was worried that Baati’s expressions of support for the Palestinians would damage Tunisia’s relations with the United States.

Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and adviser, briefed the Security Council on the US plan on Thursday.

The plan would put the Palestinian capital in a suburb of Jerusalem, rather than in East Jerusalem, and allow Israel to annex more than 130 Jewish settlements in the West Bank, as well as the Jordan Valley.

It has been roundly rejected by the Palestinians, the Arab League, and the Islamic Cooperation Organization. On Sunday, the African Union followed suit, with its chairman, Moussa Faki Mahamat, telling a summit of African leaders in Addis Ababa that it “trampled on the rights of the Palestinian people.”

The later version
said the US initiative “departs from the internationally-endorsed terms of reference and parameters for the achievement of a just, comprehensive and lasting solution to this conflict, as enshrined in the relevant United Nations resolutions.”



The later version said the US initiative “departs from the internationally-endorsed terms of reference and parameters for the achievement of a just, comprehensive and lasting solution to this conflict, as enshrined in the relevant United Nations resolutions.”

The draft no longer called for an international conference on the Middle East “at the earliest possible date,” instead, replacing that language with a reminder that such a call was made in a 2008 UN resolution.

It also added a line “condemning all acts of violence against civilians, including acts of terror, as well as all acts of provocation, incitement and destruction.”

It still condemned Israeli settlements in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and reaffirms the need to preserve the boundary lines from 1967.”



and who is it again that has recently been indicted for corruption and bribery. Oh that’s right it was Netanyahu and look at what’s happening. The resolution looks like it’s getting doctored and people are UN representatives are getting fired so that the original draft is not introduced.

but the snippet gives the impression they lost support, and this is why you should always read every article that a Zionist posts because they always end up being almost completely opposite to what has been implied.
 

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Lol you have no idea what you are talking about Muslim boy. I don't care about Israel and I am not Jewish either. I am not trolling either. Why would I? You're just another paranoid nutjob who sees Jews conspiring everywhere.

A Zionist world government is an oxymoron. I told you my views on the Protocols as well and you just ignored it and posted this retarded text.


:)
 

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And this is from a Muslim, the same religion that routinely does "honor killings", killing of apostates, Taharrush Gamea (literally r*pe GAMES), stoning of women and r*pe victims, jailing of women who refuse to wear the hijab etc...look in the mirror at your own beliefs before pointing the finger at other people.

At least the media is a business that we can refuse to watch or read, but your religion is still in the middle ages and Muslim nations routinely kill or emprison its dissenters in countries where there is Sharia law. So that makes you an hypocrite. You guys spend your time whining about Jews and the Protocols instead.
 

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And this is from a Muslim, the same religion that routinely does "honor killings", killing of apostates, Taharrush Gamea (literally r*pe GAMES), stoning of women and r*pe victims, jailing of women who refuse to wear the hijab etc...look in the mirror at your own beliefs before pointing the finger at other people.

At least the media is a business that we can refuse to watch or read, but your religion is still in the middle ages and Muslim nations routinely kill or emprison its dissenters in countries where there is Sharia law. So that makes you an hypocrite. You guys spend your time whining about Jews and the Protocols instead.
Why so angry? Unlike you where I actually present facts you don't produce much of anything. Instead of throwing out random claims (which you're never able to back up) why don't you stop trolling and actually do something productive.

If I knew the Protocols would make you this butthurt, I would have posted about it earlier in order that you show your true self.
 
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I just remember that in 2003 Condoleezza Rice (the national security adviser to the president Bush in 2003) talked about "transforming" 22 countries in middle east region. Everything is going according to their clock.

The irony in her statement doesn't go unnoticed. The very same regions they talk about being unstable are also, the same regions in, which the West, propped up puppet governments. For example, let's take Saddam. He was placed there by the West lol.
 

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Why so angry? Unlike you where I actually present facts you don't produce much of anything. Instead of throwing out random claims (which you're never able to back up) why don't you stop trolling and actually do something productive.

If I knew the Protocols would make you this butthurt, I would have posted about it earlier in order that you show your true self.

 
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Islam isn't a person. I can post videos of stupid Christians doing stupid things but it doesn't mean they're following Christianity.

You're going to have to be a better troll if you're going to get anywhere. Stop with the fallacies :)
One question: Are you Muslim?
 

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You couldn't stop a nose bleed so don't act tough with me. Of course, there was pushback from the Palestinians but they simply were not ready for what was to come. They didn't have the weapons, funding, or militias the Jews had. They did exactly what the gorilla groups in Africa did and continue to do even though Africans far outnumber them.

You act as if they were fighting with sticks and stones. They were fighting with machine guns, tanks, and etc. Didn't matter how outnumbered the Jews were (if they even were considering how many Jews were coming in year after year ever prior to 1947). They had the money and weapons to overtake them. Also, you talk about an arms embargo but that only really applied to the Palestinians. The Jews were receiving their weapons through Czechoslovokia and as Leonard Slater states in his book The Pledge, through an underground weapons smuggling group which was funded by wealthy Jews. The Jewish Agency were quite well funded while the Palestinians literally had only sticks and stones. Funny enough Stalin was the first to recognize Israel and support them in needing weapons. But I guess he needed to since his whole ideology was created by a bunch of Jews. Coincidence? I think not my little Zionist buddy ;)

It doesn't make sense to any logical thinking human being for 600,000-700,000 Palestinians to just get up and leave their way of life and land and start new somewhere for no reason. Clearly they were forced out. And this is even more evident when Haaretz, thanks to Tamar Novick, found out that Israel actual hides and destroys documents in regards to the Nakba.

It is in fact your camp of Zionists that try to hide, destroy (literally in this case), and change history to suit this sympathetic story of the Jews coming into Israel peacefully and how the Arabs left of their own volition.
Our reply when people ask for proof is to show them historical accounts, land deeds, government reports, etc., while your answer is, “Zionists ate my homework.”
 

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As I was saying.


A Palestinian effort to bring a resolution rejecting the US Mideast peace plan to a vote at the UN Security Council faced a delay from its intended Tuesday date, multiple reports on Monday indicated, with the future of the motion seemingly in question.
Diplomats told AFP on Monday afternoon that the Palestinians had abandoned their request for a vote over a lack of international support. Introduced by Indonesia and Tunisia, the resolution risked not having nine out of 15 votes in its favor, the minimum required for adoption, provided there is no veto by a permanent member, the diplomats told AFP.

Palestine Liberation Organization Secretary-General Saeb Erekat quickly denied the motion had been shelved, insisting the reports were false, though he did say it was not yet ready for a vote.


“Reports that the resolution promoted by the Arab Group and the non-aligned movement has been withdrawn are unfounded. The draft resolution has been distributed. We are continuing the process of consultation with various countries in a way that doesn’t contradict the principles. We would like to note that the draft resolution is not yet in blueprint, or ready to be voted,” he wrote on Twitter.



Senior PA official Hussein al-Sheikh tweeted, “Rumors about the draft resolution intended to be presented to the Security Council are part of a fierce war being waged against the Palestinian leadership. We affirm that the consultations are still continuing despite the American war and its pressure on the whole world not to pass the draft resolution.”

Numerous Israeli and Palestinian media outlets, citing sources close to Palestinian Authority leadership, reported that the vote would not go forward Tuesday, whether due to intense diplomatic pressure, a lack of support, or Palestinian rejection of a watered down version of the resolution.

The Palestinian Ma’an news agency, citing a well-informed source, said: “We are not backing away from putting forward a resolution, but when we arrived in New York City, it became clear to us that we still need to consult with member states that have not decided their position yet.”

Israeli officials told The Times of Israel the vote was currently postponed, not canceled, and could be back on the agenda at any time.

Israeli Ambassador to the UN Danny Danon said: “The Israeli position line has always been very clear: The only way to promote peace is through negotiations, not condemnations at the UN. I thank the countries that helped put a stop to Abbas’s unnecessary actions.”

Earlier Monday, PLO Executive Committee member Ahmad Majdalani told The Times of Israel that the latest draft resolution was “unacceptable.”
A Palestinian official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, called the latest draft “watered-down” and “weak,” as well as lacking “the necessary language to deter Israel from taking illegal unilateral measures aimed at destroying the two-state solution.”

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas was still scheduled to hold a news conference in New York Tuesday with former Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert at 5 p.m. (Israel time).
The news Palestinians could be pulling the resolution came a day after reports emerged that they were trying to soften the text to garner more support at the Security Council.

The reworked resolution seen by AFP had dropped its initial strong condemnation of US President Donald Trump’s peace plan, couching its criticism in milder language than in the original.

The changes came as diplomatic pressure mounted ahead of Tuesday’s Security Council vote, which Abbas was expected to be on hand for.
In one sign of the pressure, Tunisia last week abruptly fired its ambassador to the United Nations, Moncef Baati, citing his failure to consult with his foreign ministry on matters said to include the peace plan.


Diplomatic sources said Tunisia’s President Kais Saied was worried that Baati’s expressions of support for the Palestinians would damage Tunisia’s relations with the United States.

Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and adviser, briefed the Security Council on the US plan on Thursday.

The plan would put the Palestinian capital in a suburb of Jerusalem, rather than in East Jerusalem, and allow Israel to annex more than 130 Jewish settlements in the West Bank, as well as the Jordan Valley.

It has been roundly rejected by the Palestinians, the Arab League, and the Islamic Cooperation Organization. On Sunday, the African Union followed suit, with its chairman, Moussa Faki Mahamat, telling a summit of African leaders in Addis Ababa that it “trampled on the rights of the Palestinian people.”

The later version
said the US initiative “departs from the internationally-endorsed terms of reference and parameters for the achievement of a just, comprehensive and lasting solution to this conflict, as enshrined in the relevant United Nations resolutions.”



The later version said the US initiative “departs from the internationally-endorsed terms of reference and parameters for the achievement of a just, comprehensive and lasting solution to this conflict, as enshrined in the relevant United Nations resolutions.”

The draft no longer called for an international conference on the Middle East “at the earliest possible date,” instead, replacing that language with a reminder that such a call was made in a 2008 UN resolution.

It also added a line “condemning all acts of violence against civilians, including acts of terror, as well as all acts of provocation, incitement and destruction.”

It still condemned Israeli settlements in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and reaffirms the need to preserve the boundary lines from 1967.”



and who is it again that has recently been indicted for corruption and bribery. Oh that’s right it was Netanyahu and look at what’s happening. The resolution looks like it’s getting doctored and people are UN representatives are getting fired so that the original draft is not introduced.

but the snippet gives the impression they lost support, and this is why you should always read every article that a Zionist posts because they always end up being almost completely opposite to what has been implied.
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if the vote ever makes it back onto the agenda.
 

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And this is from a Muslim, the same religion that routinely does "honor killings", killing of apostates, Taharrush Gamea (literally r*pe GAMES), stoning of women and r*pe victims, jailing of women who refuse to wear the hijab etc...look in the mirror at your own beliefs before pointing the finger at other people.

At least the media is a business that we can refuse to watch or read, but your religion is still in the middle ages and Muslim nations routinely kill or emprison its dissenters in countries where there is Sharia law. So that makes you an hypocrite. You guys spend your time whining about Jews and the Protocols instead.
First off, Muslims are the followers of the faith, Islam is the religion.
Secondly, the faith explicitly forbids "honor killings", killing of apostates whom are not attacking you, taharush, mandating the hijab and etc. So looking in the mirror at "my own beliefs" I believe those things (among with other foulness "Muslims" were forbidden from engaging in but began to re-insert into culture/society once Prophet Muhammad died) are illegal in Islam. Because they clearly are. But you have been on this board long enough that you already knew these facts, you cheeky monkey you!

As for the rest, your "modern world" would have never emerged into being if God almighty hadnt blessed the followers of Islam w/the scientific knowledge to advance so perhaps do some basic research and show a lil respect?
 

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First off, Muslims are the followers of the faith, Islam is the religion.
Secondly, the faith explicitly forbids "honor killings", killing of apostates whom are not attacking you, taharush, mandating the hijab and etc. So looking in the mirror at "my own beliefs" I believe those things (among with other foulness "Muslims" were forbidden from engaging in but began to re-insert into culture/society once Prophet Muhammad died) are illegal in Islam. Because they clearly are. But you have been on this board long enough that you already knew these facts, you cheeky monkey you!

As for the rest, your "modern world" would have never emerged into being if God almighty hadnt blessed the followers of Islam w/the scientific knowledge to advance so perhaps do some basic research and show a lil respect?
All of this can be verified false by a quick Google search and the videos I have posted.

And if you want to get into the scientific stuff, most of the world's best mathematicians and physicists have been either Christians or Jews. But when you bring up the Jews, people on this board tend to think it's some kind of conspiracy rather than just creativity and high IQ on their part.
 

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Our reply when people ask for proof is to show them historical accounts, land deeds, government reports, etc., while your answer is, “Zionists ate my homework.”
I understand that when the truth hits your face you tend make up bs but for once in your life take this loss like a man, go back to the Zionist chalkboard, and also, ask for more shekels because I won't make your job easy here.

I'm sure when the first Europeans came to North America they asked the natives for their land deeds and then, in response, when the natives looked at them funny they decided to kill a large part of them off, sell their offspring into slavery, and then thank Jesus for all the turkey dinner ;)
 

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All of this can be verified false by a quick Google search and the videos I have posted.

And if you want to get into the scientific stuff, most of the world's best mathematicians and physicists have been either Christians or Jews. But when you bring up the Jews, people on this board tend to think it's some kind of conspiracy rather than just creativity and high IQ on their part.
Absolute nonsense. From the 8th century Muslims made great contributions to mathematics and science. There is many academic scholarly work that can attest to this.

Also, if the Christians and Jews were so scientific why did the Jews want to leave with the Muslims and go back to Morocco with them when the Catholics re-took Spain?

Like I keep saying you're going to have to be a better troll ;)
 

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All of this can be verified false by a quick Google search and the videos I have posted.

And if you want to get into the scientific stuff, most of the world's best mathematicians and physicists have been either Christians or Jews. But when you bring up the Jews, people on this board tend to think it's some kind of conspiracy rather than just creativity and high IQ on their part.
Brodawggie, what I posted is correct. Those things aint in the faith, they are outlawed in the faith. Thems just the facts.

I just posted how some of "the worlds best" minds came from Muslim communities, but it appears you cannot accept historical fact. It is interesting that you are whining about Jewish peoples being disrespected when I did no such thing. You created a flimsy false-narrative which was constructed by attributing that to me which I have not promoted. You need to do better than strawmen if you want to convince the world that you possess a brain.....
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