The Law is Still In Effect Today According to Christ

Lisa

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You don't need to "explain" anything. All you need to do is provide ONE verse that states it's impossible for any of us to keep The Law
Romans‬ ‭3:23-24‬ ‭
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus​
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We can only then be justified by grace and not by works..
 

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Reading posts that so badly interpret the Bible almost makes my head explode. My six-year-old knows better than this. You have to WANT to misinterpret scripture to come up with such a terrible reading of it. You have to be determined to entirely cancel the completed work of Jesus Christ.
 

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Romans‬ ‭3:23-24‬ ‭
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus​
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We can only then be justified by grace and not by works..
Where does it say in there that it's impossible to keep The Law? Still waiting for a verse that says it's impossible for us to keep The Law.

There's a difference between being capable of doing something and choosing to do it.
 

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Where does it say in there that it's impossible to keep The Law? Still waiting for a verse that says it's impossible for us to keep The Law.

There's a difference between being capable of doing something and choosing to do it.
Sinners can’t keep the law because of sin...
 

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Reading posts that so badly interpret the Bible almost makes my head explode. My six-year-old knows better than this. You have to WANT to misinterpret scripture to come up with such a terrible reading of it. You have to be determined to entirely cancel the completed work of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void The Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish The Law.
 

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@A Freeman and the reason you cant figure that verse out is because you only want to come to God on your terms and you are lying to yourself in thinking you actually can against what scripture clearly says.
 

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Where does it say in there that it's impossible to keep The Law? Still waiting for a verse that says it's impossible for us to keep The Law.

There's a difference between being capable of doing something and choosing to do it.

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one......

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:



14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Next verses:
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


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All have sinned. That includes your fruit-loop self-declared reincarnated Jesus, John Anthony Hall.

He is condemned until he believes in the true Jesus Christ. You are also condemned until you stop believing in Hall and become a true worshipper of the true God.
 

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Sinners can’t keep the law because of sin...
Sinners are sinners because they break The Law.

It is possible to stop sinning and be perfect according to Christ.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven IS perfect.

Still waiting on the verse that says it's impossible for us to keep The Law. In case you missed it earlier:-

1 John 3:4-10

3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey.
 

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Sinners are sinners because they break The Law.

It is possible to stop sinning and be perfect according to Christ.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven IS perfect.

Still waiting on the verse that says it's impossible for us to keep The Law. In case you missed it earlier:-

1 John 3:4-10

3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey.
Do you still sin - YES or NO?
 

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It is possible to stop sinning and be perfect according to Christ.
No it’s not..that’s why the verse says for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. It doesn’t say some have sinned and others haven’t..for all have sinned.
 
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Matthew 5:10-20
5:10 Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is The Kingdom of heaven.
5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the Prophets which were before you.
5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
5:16 Let your Light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fully preach The Law [(The Torah) and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah].
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall EXCEED [the righteousness] of the lawyers and politicians, ye shall in no case enter into The Kingdom of heaven.
As I've said, Christians selectively read their books. They love Matthew 5:17 and make love to that verse, yet they pretend that Matthew 5:18-20 isn't in the Bible at all. Christians despise Matthew 5:18-20 that much.
 

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No it’s not..that’s why the verse says for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. It doesn’t say some have sinned and others haven’t..for all have sinned.
Which is why everyone NEEDS to repent (i.e. STOP SINNING/BREAKING THE LAW). If everyone was striving to keep The Law -- which is the ONLY Way one can TRULY love their neighbor as much as or more than themselves -- this world would transform itself overnight into the Heaven on Earth it was always meant to be.

But instead, it's a world FILLED with ARROGANT, stiff-necked/stubborn/obstinate people, who think they'll be rewarded for being habitual CRIMINALS. Christ Himself said that every single so-called Christian that doesn't come out of that evil organized religion WILL be thrown into The Fire on the Last Day (Matt. 7:21-27, Rev. 2:20-23) unless they repent of their sinful/evil/criminal ways and start DOING as we've been COMMANDED to do for thousands of years (Mal. 4).

Let's look at a few examples in the Bible of people who actually reformed their ways and thus placed themselves in a better position to survive Judgment Day.

Enoch - Genesis 5:21-24
5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
5:22 And Enoch walked WITH God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
5:24 And Enoch walked WITH God: and he [was] not; for God took him.

Enoch, who was the first prophet, walked WITH God, i.e. did God's Will, which is why he was "translated" (allowed to skip numerous reincarnations to arrive in time at Judgment Day, because his good works pleased God).

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Job - Job 1:1, 8, 2:3, 8:20
1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name [was] Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
1:8 And the "I AM" said unto Satan, Hast thou considered My servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
2:3 And the "I AM" said unto Satan, Hast thou considered My servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst Me against him, to destroy him without cause.
8:20 Behold, God will not cast away a perfect [man], neither will He help the evil doers:

An evil doer = a sinner = someone who breaks The Law = a criminal
Someone who refuses to repent/stop sinning = a habitual criminal

Zacharias and Elisabeth - Luke 1:5-6
1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife [was] of the daughters of Aaron, and her name [was] Elisabeth.
1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the Commandments and Ordinances of the Lord BLAMELESS.

Everyone has sinned. But everyone has the power of God within them to STOP. That's what the Holy Spirit is, and why it can ONLY dwell where there is no sin.

Come out of your churches, etc. with their idiot priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, all of whom are "the blind leading the blind" according to Christ. Start DOING what Christ actually teaches: OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS. It IS possible to keep The Law WITH God's Help, but it's up to each and everyone of us to CHOOSE of our own free-will to do so.

There is absolutely no other way to come to Christ but through obedience to The Law.

'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'
-- Mahatma Gandhi
 

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Not only did Christ Jesus warn everyone that The Laws of God would apply to The End (Matt. 5:17-20) - which Apostle Paul wouldn't have heard from Him, and very obviously confused the 3rd hand hearing of it - but it's written: in writing - into our current daily social structure, via the 2nd June 1953 coronation Oath (see below).

The British monarch heads the BAR worldwide (British Accreditation Registry), so the very "legislation"/ "parliament"/ "police"/ "courts"/ "judges", and those who fall under the judicial system: including all so-called Christians - are bound by its solemn promise to maintain and keep "The Laws of God".

But from the very top (QE2) down everyone seems to be doing their absolute best to avoid Them; desperately(?) using Paul-above-Christ to do so??

And guess who is the richest of them all? Judge the tree by ts fruit. It's in QE2's interest not to keep her promise to follow The Laws of God, because the monarch is forbidden wealth (5th Book of The Law Deut. 17:14-20), and she's the phenomenally richest woman on earth. Exposed: All the queen's agents and corporations that control the world/ Royal Fortune Stays a Secret/ Who Owns the World /

So, all so-called Christians who deny The Laws of God, are basically saying to the establishment (the Committee of 300 that QE2 heads Illuminati etc. and their salaried lackeys) that it's okay that they break their very solemn promise to God, and manipulate the world to their advantage? Destroying it for their own personal wealth, is more like it!

Which is why God made His laws, and forbade all others (Deut. 4:2), which also forbid poverty (Deut. 15:4), and Christ backed Them 100% (Matt. 5:17-20), and why God spoke through Malachi, because He foresaw everyone's turning away from Them, to warn everyone to return to Them, or be destroyed (Mal. 4:1-6) - which INCLUDES ALL mis-believers/half-believers (Matt. 25:1-8)!!

Why can't this be plainly seen for what it is??

Picture and links at: True Law - not legislation.

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As I've said, Christians selectively read their books. They love Matthew 5:17 and make love to that verse, yet they pretend that Matthew 5:18-20 isn't in the Bible at all. Christians despise Matthew 5:18-20 that much.
Thanks for bringing that up.

Perhaps it would be beneficial to go through those verses together, to illustrate the absurdity and illogic so-called Christians employ so they can continue pretending to love Christ while directly disregarding His Words and disobeying Him.

Christ instructed everyone not to even think that He came to destroy The Law because He did NOT come to do that. So how could "Christians" believe that their preachers, who God considers to be the lowest of the low (the “least”) CON so many into believing The Law has been destroyed despite the fact we are all still here?

Matthew 5:17-20
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law (1), or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy (2), but to fulfill(3).
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law (4), till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall EXCEED [the righteousness] of the scribes [lawyers] and pharisees [politicians], ye shall in no case enter into The Kingdom of heaven.

In verse 17, Christ states not once but THREE TIMES in the same sentence that He did NOT come to destroy The Law (or the Prophets who came before him and after him, who all taught The Law).

In verse 18, Christ confirms that The Law will still be in effect long after His Ascension, to leave NO DOUBT that The Law is still in effect today. All that anyone needs to do is open their eyes and observe we are all still here; thus the Earth has clearly not passed away and neither has The Law.

So what do “Christians” do? They take the word “fulfill” and redefine that word to mean “Christ did it for us, because we can't, so there's no need for any of us to keep The Law anymore”. It's not only completely ridiculous, but it's calling Christ a liar and claiming He contradicted Himself within the same sentence. In summary, this is what “Christians” are actually reading into those two verses (Matt. 5:17-18).

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“Christian” interpretation of Matt. 5:17-18: Do NOT think I came to destroy The Law because I did NOT come to destroy The Law, but I am going to destroy The Law, even though The Law shall in NO WAY be destroyed before Heaven and Earth are.

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How absurd!

The Greek word that has been translated into English as “fulfill” was “pleroo”. In the original Greek there are six possible meanings for that word, five of which render the verse (17) to be self-contradictory. The only one that doesn't is TO FULLY PREACH, which is exactly what Christ was doing with regard to The Law (John 5:42-47).

Strong's #4137: pleroo (pronounced play-ro'-o)

from 4134;

1. to make replete, i.e. (literally)
2. to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence),
3. satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task),
4. verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.:--accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire,
5. fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come),
6. fully preach, perfect, supply.

The passage continues in verse 19 by clearly stating that those who keep The Commandments of God (His Law) and teach others to do the same will be considered to be great in God's Eyes, while those who do NOT keep The Commandments and teach others it's okay for us to break them – purportedly because no one can keep them – will be considered to be the lowest of the low in God's Eyes.

So what do the so-called Christian priests, pastors, etc. do? They teach people to break The Commandments!

Any “Christian” who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. That is exactly what the “Christian” churches are teaching by telling everyone it's impossible to keep The Commandments (God's Law) which is an obvious LIE. Of course anyone who points out their hypocrisy is immediately attacked with a barage of logical fallacies and pathetic excuse-making. Like the false equivalency of people choosing to continue breaking The Law somehow being proof that it's impossible to keep The Law.

We are all quite capable of abstaining from murder. We can all abstain from adultery. We can all abstain from lying, cheating, stealing and bearing false witness against each other. And, with enough faith, we are all quite capable of enforcing The Law. So anyone pretending that it's somehow impossible to keep The Law needs to ask themselves what exactly is so difficult about it, along with how they could have been duped into thinking our ALL-Knowing God somehow gave us something we couldn't do, and then punished us for not doing the impossible.

It's so utterly preposterous it's actually impressive, in a way, that Satan has been able to so easily manipulate the minds of so many to see everything upside down and backwards, to think that Father (God) is a sadistic tyrant Who supposedly wants us to disobey Him so He can punish us. How satanic!

Which brings us to verse 20. The terms “scribe” and “pharisee” in most Bibles have been left unstranslated into English, to hide the fact that the “scribes” were the lawyers and the “pharisees” were the politicians 2000 years ago. Once it is understood, the verse makes perfect sense.

Legislative bodies (e.g. Congress, Parliaments, etc.) are filled with politicians, who make up rules in direct violation of Father's Law (Deut. 4:2, 12:32), which is a capital crime under The Law (Deut. 17:11-13). Many politicians (if not most) are also lawyers, as are the black-robed judges, who take those made-up rules and manipulate them in the courts to see just how far they can stretch the limits of what is considered “legal”. Another (and more suitable) name for lawyers is attorneys, which literally means “one who twists and turns”. A “lawyer” has about as much to do with The Law as “Christians” have to do with Christ's Teachings.

Most people intuitively know that what is considered “legal” is frequently NOT moral, and yet we continue to allow these lawyers and politicians to commit capital crimes every single day, in every single nation, legislative body and courtroom around the world. Why? Because people are too afraid (lack faith – Luke 18:8) to keep and enforce The Law.

This is exactly why verse 20 is clearly stating that there is absolutely NO CHANCE that ANY politician or lawyer/attorney/barrister will ever enter the Kingdom of Heaven UNLESS they repent of their evil ways (stop committing all of these crimes/sins).

No law-breaker can be a law-enforcer (or administrator).

The entire world has chosen of its own free-will to try to do things our own way instead of Father's Way, which is the RIGHT Way. Just look at the mess we've made of this beautiful world as the direct result of our arrogance/ignorance.

Every prophet Father has sent has brought exactly the same message: stop doing things your own way (Deut. 12:8), which is the WRONG way, and start doing things Father's Way.

The Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Koran are REPLETE with one universal message: OBEY GOD ONLY (Deut. 27:26, Thom. 2:14-16, Acts 5:29, Sura 24:51-52).

When the few who are willing to learn some humility become enough like Jesus (the Example), we will be released from this prison-planet reform school for the criminally insane. Father would never release a bunch of unrepentant criminals into the law-abiding society that exists everywhere else in the Universe.

That's why we MUST remember and return to keeping and enforcing God's Law ONLY (Mal. 4).
 

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@A Freeman and the reason you cant figure that verse out is because you only want to come to God on your terms and you are lying to yourself in thinking you actually can against what scripture clearly says.
No one needs to figure out absolute nonsense Lisa. And you're the one that's lying to yourself, you just don't "see" it. Just look at the kind of nonsense you post:-

Sinners can’t keep the law because of sin...
So, according to your circular illogic, the reason criminals can't keep The Law is because of crime.

Perhaps a simple story will help bring you back to reality.

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THE DEBTOR AND HIS FRIEND

An irresponsible man buried himself in debt living a wanton existence. When his debts came due, and he found himself about to lose everything, his best friend, who he hadn't seen in years, stepped in and paid his debt in full, at a great price.

The debtor told his friend how grateful he was for his friend's sacrifice, good advice and the example it set. All his friend asked in return was that the debtor promise to learn from his mistakes, and change his selfish ways, because this was a one-time gift.

Wouldn't this man need to remain debt-free from that point forward to keep his end of the agreement with his friend and to prove his sincerity?

And whose fault would it be if the man broke his promise and carelessly fell into debt again? Would his creditor not require his new debt be paid in full when it came due?

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Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts and trespasses (if we truly repent), as we forgive our debtors and those who trespass against us (if they truly repent).

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath fore-ordained [to be] an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;

Someone who is truly grateful to his friend for having his debt paid will show his appreciation by changing his ways, and acting responsibly, so it never happens again.

Someone who runs up their debts again, after being redeemed from debt-slavery, is very obviously NOT grateful for the sacrifice their friend made on their behalf, and thus is incorrigible.

The choice to be grateful or ungrateful, as always, is ours to make.
 

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Which is why everyone NEEDS to repent (i.e. STOP SINNING/BREAKING THE LAW). If everyone was striving to keep The Law -- which is the ONLY Way one can TRULY love their neighbor as much as or more than themselves -- this world would transform itself overnight into the Heaven on Earth it was always meant to be.

But instead, it's a world FILLED with ARROGANT, stiff-necked/stubborn/obstinate people, who think they'll be rewarded for being habitual CRIMINALS. Christ Himself said that every single so-called Christian that doesn't come out of that evil organized religion WILL be thrown into The Fire on the Last Day (Matt. 7:21-27, Rev. 2:20-23) unless they repent of their sinful/evil/criminal ways and start DOING as we've been COMMANDED to do for thousands of years (Mal. 4).

Let's look at a few examples in the Bible of people who actually reformed their ways and thus placed themselves in a better position to survive Judgment Day.

Enoch - Genesis 5:21-24
5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
5:22 And Enoch walked WITH God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
5:24 And Enoch walked WITH God: and he [was] not; for God took him.

Enoch, who was the first prophet, walked WITH God, i.e. did God's Will, which is why he was "translated" (allowed to skip numerous reincarnations to arrive in time at Judgment Day, because his good works pleased God).

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Job - Job 1:1, 8, 2:3, 8:20
1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name [was] Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
1:8 And the "I AM" said unto Satan, Hast thou considered My servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
2:3 And the "I AM" said unto Satan, Hast thou considered My servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst Me against him, to destroy him without cause.
8:20 Behold, God will not cast away a perfect [man], neither will He help the evil doers:

An evil doer = a sinner = someone who breaks The Law = a criminal
Someone who refuses to repent/stop sinning = a habitual criminal

Zacharias and Elisabeth - Luke 1:5-6
1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife [was] of the daughters of Aaron, and her name [was] Elisabeth.
1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the Commandments and Ordinances of the Lord BLAMELESS.

Everyone has sinned. But everyone has the power of God within them to STOP. That's what the Holy Spirit is, and why it can ONLY dwell where there is no sin.

Come out of your churches, etc. with their idiot priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, all of whom are "the blind leading the blind" according to Christ. Start DOING what Christ actually teaches: OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS. It IS possible to keep The Law WITH God's Help, but it's up to each and everyone of us to CHOOSE of our own free-will to do so.

There is absolutely no other way to come to Christ but through obedience to The Law.

'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'
-- Mahatma Gandhi
Yes, everyone does need to repent but you can’t get to God by works.
Romans‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.​


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Not only did Christ Jesus warn everyone that The Laws of God would apply to The End (Matt. 5:17-20) - which Apostle Paul wouldn't have heard from Him, and very obviously confused the 3rd hand hearing of it - but it's written: in writing - into our current daily social structure, via the 2nd June 1953 coronation Oath (see below).

The British monarch heads the BAR worldwide (British Accreditation Registry), so the very "legislation"/ "parliament"/ "police"/ "courts"/ "judges", and those who fall under the judicial system: including all so-called Christians - are bound by its solemn promise to maintain and keep "The Laws of God".

But from the very top (QE2) down everyone seems to be doing their absolute best to avoid Them; desperately(?) using Paul-above-Christ to do so??

And guess who is the richest of them all? Judge the tree by ts fruit. It's in QE2's interest not to keep her promise to follow The Laws of God, because the monarch is forbidden wealth (5th Book of The Law Deut. 17:14-20), and she's the phenomenally richest woman on earth. Exposed: All the queen's agents and corporations that control the world/ Royal Fortune Stays a Secret/ Who Owns the World /

So, all so-called Christians who deny The Laws of God, are basically saying to the establishment (the Committee of 300 that QE2 heads Illuminati etc. and their salaried lackeys) that it's okay that they break their very solemn promise to God, and manipulate the world to their advantage? Destroying it for their own personal wealth, is more like it!

Which is why God made His laws, and forbade all others (Deut. 4:2), which also forbid poverty (Deut. 15:4), and Christ backed Them 100% (Matt. 5:17-20), and why God spoke through Malachi, because He foresaw everyone's turning away from Them, to warn everyone to return to Them, or be destroyed (Mal. 4:1-6) - which INCLUDES ALL mis-believers/half-believers (Matt. 25:1-8)!!

Why can't this be plainly seen for what it is??

Picture and links at: True Law - not legislation.

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Let's dig a little deeper into the world-crimes that Zionist and Evangelical Christians are unwittingly aiding and abetting by their allowing themselves to be conned into rejecting God's Laws.

It's becoming common knowledge that the biggest criminals* on earth are in the behind-the-scenes world government: the Illuminati - which is the highest initiation in the Freemason rite comprising the Council of 13, Council of 33, and the Committee of 300.(Eustace Mullins ‘The Curse of Canaan’). * They routinely also break God's Laws, as well as being above their own fraudulent legalities, and

According to Dr. John Coleman in his Conspirators Hierarchy: the Committee of 300, the British monarch is the head of this world-wide criminal syndicate (see below).

Which is logical anyway: QE2 is the head simply because the British monarch: being true Judah, heads law, and does so virtually almost worldwide - wherever the BAR is (British Accreditation Registry), and this is so because of Genesis 49:10: the Judah monarch heads law, according to God/The Bible/ The Law ... until "Shiloh" comes.

That's why the coronation Oath, for the head of law etc., has to comply with The Laws of God, otherwise the British monarch would not be the monarch in God's eyes - but not that she, unlike her dad, was lawfully crowned in the first place anyway - but hard to get to this step without the basics being comprehended first?

So QE2 swore the coronation Oath to, "the UTMOST of her power maintain The Laws of God", which complies with Deut. 29:14 Neither with you only do I make this Covenant and this Oath; & 29;15 But with [him] that standeth here with us this day before the "I AM" our God, and also with [him] that [is] not here with us this day [thy children, in PERPETUITY]:

But immediately after the coronation, she forgot/ignored her Oath, and just continued the life of crime that her ancestors had been perpetrating for centuries.

There's some samples below that show that monarchy effectively allows the conning of millions of "Christians", so that they can keep their businesses and wealth, contrary to God's Law (Deut. 17:14-20) which they use to implement, by force and deception, their anti-God's-Law/ anti-Christ (Matt. 5:17-20) edicts down the line.

JUdah monarchy, together with the counterfeit "Jews" Synagogue of Satan (Rev. 2:9, 3:9), and their many well paid lackeys, are behind virtually all of earth's upheavels - just so that they can stay rich, and the populace has been conned into inaction?

Very many scriptural rebuttals have been presented in this forum - for everyone's benefit - favouring this God's-Law-still-apples argument, against the very few countering it, which in reality don't counter, and which those very few would contradict the coronation Oath anyway, which directly affects everyone's lives! WORLD CHAOS BECAUSE OF THE REJECTION OF THE OATH"S PROMISES AND BEING HAMMERED BY THE "COURTS" TO SHUT UP AND BE AN OBEDIENT SLAVE?

CONSPIRATORS' HIERARCHY: THE STORY OF THE COMMITTEE OF 300 - Dr. John Coleman

Excerpts:

"Note how the Queen, Elizabeth II, performs the ceremonial opening of the British Parliament? There, in full view is the head of the Committee of 300. Have you ever witnessed the swearing-in ceremony of a United States President? There in full view is another member of the Committee of 300. The problem is only one of perception.
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These media change-artists and news-manipulators report directly to the Club of Rome which in turn reports to the Committee of 300 at whose head sits the Queen of England ruling over a vast network of closely-linked corporations who never pay taxes and are answerable to no-one, who fund their research-institutions through foundations whose joint-activities have almost total control over our daily lives.
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In 1931 the managing-directors of the so-called "big Five" British companies were rewarded by being made Peers of the Realm for their activities in drug money-laundering. Who decided such matters and bestows such honors? It is the Queen of England who bestows honours upon the men in the top positions in the drug-trade.
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The Watergating of Nixon was the biggest coup yet pulled-off by the Round Table as an agency and an arm of the RIIA. All the tangled threads led back to the Round Table; from there to the RIIA, and right back to the Queen of England. The humiliation of Nixon was an object-lesson and a warning to future Presidents of the United States not to imagine they could go against the Committee of 300 and win. Kennedy was brutally murdered in full-view of the American people for the same reason; Nixon was not considered worthy-enough to suffer the same fate as John F. Kennedy.
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The Committee of 300 is the ultimate secret society made up of an untouchable ruling class, which includes the Queen of England, the Queen of the Netherlands, the Queen of Denmark and the royal families of Europe. These aristocrats decided at the death of Queen Victoria, the matriarch of the Venetian Black Guelphs, that, in order to gain world-wide control, it would be necessary for its aristocratic-members to "go into business" with the non-aristocratic but extremely powerful leaders of corporate-business on a global-scale, and so the doors to ultimate-power were opened to what the Queen of England likes to refer to as "the commoners."
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Yet the Assassination Bureau is absolutely real. It exists in Europe and the United States solely to do the bidding of the Committee of 300 to carry-out high-level assassinations where all other remedies have failed. It was PERMINDEX which ran the Kennedy-assassination under the direction of Sir William Stephenson, for years the Queen of England's number one "pest-control" operative.
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Military Intelligence Department Six dates back to Sir Francis Walsingham, paymaster of Queen Elizabeth I for dirty-tricks-operations. Over hundreds of years, MI6 has established a record which no other intelligence-agency can come near to duplicating. MI6 agents have gathered information from the four corners of the earth and have carried-out secret-operations that would astound even the most knowledgeable if ever they were to be made public, which is why it rates as the Master service of the Committee of 300.
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Officially, MI6 does not exist, its budget comes out of the Queen's purse and "private funds," and is reported to be in a range of $350-$500 million per annum, but no-one knows for sure what the exact amount is. In its present form MI6 dates back to 1911, when it was under the leadership of Sir Mansfield Cumming, a captain in the Royal Navy, who was always identified by the letter "C", from which "M" of James Bond fame is taken.
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The Committee of 300 is for the most part under the control of the British monarch, in this case, Elizabeth II. Queen Victoria is believed to have been quite paranoid about keeping it secret and went to great lengths to cover-up MASONIC writings left at the scene of "Jack the Ripper" murders which alluded to the Committee of 300's connections with "experiments" carried out by a family-member who was also a highly-placed member of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. The Committee of 300 is filled with members of British aristocracy which has corporate-interests and associates in every country of the world, including the USSR.
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Not known to many is that, if charged under the Official Secrets Act, which can be interpreted any way the Crown-agents choose, persons could face the death-penalty. As I have said so many times since 1980, Canada is not a nation like South Africa, or Holland or Belgium; it always was, and remains tied to the Queen of England's apron-strings. Canada, we find, is always first in carrying-out Queen Elizabeth's wishes. Canadian troops have fought in every one of Her Majesty's wars, including the Boer War (1899- 1903).
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Canada is the route most used by Far-East heroin-suppliers. The British Monarchy sees to it that this information never becomes public. Using her powers, Queen Elizabeth rules over Canada through the Governor-General (one wonders how modern Canadians can accept such an archaic arrangement?), who is the Queen's PERSONAL representative, and on down the line to the Privy Council (yet another archaic hang-over from colonialist-days) and the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem, who control Canadian commerce in all of its facets."
 
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A Freeman

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Yes, everyone does need to repent but you can’t get to God by works.
Romans‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.​
Repent means to STOP. How can someone repent of their sins and continue sinning? You can't stop something and continue doing it at the time.

You're also claiming we can't get to God by obeying Him. How ridiculous! Do you actually believe God wants us to disobey Him?

The Only Way to draw closer to God is to submit to God in obedience, by resisting the devil (stop sinning/giving in to temptation).

James 4:6-8
4:6 But He giveth more grace. Wherefore He saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth Grace [only] unto the humble.
4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
4:8 Draw nigh to God, and He will draw nigh to you. Cleanse [your] hands, [ye] sinners; and purify [your] hearts, [ye] double-minded.
 
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You've been asked very politely to please provide ONE verse that supports your unscriptural viewpoint that it's allegedly impossible for any of us to obey The Law. Just one.
Nowhere does it say to disobey the law.....but we are to uphold the law. And Scripture tells us that we are not under law anymore (under it's penalty of death to the breaking of it). Scriptures then says, do we do away with the law now that we are not under it's penalty, or under law....God forbid, but we uphold the law by letting it do what it was intended to do, and that is to condemn sin in sinful man and turn us to Christ as our propitiation (mercy seat) before the Father. But it is those who stand before God and say, I'm perfect because I kept the law as justification before God.... then Christ is no avail to you. Therefore we are justified by Faith apart from the law (in Christ) Rom. 3:27-28) and Romans Chapter 4)...you must be born again. Do you keep the Sabbath? Then good for you. But if break any one of the other laws.....you are under condemnation. Even if you think you are right before God by keeping the Sabbath. Read Paul's struggle with the Law and Grace. Paul thought he was perfect before the law came to life and fooled him. Study the Scripture before you reply under prayer. Romans Chapter 7 and 8
 

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Repent means to STOP. How can someone repent of their sins and continue sinning? You can't stop something and continue doing it at the time.

You're also claiming we can't get to God by obeying Him. How ridiculous! Do you actually believe God wants us to disobey Him?

The Only Way to draw closer to God is to submit to God in obedience, by resisting the devil (stop sinning/giving in to temptation).

James 4:6-8
4:6 But He giveth more grace. Wherefore He saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth Grace [only] unto the humble.
4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
4:8 Draw nigh to God, and He will draw nigh to you. Cleanse [your] hands, [ye] sinners; and purify [your] hearts, [ye] double-minded.
re·pent
\ri-ˈpent\
  • : to feel or show that you are sorry for something bad or wrong that you did and that you want to do what is right
Full Definition
  • intransitive verb
  • 1 : to turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life
  • 2 a : to feel regret or contrition
    b : to change one's mind
  • transitive verb
  • 1 : to cause to feel regret or contrition
  • 2 : to feel sorrow, regret, or contrition for

I don’t see where it means stop. Just because you repent doesn’t necessarily mean you can stop.

I think God wants us to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved...that’s the only way to reconcile with God and that is the only way to get the Helper..the Holy Spirit.
 
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