No regard...for the desire of women

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Why wouldn’t I agree with God? I do accept that the way God ordained it is no longer the norm. I accept that most people aren’t going to live the way God wants and they will do what they think they need to do. But, I also accept that things work better when people live the way God said is good.
No offense, but I think you need a better psychologist when you make these types of statements.
 

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I spent the better part of three pages arguing what God wanted for women and what He said was right..and I agree that it is right..there is a difference.
But you didn't do what you supposedly believe God wanted for women and you are stigmitising those who work and provide for their kids...(by choice or necessity, some women do not have a choice but to work...think of single mums!)

You were doing this too! So it is hypocritical to preach something you havent practised yourself...it dimishes any credibility your point and belief has...

Why did you decide to work and go against what you believe that God ordained for women...?
 

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But you didn't do what you supposedly believe God wanted for women and you are stigmitising those who work and provide for their kids...(by choice or necessity, some women do not have a choice but to work...think of single mums!)

You were doing this too! So it is hypocritical to preach something you havent practised yourself...it dimishes any credibility your point and belief has...

Why did you decide to work and go against what you believe that God ordained for women...?
I did do what God wanted me to do.. I stayed home with my children and made a family. So, I’m not talking about something I didn’t do. I stayed home for 15 years with them and then yes, I did get a part time job because my husband and I were on the verge of a divorce and the judge ordered me to get a job and I kept the job for awhile because my husband liked the extra income.

Why are mums single do you think?
 
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You’re assuming I have one? Why?
Because... sigh. Anyone can read through your posts and see that you're battling something, which I think needs an unbiased perspective. What it is, only you know. What makes you constantly degrade people who aren't living your life is not a healthy mindset, and you do it constantly and consistently on here. For the most part, people usually let others "live and let live" so the need for you to do it as much as you do is an issue I think only a professional can help you with.

My .02 cents and you asked for them.
 

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Because... sigh. Anyone can read through your posts and see that you're battling something, which I think needs an unbiased perspective. What it is, only you know. What makes you constantly degrade people who aren't living your life is not a healthy mindset, and you do it constantly and consistently on here. For the most part, people usually let others "live and let live" so the need for you to do it as much as you do is an issue I think only a professional can help you with.

My .02 cents and you asked for them.
That I did...and I won’t hold it against you.

How am I degrading anyone here? I said I accept people don’t live like that but that there was a way that God wanted us to live and I think that is the right way. I also said that I don’t think that most people will live that way again. So, I’m not sure why you think I’m battling something honestly. I kind of think that the reason you guys get so worked up about it is because you subconsciously agree with me.
 

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He will show no regard....for the desire of women.


Daniel 11:37
He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, I want to focus though, on the desire of women aspect of the antichrist.
Some people believe that he is gay and doesn’t like women, however, I believe that he doesn’t like women and doesn’t want them to have their desires.


It seems to me that this is happening in this day and age. I think of the feminist movement, that acts as if they are for women and empowering women, but I think it has actually had the opposite effect.
Women are nurturers and we have the internal organs to bear children. That is our calling from God, to have and nurture our children, but with the feminist movement, we are told that that is not our calling, that we can be like men and work out of the home. I think this has had a negative effect on families, where no one is home to raise their kids and the kids are in daycare. Someone else is raising your children now. Granted, women have a lot going for them, and I’m not saying a career is horrible, but raising kids is the greatest privilege and most important job any woman can have. We are talking about our family here....


Then there is the your body your choice stuff...How did it come down to killing your baby being ok or should even be a choice at all? Shouldn’t it be the women’s choice is to have sex knowing it may lead to a pregnancy or not? After that, you have a little life in you and that now trumps any other choice you may want to make. It seems so wrong to say that a woman has the right to kill her unborn kid and its all ok and no one better tell her any different!
What if the man wants to keep the baby, does that matter at all? I guess, though a lot of men want the women to get the abortions. There seems to be a growing rift between marriage and children. To divorce means tragedy for the family and money hardships on both sides....better to not marry and kill off any kids that may come along, I guess.
Then there’s the pc saying that there is no harm to you to abort your baby..well you would have to be pretty hardened to not care that you took a little babies life. But to lessen that realization, people started referring to babies as fetus’. I guess it works, how many babies have been aborted worldwide now?


Then I think about a religion that to me, personifies the verse..islam.
People will get mad over this, but I’m sorry, when you stick women in a cloth prison and try to call it normal...that screams no regard for the desire of women.
What person, let alone a woman wants to be stuck in a cloth prison? How is that modest in any way? Where you can only see a woman’s eyes and many times you can’t even see that. But, women are brainwashed...or is it threatened to wear it and told it is honoring to their god. The worst part is that women fear not wearing one because of the r*pe aspect of islam. Muslim men use r*pe to control women and to project their sins onto their women. If you cover up we won’t be tempted to r*pe you, is a twisted way to blame women for the muslim mans own sins.

I’ve also read about honor killings, that seem to happen to daughters of muslims and is perpetuated by the whole family, though many times just by the father and sons on female family members who don’t measure up to islamic standards. And so I guess the only way to change the female family members behavior is death. Seems pretty extreme to me.


In some cultures there is the female genital mutilation phenomena, though islam seems to be alright with this as well, as many of those cultures are islamic.
FGM is done to young girls and I’ve read it is usually done without any pain meds..but why would you give pain meds when you don’t care about what you are doing to the young girl? The affects of Fgm is an inability to urinate normally and when older an inability to enjoy sex.
Seems to me that this is a total disregard for women, why would women not want to enjoy sex, and who needs a problem with uritnation their whole life?

I also think of the grooming scandals in England where ‘asian’ men groomed local population girls for their own sexual desires and for the desires of other men. Though sex trafficking is ongoing throughout the world, what a sad commentary on the selling of women and girls for sex. Trapped in a world that they were forced into...



There also seems to be another disturbing disregard against girls, the marrying off of children to older men. I don’t know that its regulated just to islam...but it is a reality in islam. Poor girls should not be forced into the role of a wife and what that means, especially regarding sex. No little girl wants to have sex with anyone let an older man.


On the opposite end of the spectrum is the objectifying of women, the saddest part is the women who participate for whatever reasons. Thinking of the women of Hollywood who go to award shows or on the red carpet with barely anything on and that’s empowerment? How that is trickling down-I recently read an article about a young women who thinks nothing of walking around without a top. This is not widely accepted in society, but some people would like it to be, and apparently at music festivals, and places like burning man, it is normal to see. Which means, that it will be gaining momentum in society and normalization. But, then a lot of things have been normalized lately.


“I will put enmity between you and the woman…”. It would seem that this verse has a lot to do with the beginning of the disregard for women. It all started in the beginning, and it just keeps on increasing and having a huge, negative impact on women and everyone really.
Excellent post. Really awesome insights into the current gender-based social engineering we have to deal with. Thanks Lisa.
 

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I did do what God wanted me to do.. I stayed home with my children and made a family. So, I’m not talking about something I didn’t do. I stayed home for 15 years with them and then yes, I did get a part time job because my husband and I were on the verge of a divorce and the judge ordered me to get a job and I kept the job for awhile because my husband liked the extra income.

Why are mums single do you think?
So your circumstances changed and you had to get a job? Welcome to the real world. Why is it so difficult then to emphasize with others who are in similar situations you were in or are in worse situations?

Single parents arise for a variety of reasons. Divorce, death, children before marriage...
Before you stigmatise single parents, again, remember that not everyone is a Christian and holds the same views as you and there are plenty of kids who have loving parents that aren't married but live together and have a strong relationship.

I do believe marriage protects children but I'm coming from a religious perspective and I do what I believe is right for me and my circumstances. My beliefs do not in any way mean that people should be shunned for having kids out of wedlock or in their teens...
 
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That I did...and I won’t hold it against you.

How am I degrading anyone here? I said I accept people don’t live like that but that there was a way that God wanted us to live and I think that is the right way. I also said that I don’t think that most people will live that way again. So, I’m not sure why you think I’m battling something honestly. I kind of think that the reason you guys get so worked up about it is because you subconsciously agree with me.
Uh-huh. Well, at least you're admitting they're your thoughts, but as I stated earlier they're not for EVERY WOMAN, comprendre? Nothing's wrong with wanting to stay home and raising a family, Lisa. That said, there are other options and even scenarios, through no fault of the woman, when that's not possible.

Lol, these are boards, and we're having online conversations, that's all. I highly doubt anyone's getting "worked up". However, I think people are just amazed at your Draconian and myopic views when reading your posts.
 
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Uh-huh. Well, at least you're admitting they're your thoughts, but as I stated earlier they're not for EVERY WOMAN, comprendre? Nothing's wrong with wanting to stay home and raising a family, Lisa. That said, there are other options and even scenarios, through no fault of the woman, when that's not possible.

Lol, these are boards, and we're having online conversations, that's all. I highly doubt anyone's getting "worked up". However, I think people are just amazed at your Draconian and myopic views when reading your posts.
It seems to me like you all were getting worked up at what I was saying. One has to wonder why my comments would make people so upset..
 

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So your circumstances changed and you had to get a job? Welcome to the real world. Why is it so difficult then to emphasize with others who are in similar situations you were in or are in worse situations?

Single parents arise for a variety of reasons. Divorce, death, children before marriage...
Before you stigmatise single parents, again, remember that not everyone is a Christian and holds the same views as you and there are plenty of kids who have loving parents that aren't married but live together and have a strong relationship.

I do believe marriage protects children but I'm coming from a religious perspective and I do what I believe is right for me and my circumstances. My beliefs do not in any way mean that people should be shunned for having kids out of wedlock or in their teens...
I do know that not everyone is a Christian and people don’t look at things the way I do or even think God will help them with their problems in life.

My thinking has a lot to do with what God said in the Bible and also the way He worked in my life. That’s why I see things the way I do. Like I told Orwell’s mentor..one has to wonder why you all would get so worked up about the things I’ve said....I’m no one.
 

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One has to wonder why it seems to be your goal in life to get people worked up... to the point you continually insist they ARE even when they tell you they ARENT.
That’s not my goal but I do come to the forum to talk.
 

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I do know that not everyone is a Christian and people don’t look at things the way I do or even think God will help them with their problems in life.

My thinking has a lot to do with what God said in the Bible and also the way He worked in my life. That’s why I see things the way I do. Like I told Orwell’s mentor..one has to wonder why you all would get so worked up about the things I’ve said....I’m no one.

Oh please, no one is worked up about what you have said. I thought you were here to 'talk'? We are discussing our opinions and ideas but it seems you are hellbent on posting inflammatory and provocative comments then hiding behind 'God' or playing victim when called up on your BS.

You are entitled to your views...I know for a fact you wouldn't dare utter half the crap you spew in real life so please, go ahead and post on this forum. It is such a shame at your ripe age you harbour hate, anger and venom.

The reason I joined this discussion is because you were very hypocritical in your stance of working mothers as you have been one yourself! No one likes a hypocrite !
 
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