Trump Presenting Peace Plan To Israeli Leaders

[Lisa]

Take some scraps peasant. And kiss my feet for them in thanks.

It’s interesting to note you haven’t tried to defend the plan on its merits. Just a “better than nothing” shrug

Isn’t it better than nothing?

 

[justjess]

Isn’t it better than nothing?

What do you think Lisa?

 

[Lisa]

What do you think Lisa?

Idk if you would think it’s better than nothing...that’s why I asked you. Anything would seem to be better than nothing.

 

[justjess]

Idk if you would think it’s better than nothing...that’s why I asked you. Anything would seem to be better than nothing.

I’m pretty sure the rest of my responses make my opinion on the matter perfectly clear Lisa.

 

[Lisa]

I’m pretty sure the rest of my responses make my opinion on the matter perfectly clear Lisa.

That nothing is better than something?

 

[justjess]

That nothing is better than something?

Keep baiting. I’m not biting.

 

[Lisa]

Keep baiting. I’m not biting.

Who’s baiting? That’s what you really believe in this instance?

 

[Thunderian]

You ever get tired of spouting the same Zionist lies? Why should the Palestinians have to form a state when they were already living there? The bullshit that you spew is similar to that of colonialists.

It’s amazing to me how the verifiable truth is always “Zionist lies” to certain people. If the things I say are lies, you should be able to show that. So far, you haven’t been able to.

No one is saying the Palestinians MUST form a state, but isn’t that their goal?

 

[Thunderian]

So yes, Zionist organizations legally bought up land after that but that doesn’t mean there weren’t Palestinian residents who had an equal claim to it. Just because something is “legal” doesn’t make it right.

If the land is for sale, what’s wrong with Jews buying it? I mean, if you’re not a racist, that is.

 

[FaithAndStrength]

I saw this on the news. Wow, Trump is trying to look like a good guy who comes in peace for obvious reasons.

 

[justjess]

If the land is for sale, what’s wrong with Jews buying it? I mean, if you’re not a racist, that is.

Ok so do you really want to backtrack? Jews left the land 2000 years ago. Prior to the end of the 1800’s Palestine was ottoman territory, a small number of Jews lived there and a large Arab population lived there. No one owned the land, the Ottoman Empire owned the land and leased it to all the tenants or they traded labor for the right to live on it. There was no private land ownership how we know it. For 1800 plus years the people who lived in Palestine lived under that type of arrangement. Then Britain acquired that plot of land and introduced the western conception of private land ownership, selling land to whoever had the money to buy it (in this case rich Jews and large Jewish organizations) with no regard to the claims of the people who had been living on and working on the land for almost 2,000 years (unless they were Jewish). This is colonialism at best, something even more purposeful at worst. Either way, no I’m not okay with it. No one should be.

It wasn’t the brit’s Land to sell. Just like the United States had no right stealing and selling Native American lands. Most everyone agrees on that though.. for some reason.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

WASHINGTON — The US ambassador to Israel clarified Wednesday that the Trump administration does not seek to impose a change to the status quo at Jerusalem’s ultra-sensitive Temple Mount that would allow Jews to pray there. The plan does not “impose any alteration of the status quo that is not subject to agreement of all the parties,” David Friedman told reporters in a telephone briefing.

At the same time, Friedman indicated that the administration would hope to see Jews being able to pray at the holiest place in Judaism, by agreement, within the framework of an eventual accord, as part of a new openness “to religious observance everywhere, including on the Temple Mount.”

Friedman was responding to an apparent contradiction in the terminology of the Trump administration’s “Peace to Prosperity” plan that was published Tuesday after President Donald Trump had unveiled his proposal at a White House gathering together with Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

 

[Thunderian]

How many jewish Israeli’s living in Israel right now are actually descendants of the Jewish population that lived there in 1850 thunderian?

And how many Arabs are descendants of the Arab population that lived there in 1850? If you look at the “Palestinian” family names, it’s pretty easy to determine that most of them originally came from somewhere else.

 

[Wigi]

Jews left the land 2000 years ago. Prior to the end of the 1800’s Palestine was ottoman territory

the Ottoman Empire owned the land and leased it to all the tenants or they traded labor for the right to live on it. There was no private land ownership how we know it. For 1800 plus years the people who lived in Palestine lived under that type of arrangement

The Ottoman Empire didn't lasted for 1800+years, it's intellectually dishonest to imply that this idea is even remotely true.

Before the Ottoman Empire there was Romans then Byzantins which means that Ottoman possession from today's Turkey to Palestine technically belonged to Europeans until the last crusades if I respect your logic.
The fact that British regained some lands in Palestine after WW1 and sold it to the jews is coherent with ancient History and can't be qualified as colonialism.

 

[Thunderian]

It wasn’t the brit’s Land to sell.

They didn’t buy it from the Brits. Where do you get all this wrong information from? Records show that most of the land — much of which was fairly worthless and untenanted — was bought from the legal owners, who were either local Arabs or absentee Turks.

 

[Thunderian]

Ex-IDF intel. chief: Trump peace plan not even basis for talks
https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Ex-IDF-intel-chief-Trump-plan-not-even-basis-for-talks-615777

Whilst ambitious, I think the ultimate ”Deal of the Century” is still a little way down the line.

I have nothing but a gut feeling on this but I suspect a regional conflict, with Israel the target of the Psalm 83 nations will lead to an international cry for peace, into which the “strengthened” seven year deal of Daniel 9:27 will step.

I kind of agree that this isn’t THE deal, but there are aspects of it — the support of Arab nations, and the changing of the status quo on the Temple Mount, for instance — that I find extremely interesting.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I kind of agree that this isn’t THE deal, but there are aspects of it — the support of Arab nations, and the changing of the status quo on the Temple Mount, for instance — that I find extremely interesting.

I agree - I think it is The Deal v1.0

 

[justjess]

The Ottoman Empire didn't lasted for 1800+years, it's intellectually dishonest to imply that this idea is even remotely true.

Before the Ottoman Empire there was Romans then Byzantins which means that Ottoman possession from today's Turkey to Palestine technically belonged to Europeans until the last crusades if I respect your logic.
The fact that British regained some lands in Palestine after WW1 and sold it to the jews is coherent with ancient History and can't be qualified as colonialism.

There was no private property in any of those other empires either. Not for the common people. It’s intellectually dishonest to imply Jews owned that land for any portion of the 2,000 years they were absent.

What exactly would you qualify as colonialism then?

 

[justjess]

They didn’t buy it from the Brits. Where do you get all this wrong information from? Records show that most of the land — much of which was fairly worthless and untenanted — was bought from the legal owners, who were either local Arabs or absentee Turks.

Jewsforpeace

Are you really going to tell me that public vs private land ownership played no role here? That there were no Palestinians tied to the land that was sold or conquered? If that was the case we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Iran’s Kahmeini vows ‘satanic’ US peace plan will not be realized

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei delivers his sermon in the Friday prayers at Imam Khomeini Grand Mosque in Tehran, Iran, January 17, 2020. (Office of the Iranian Supreme Leader via AP)

Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Wednesday denounced as “satanic” a US plan for solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and predicted that Muslim nations will undoubtedly prevent the proposal from being put into practice.

US President Donald Trump unveiled his long-awaited peace plan at the White House on Tuesday.

“To the dismay of US politicians, the satanic, evil US policy about Palestine — the so-called Deal Of The Century— will never bear fruit, by the grace of God,” Khamenei wrote on his official Twitter account.

“About the Jewishization of al-Quds and saying it should be in the hands of the Jews, they’re talking foolishly and unwisely,” he said, using an Arabic name for Jerusalem.

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