Trump Presenting Peace Plan To Israeli Leaders

[Thunderian]

Jewsforpeace

Are you really going to tell me that public vs private land ownership played no role here? That there were no Palestinians tied to the land that was sold or conquered? If that was the case we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Any time I see an organization that supports Palestinians and has peace in the title, it’s almost a guarantee that the only peace they’ll accept is one where a Jewish state doesn’t exist.

Anyway, they’re feeding you lies, and you’d figure this out if you’d stop and think about it. You’re trying to tell us that the Arabs have always possessed the land, but that Jews began showing up in small numbers and somehow stealing it from the rightful owners. And that the Arabs just let that happen, even though they outnumbered the Jews.

You’re trying to tell us that the Jews who bought land did so illegitimately. Do you imagine that the Jews just went down to the British authorities, told them which particular piece of Arab land they wanted, and the Brits just handed over the title? Proof, please, of such a ridiculous tale.

As far as the land that was won in the multiple wars that Israel fought against attacking Arab nations, you realize that 20 percent of Israel is made up of Arabs, right? How do you imagine they ended up as full citizens of Israel, if not by staying put on their own land?

The thing is, we shouldn’t be having this discussion. The Arabs in Palestine should have recognized the state of Israel in 1948, and saved themselves generations of woe. What has their resistance to Jews living in Palestine gotten them? What will continued terror and intransigence get them in the future?

 

[UnderAlienControl]

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[DesertRose]

Trump Is Trying To Rescue Netanyahu By Giving Israel the Occupied Palestine Territory |

www.paulcraigroberts.org

Trump Is Trying To Rescue Netanyahu By Giving Israel the Occupied Palestine Territory
January 29, 2020
'Trump Is Trying To Rescue Netanyahu By Giving Israel the Occupied Palestine Territory

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/28/617315/Palestine-Israel-Netanyahu-formally-indicted-corruption

https://www.rt.com/news/479472-erdogan-blasts-trump-deal/

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/revealed-trumps-deal-century-map-future-palestine-israel

https://www.globalresearch.ca/deal-century-apartheid/5702220

https://www.globalresearch.ca/jewish-settlers-burn-down-palestinian-churches-mosques/5702206

https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-regime-deal-century-unrelated-equity-peace/5702055

Israel to Vote Sunday on Annexing 30 Percent of the West Bank
Trump plan seen as green light for wholesale annexations

https://news.antiwar.com/2020/01/28/israel-plans-sunday-vote-on-annexing-30-percent-of-the-west-bank/'

 

[justjess]

Any time I see an organization that supports Palestinians and has peace in the title, it’s almost a guarantee that the only peace they’ll accept is one where a Jewish state doesn’t exist.

Anyway, they’re feeding you lies, and you’d figure this out if you’d stop and think about it. You’re trying to tell us that the Arabs have always possessed the land, but that Jews began showing up in small numbers and somehow stealing it from the rightful owners. And that the Arabs just let that happen, even though they outnumbered the Jews.

You’re trying to tell us that the Jews who bought land did so illegitimately. Do you imagine that the Jews just went down to the British authorities, told them which particular piece of Arab land they wanted, and the Brits just handed over the title? Proof, please, of such a ridiculous tale.

As far as the land that was won in the multiple wars that Israel fought against attacking Arab nations, you realize that 20 percent of Israel is made up of Arabs, right? How do you imagine they ended up as full citizens of Israel, if not by staying put on their own land?

The thing is, we shouldn’t be having this discussion. The Arabs in Palestine should have recognized the state of Israel in 1948, and saved themselves generations of woe. What has their resistance to Jews living in Palestine gotten them? What will continued terror and intransigence get them in the future?

There are far better “experts” on this situation than me on this board. This isn’t a particular passion of mine. If I have some specifics wrong, so be it. But I’m pretty sure the specifics you are giving are similarly biased.

I don’t see why Jews would want to abolish themselves. Makes no sense. There are plenty of Jews speaking out about how wrong this is. Sanders is a Jew and has come out condemning this plan. I have Jewish friends and a Jewish cousin who also don’t agree with it. The Jewish cousin lived in Israel for some time. The people who seem to most agree with it? Right wing Christians. Go figure.

Here’s what I do know without a shadow of a doubt. It’s wrong. On a basic guttural level it screams WRONG. I get that Jews have been historically wronged, my heart goes out for what they’ve been through as a people. But two wrongs don’t make a right. On some level it actually makes it more wrong because they truly understand what it feels like to have it done to them. They can’t claim ignorance.

There is plenty of room in between the extreme positions here. And I really wish they’d find it.. 2 contiguous states with full rights, Jerusalem neutral territory belonging to neither and open to all. That is the right thing to do.

 

[Pan]

Trump Presenting Peace Plan To Israeli Leaders Today, Deal Goes Public Tomorrow





WASHINGTON – President Trump has just revealed key details of the "Deal of the Century" to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He will purportedly reveal the plan to opposition candidate Benny Gantz momentarily. The White House will remain silent to the public until there is buy-in from both candidates. Assuming the briefings go as planned within the next two hours, and both candidates agree to the deal, there will be a joint press conference tomorrow between Trump and Netanyahu revealing some of the details to the public. According to Trump, the peace plan will be revealed tomorrow at noon:


Whatever the deal is, it's shocking to think there may already be buy-in from one side. That sets this agreement apart from all that came before. From all that we've heard about it so far, it will be very advantageous to Israel (at least superficially), so how will they get the Palestinian Authority to agree? The way Trump deals, it may not matter at all: Israel holds the cards and technically no "Palestinian State" exists. On top of that, there has been a historic thaw in relations between Israel and key Arab nations in the past several years. It may be that the Sunni axis is ready to put the issue to rest by acquiescing to Trump's plan. I imagine the plan could go something like this:

1. The two-state solution is no longer workable because of longstanding Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria, and Israel's security needs in the Jordan Valley.

2. The Palestinian Authority + Hamas have never been partners for peace.

3. Therefore, the new arrangement is an American fiat. In other words, "this is just the way it's going to be." If the Palestinians want a state, then they have to accept the deal and recognize their Jewish state counterpart. If they don't accept, then they'll never get a state. "I'll make you a deal you can't refuse."

Source

 

[Thunderian]

There are far better “experts” on this situation than me on this board. This isn’t a particular passion of mine. If I have some specifics wrong, so be it. But I’m pretty sure the specifics you are giving are similarly biased.

Anyone can read a reputable history and see that I’m telling the truth. The truth is well documented, but the things you say are not based on truth.

And it’s not “some specifics” you have wrong. All the violence and hate that is directed at Israel is justified because “Israel stole the land”, right? That’s what all this conflict is about, isn’t it? But it’s a lie, and just the latest excuse to hate the Jews. Israel didn’t steal anything. It’s the worst thing about this you could get wrong.

Do an exercise. List the main things you believe are the truth about the creation of the state of Israel, and prove them to yourself through reliable sources — not garbage Israel-hating sites, but sites that use contemporary records, statements, articles and other documentation — and see if your mind doesn’t change. That’s how it started for me. I’m a Christian, but I wasn’t always a Zionist. If the truth is important to you, then you need to be sure of it.

 

[Thunderian]

Trump Is Trying To Rescue Netanyahu By Giving Israel the Occupied Palestine Territory |

www.paulcraigroberts.org

Trump Is Trying To Rescue Netanyahu By Giving Israel the Occupied Palestine Territory
January 29, 2020
'Trump Is Trying To Rescue Netanyahu By Giving Israel the Occupied Palestine Territory

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/28/617315/Palestine-Israel-Netanyahu-formally-indicted-corruption

https://www.rt.com/news/479472-erdogan-blasts-trump-deal/

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/revealed-trumps-deal-century-map-future-palestine-israel

https://www.globalresearch.ca/deal-century-apartheid/5702220

https://www.globalresearch.ca/jewish-settlers-burn-down-palestinian-churches-mosques/5702206

https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-regime-deal-century-unrelated-equity-peace/5702055

Israel to Vote Sunday on Annexing 30 Percent of the West Bank
Trump plan seen as green light for wholesale annexations

https://news.antiwar.com/2020/01/28/israel-plans-sunday-vote-on-annexing-30-percent-of-the-west-bank/'

Which part in all those links explains exactly how this will save Netanyahu?

 

[Pan]

Anyone can read a reputable history and see that I’m telling the truth. The truth is well documented, but the things you say are not based on truth.

And it’s not “some specifics” you have wrong. All the violence and hate that is directed at Israel is justified because “Israel stole the land”, right? That’s what all this conflict is about, isn’t it? But it’s a lie, and just the latest excuse to hate the Jews. Israel didn’t steal anything. It’s the worst thing about this you could get wrong.

Do an exercise. List the main things you believe are the truth about the creation of the state of Israel, and prove them to yourself through reliable sources — not garbage Israel-hating sites, but sites that use contemporary records, statements, articles and other documentation — and see if your mind doesn’t change. That’s how it started for me. I’m a Christian, but I wasn’t always a Zionist. If the truth is important to you, then you need to be sure of it.

I’m glad we can agree on this.

The Jews are God’s Chosen People and the rest of humanity are to live in service to the Jews.

The only purpose the Gentiles serve is to live under the enlightenment of Judaism.

Gentiles are basically stupid animals and they don’t have the brain power to appreciate Judaism’s magnificence.

Gentiles are lucky to have God’s Chosen People as their Guardians.

Anyone who doesn’t agree with this is antisemitic and should be put in jail immediately.

 

[justjess]

Ik

Anyone can read a reputable history and see that I’m telling the truth. The truth is well documented, but the things you say are not based on truth.

And it’s not “some specifics” you have wrong. All the violence and hate that is directed at Israel is justified because “Israel stole the land”, right? That’s what all this conflict is about, isn’t it? But it’s a lie, and just the latest excuse to hate the Jews. Israel didn’t steal anything. It’s the worst thing about this you could get wrong.

Do an exercise. List the main things you believe are the truth about the creation of the state of Israel, and prove them to yourself through reliable sources — not garbage Israel-hating sites, but sites that use contemporary records, statements, articles and other documentation — and see if your mind doesn’t change. That’s how it started for me. I’m a Christian, but I wasn’t always a Zionist. If the truth is important to you, then you need to be sure of it.

you clearly don’t get it... I don’t care how they got the land. Displacing people who already lived there is wrong. It’s wrong whether they bought it, were given it, won it, whatever. Unless the people who sold it were the actual people living on it, it is wrong. War is wrong. This isn’t rocket science. When rich people buy up poor neighborhoods and drive up rents and displace the “native” communities I think THATS WRONG. And that’s on a way smaller over simplified scale then this so why should my opinion be surprising here?

And I don’t hate Jews, so just stop. I disagree with the Israel situation, israel =\= jews. I disagree with America on tons of shit without hating America or Americans.

 

[Pan]

Ik

you clearly don’t get it... I don’t care how they got the land. Displacing people who already lived there is wrong. It’s wrong whether they bought it, were given it, won it, whatever. Unless the people who sold it were the actual people living on it, it is wrong. This isn’t rocket science. When rich people buy up poor neighborhoods and drive up rents and displace the “native” communities I think THATS WRONG. And that’s on a way smaller over simplified scale then this so why should my opinion be surprising here?

And I don’t hate Jews, so just stop. I disagree with the Israel situation, israel =\= jews. I disagree with America on tons of shit without hating America or Americans.

Israel and Judaism are inseparable. That’s an antisemitic distinction that is designed to divide the Jewish People. It won’t work.
Jews are united under the glory of Israel and worship of the Star of Sata...David.

 

[Pan]

Ik

you clearly don’t get it... I don’t care how they got the land. Displacing people who already lived there is wrong. It’s wrong whether they bought it, were given it, won it, whatever. Unless the people who sold it were the actual people living on it, it is wrong. This isn’t rocket science. When rich people buy up poor neighborhoods and drive up rents and displace the “native” communities I think THATS WRONG. And that’s on a way smaller over simplified scale then this so why should my opinion be surprising here?

And I don’t hate Jews, so just stop. I disagree with the Israel situation, israel =\= jews. I disagree with America on tons of shit without hating America or Americans.

“Jews against Israel” is the most antisemitic slur I have ever heard.

It’s like saying “Christians against Jesus” or “Muslims against Allah.”

It’s an utterly ridiculous divide-and-conquer tactic and you ought to be ashamed.

If Jews aren’t allowed to support Israel and Zionism, in your opinion, what are Jews allowed to support?

 

[justjess]

“Jews against Israel” is the most antisemitic slur I have ever heard.

It’s like saying “Christians against Jesus” or “Muslims against Allah.”

It’s an utterly ridiculous divide-and-conquer tactic and you ought to be ashamed.

If Jews aren’t allowed to support Israel and Zionism, in your opinion, what are Jews allowed to support?

Get a hobby

I’m not sure if your attempting sarcasm.. if you are it’s missing the mark. I remember you calling out zionists frequently in the past. If you have something to say, say it bluntly. I don’t have patience

 

[Pan]

Get a hobby

I’ve got a hobby - It’s patrolling your racism for the good of humanity

 

[Pan]

Get a hobby

I’m not sure if your attempting sarcasm.. if you are it’s missing the mark. I remember you calling out zionists frequently in the past. If you have something to say, say it bluntly. I don’t have patience

Like Thunderian, I realise that Zionism is the pinnacle of human achievement.

If you don’t realise this, then you really are just a simple goyim.

 

[elsbet]

It’s amazing to me how the verifiable truth is always “Zionist lies” to certain people. If the things I say are lies, you should be able to show that. So far, you haven’t been able to.

No one is saying the Palestinians MUST form a state, but isn’t that their goal?

Purported goal.

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[weskrongden]

Pretty good breakdown of this deal. I timestamped where he starts talking about it and it last for 15-20 minutes.

This was a deal written by Kushner and Netanyahu. Pretty much everything Israel wants. Some other reasons this "deal" is completely untenable for Palestinians that haven't been mentioned. They don't get their own state with this deal. There is an indefinite period before they "might" get one. If they do ever get a state with limited sovereignty, Israel can take it back at any point. They aren't allowed to have any sort of military.

Just look at the press conference with Netanyahu. Sheldon Adelson and other big mega Jewish donors there. How do you ever expect to get a peace deal done when you're only engaging with one side? No Palestinians are even apart of the negotiations.

 

[Thunderian]

I’m glad we can agree on this.

The Jews are God’s Chosen People and the rest of humanity are to live in service to the Jews.

The only purpose the Gentiles serve is to live under the enlightenment of Judaism.

Gentiles are basically stupid animals and they don’t have the brain power to appreciate Judaism’s magnificence.

Gentiles are lucky to have God’s Chosen People as their Guardians.

Anyone who doesn’t agree with this is antisemitic and should be put in jail immediately.

I don’t agree with this at all. Jews won’t rule over anyone. Stop being stupid.

 

[Thunderian]

Ik

you clearly don’t get it... I don’t care how they got the land. Displacing people who already lived there is wrong. It’s wrong whether they bought it, were given it, won it, whatever. Unless the people who sold it were the actual people living on it, it is wrong. War is wrong. This isn’t rocket science. When rich people buy up poor neighborhoods and drive up rents and displace the “native” communities I think THATS WRONG. And that’s on a way smaller over simplified scale then this so why should my opinion be surprising here?

And I don’t hate Jews, so just stop. I disagree with the Israel situation, israel =\= jews. I disagree with America on tons of shit without hating America or Americans.

There is no reason to believe anyone was displaced when Jews bought the land. Do you have some evidence of this?

Those who were displaced by war could have stayed and become citizens of Israel, as many did, but the Arab nations told them to get out of the way of the mighty Arab army.

You are still hung up on the idea that any land held by Jews must be ill-gotten. It’s getting in the way of your understanding of the situation, but I’m tired of explaining it to you.

 

[weskrongden]

This is pointed out in the video I posted, but this is a deal written in bad faith. They wrote a deal they know Palestine won't sign so they can say, "we tried to make peace but they rejected it," and then use that as justification for everything they're about to do. That was the sole intent of the deal.

 

[Pan]

I don’t agree with this at all. Jews won’t rule over anyone. Stop being stupid.

.....But Jesus was a Jew.

God is Jewish.

Are you denying the Rule of God?

Don't tell me that you have fallen prey to the Antisemitic brain virus too, Thunderian. Please don't disappoint me.