Trump Presenting Peace Plan To Israeli Leaders

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How is that scraps? Their territory has been more than doubled. And this new Palestinian State in East Jerusalem could be the start of something more.
What even the mainstream press is reporting is that the Palestinians will get the least desirable land which is mainly walled into open air prisons, connected by a serious of checkpointed roads and TUNNELS. Thats their big improvement?
 

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Someone had to say it! Thanks DR.......
But they haven’t said it. The headline isn’t explained in any of the articles linked. Can someone tell us how this is meant to rescue Netanyahu?

All the countries that support this deal, do they also support this plan to rescue Netanyahu?

This plan has been in the works for a couple years at least. There was no guarantee that, by the time it was presented, Netanyahu would even be in power.

The headline makes no sense, if you’re familiar at all with current events, and the author of the headline makes no effort to explain what he means, the people posting this on this thread can’t explain it, but keep nodding at each other like it explains everything.
 

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But they haven’t said it. The headline isn’t explained in any of the articles linked. Can someone tell us how this is meant to rescue Netanyahu?

All the countries that support this deal, do they also support this plan to rescue Netanyahu?

This plan has been in the works for a couple years at least. There was no guarantee that, by the time it was presented, Netanyahu would even be in power.

The headline makes no sense, if you’re familiar at all with current events, and the author of the headline makes no effort to explain what he means, the people posting this on this thread can’t explain it, but keep nodding at each other like it explains everything.
Since you are trolling so hard, suppose I can try and give you what you came here for?
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We all know you can’t explain how this is a big scheme to rescue Netanyahu. You don’t need to confirm it for us.
Except the links have already been posted Dumbdarian...... We all know you cant read at that level though, no need to confirm it for us DD.... but some were videos eh?
 

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Except the links have already been posted Dumbdarian...... We all know you cant read at that level though, no need to confirm it for us DD.... but some were videos eh?
You’re not reading my posts. The links don’t spell out how this is a plan to rescue Netanyahu. That’s why I asked if you could explain it. Those are just a bunch of links from propaganda sites that only idiots and Nazis read. They don’t elaborate on the headline at all.
 

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I just don’t see whereas you can call this a two state solution when Palestine is not able to have its own military. It is more or less all going to be Israel under this plan or Israel will basically become something like the federal government over the whole area.

“The State of Palestine will not be able to develop military or paramilitary capabilities inside or outside of the State of Palestine.

A demilitarized State of Palestine will be prohibited from possessing capabilities that can threaten the State of Israel including: weapons systems such as combat aircraft (manned and unmanned); heavy armored vehicles; mines; missiles; rockets; heavy machine guns; laser/radiating weapons; anti-air; anti-armor; anti-ship; military intelligence; offensive cyber and electronic warfare capabilities; production facilities and procurement mechanisms for weapons systems; military infrastructure and training facilities; or any weapons of mass destruction.

Any expansion of Palestinian security capabilities beyond the capabilities existing on the date this Vision is released shall be subject to agreement with the State of Israel.

The State of Israel will maintain the right to dismantle and destroy any facility in the State of Palestine that is used for the production of prohibited weapons or for other hostile purposes. While the State of Israel will use its best efforts to minimize incursions into the State of Palestine, the State of Israel will retain the right to engage in necessary security measures to ensure that the State of Palestine remains demilitarized and non-threatening to the State of Israel, including from terrorist threats.”

then basically the rest of the plan outlines how there is a financial incentive for this. The plan is utter nonsense really. Palestine will not be given sovereignty with this plan so I agree that they should reject it, which from my understanding they have already. Although, reading through this thread, it is hard to tell. the thread gives the impression that we are still waiting to find out whether the Palestinians will accept or reject this. They have rejected it as far as I can tell.

a plan for peace in this area needs to be a lot more neutral. i would consider something more along the lines of the treaty on the non proliferation of nuclear weapons for nuclear weapons for a comparison.

This plan legitimizes any and all measures enforced by Israel that could be considered “security measures” while Palestine is to be disarmed unless they are enforcing consequences towards “terrorism” within the boundaries of Palestine.

these efforts to remove terrorists from Palestine are also to be supervised by Israel and the United States like Palestine is a kindergartner. Therefore, there is no way you could call this a two state solution or a plan for peace.

I’m sure if the British were still in control of the colonies, they would be calling George Washington a terrorist too in order to continue piggybacking off of the US. Of course the revolutionary war is not remembered as the day that terrorists gained independence.

overall this plan is utter garbage and I’m glad it was rejected. It is this kind of manipulation present throughout this plan that makes it understandable why the Palestinians were not participating in negotiations. They don’t want to negotiate with them. They want to manipulate them and sneak something detrimental to their livelihood within some neuro linguistic programming.

that is how I would rename this plan—the neurolinguistic programming plan for palestine.

 

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I just don’t see whereas you can call this a two state solution when Palestine is not able to have its own military. It is more or less all going to be Israel under this plan or Israel will basically become something like the federal government over the whole area.

“The State of Palestine will not be able to develop military or paramilitary capabilities inside or outside of the State of Palestine.

A demilitarized State of Palestine will be prohibited from possessing capabilities that can threaten the State of Israel including: weapons systems such as combat aircraft (manned and unmanned); heavy armored vehicles; mines; missiles; rockets; heavy machine guns; laser/radiating weapons; anti-air; anti-armor; anti-ship; military intelligence; offensive cyber and electronic warfare capabilities; production facilities and procurement mechanisms for weapons systems; military infrastructure and training facilities; or any weapons of mass destruction.

Any expansion of Palestinian security capabilities beyond the capabilities existing on the date this Vision is released shall be subject to agreement with the State of Israel.

The State of Israel will maintain the right to dismantle and destroy any facility in the State of Palestine that is used for the production of prohibited weapons or for other hostile purposes. While the State of Israel will use its best efforts to minimize incursions into the State of Palestine, the State of Israel will retain the right to engage in necessary security measures to ensure that the State of Palestine remains demilitarized and non-threatening to the State of Israel, including from terrorist threats.”

then basically the rest of the plan outlines how there is a financial incentive for this. The plan is utter nonsense really. Palestine will not be given sovereignty with this plan so I agree that they should reject it, which from my understanding they have already. Although, reading through this thread, it is hard to tell. the thread gives the impression that we are still waiting to find out whether the Palestinians will accept or reject this. They have rejected it as far as I can tell.

a plan for peace in this area needs to be a lot more neutral. i would consider something more along the lines of the treaty on the non proliferation of nuclear weapons for nuclear weapons for a comparison.

This plan legitimizes any and all measures enforced by Israel that could be considered “security measures” while Palestine is to be disarmed unless they are enforcing consequences towards “terrorism” within the boundaries of Palestine.

these efforts to remove terrorists from Palestine are also to be supervised by Israel and the United States like Palestine is a kindergartner. Therefore, there is no way you could call this a two state solution or a plan for peace.

I’m sure if the British were still in control of the colonies, they would be calling George Washington a terrorist too in order to continue piggybacking off of the US. Of course the revolutionary war is not remembered as the day that terrorists gained independence.

overall this plan is utter garbage and I’m glad it was rejected. It is this kind of manipulation present throughout this plan that makes it understandable why the Palestinians were not participating in negotiations. They don’t want to negotiate with them. They want to manipulate them and sneak something detrimental to their livelihood within some neuro linguistic programming.

that is how I would rename this plan—the neurolinguistic programming plan for palestine.

It’s not a plan for a state. It’s a path to a state. If the Palestinians can refrain from launching terror attacks on Israeli citizens for a long enough period of time, they may be trusted with an army.

Don’t worry, though, they’re perfectly free to continue on the military road they’re on now, with the usual response from the IDF. Their terror attacks haven’t been declared even more illegal and reprehensible. They can still launch rockets and mortars at kindergartens, and float brightly coloured bombs, disguised as children’s toys and attached to balloons, over the “apartheid” wall. No one can ever take that dignity away from them.
 

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I'll stick my neck out here and state I think they have slept with eachother. You can tell by Netanyahu's wistful tone he is mentally reflecting on the time Trump dropped his strides to the floor and wiggled his bottom at the annual Rabid Zionists charity ball for bombs for Palestine do.

....if not they have definitely kissed. What you reckon Thunderpants? Blow some hot air over this love in by media giant Hannity.

(I'd suggest you get yourself a box of tissues before watching)..... that's a free risk assessment, nothing more.


I believe the ten year deal he refers to is what he blackmailed Obama for in exchange for him not selling the pics of him getting banged by his wife at a previous fund raiser.
 
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It’s not a plan for a state. It’s a path to a state. If the Palestinians can refrain from launching terror attacks on Israeli citizens for a long enough period of time, they may be trusted with an army.

Don’t worry, though, they’re perfectly free to continue on the military road they’re on now, with the usual response from the IDF. Their terror attacks haven’t been declared even more illegal and reprehensible. They can still launch rockets and mortars at kindergartens, and float brightly coloured bombs, disguised as children’s toys and attached to balloons, over the “apartheid” wall. No one can ever take that dignity away from them.
maybe you should read the plan. This is not a plan between terrorists. It is a plan for Palestine and Israel to restore peace. Hamas is mentioned more than once and the plan makes a distinction between these references and the Palestinians, so this provision is nonessential as a result.

If the people they are trying to create an agreement with are not considered terrorists according to the plan. There is no reason they should not be considered equal. Therefore, there should be no provision for Israel to act as a supervisory authority within this plan unless the plan is really trying to make Israel the military authority acting like a federal government in the area.

As you say, this is a “path to a state.” The Palestinians do not need to path to a state supervised by Israel and the United States. Peace includes a recognition of sovereignty for each party. This is not defined within this plan and it is right that the Palestinians have rejected it because of this.
 
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. And then Palestine must give their remaining land to Israel, and offer themselves up as willing slaves on the altar of Zionism. Palestinians must also give all of their children to Jeffrey Epstein, as tribute.

Hahha thats funny, the truth is Palestine lost the war. They can't do anything right now... The international support is a joke. Is the darwin law "the stronger will survive". Is very simple.. Maybe, if they recover the support of arab's countries ... They have a chance to win.
 

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maybe you should read the plan. This is not a plan between terrorists. It is a plan for Palestine and Israel to restore peace. Hamas is mentioned more than once and the plan doesn’t suggest that Palestinians are terrorists, so this provision is nonessential as a result.

If the people they are trying to create an agreement with are not considered terrorists according to the plan. There is no reason they should not be considered equal. Therefore, there should be no provision for Israel to act as a supervisory authority within this plan unless what the plan is really trying to do is make Israel the military authority acting like a federal government in the area.

As you say, this is a “path to a state.” The Palestinians do not need to path to a state supervised by Israel and the United States. Peace includes a recognition of sovereignty for each party. This is not defined within this plan and it is right that the Palestinians have rejected it because of this.
I understand what you’re saying, but the Palestinians have done a pretty good job of convincing everyone that they are, in fact, terrorists. Unless you consider their leadership until now just a bunch of peace-loving guys who were forced by the occupation into blowing up school buses and cafes, and the like, Palestinians haven’t yet shown they can be a part of the civilized world.

There needs to be some sort of show of renunciation of terror, and an inclination to deal with Israel as one state who wants peace deals with a state they want peace with. How can Hamas pretend that they, and the Palestinians they claim to represent, really want peace, when they are launching terror attacks on Israeli civilians as we speak? How can Abbas say he wants peace when he’s directly supporting terrorism against Israel himself?

We need to stop pretending that the Palestinians have as much leverage as they’ve been treated as having, because they no longer do, or that they can be viewed as a cooperative partner in any kind of peace process. In stark contrast to what has historically been the case, they will be LUCKY if they get a state now. This deal will be imposed on them, whether they like it or not, and if you doubt this, look at the list of countries that support it.

As I’ve been saying, the game is over. The Palestinians don’t have anyone to play with anymore, and the countries that own the equipment, and control the playing field, are in the parking lot, honking.

No, if you think the Palestinians have only ever been seeking their own state to live peaceably alongside Israel in, and only committed terror in response to the injustice of a brutal Israeli occupation, it’s not fair.

And no, if you think that Israel has every right to the land they hold now, plus a lot more, and that they’ve done an amazing and admirable job building a world-class state, while under constant attack from Palestinian terrorists around them, and in their midst, it’s not fair, either.

But everyone except the Palestinians now wants peace, and so this is how it’s going to happen, whether the peace-loving Palestinians want it to, or not.

Their choice is to either continue to suffer the status quo, but now without the support, read that cash, of much of the Arab world, or to try and act like civilized human beings, and cash in with a ready-made and fully funded state. There is also no reason to think that, if the Palestinians show they can build a civilized country, that they can’t soon enough take full military control of their state, too.

But continued terror attacks on their innocent neighbours don’t make a great case for that just yet.
 

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Hahha thats funny, the truth is Palestine lost the war. They can't do anything right now... The international support is a joke. Is the darwin law "the stronger will survive". Is very simple.. Maybe, if they recover the support of arab's countries ... They have a chance to win.
Pam isn’t serious. Don’t waste your time. :)
 

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Pam isn’t serious. Don’t waste your time. :)
Well, palestine people are war prissioners of Israel.
So in this case , I'm agree with Pam.. Everything could change if palestine get real help from other arab's countries. And what I mean with real help, it's the only thing can scare Israel : nuclear bombs.
 

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Well, palestine people are war prissioners of Israel.
So in this case , I'm agree with Pam.. Everything could change if palestine get real help from other arab's countries. And what I mean with real help, it's the only thing can scare Israel : nuclear bombs.
You’re as bad as Pam.
 

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Why is Adam Greenberg still allowed on YouTube?


Is he controlled opposition?
 
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