DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN IMPEACHED!!! WHAT NOW??

[Lisa]

Or maybe just maybe Lisa it’s because he actually IS so blatantly corrupt that it is too much even for the politicians. You might not realize this from your gilded delusional cage but any day now the people of this country are going to rise up because they’ve had enough, and there are a whole lot of politicians and wealthy people scrambling to atleast virtue signal that they are on the right side of that upcoming conflict. A rare few who might actually be so.. but it’s suspect.

This will do nothing for them in the upcoming election. They know that. It’s something other than that.

Haha, that’s laughable...if he was that corrupt it would be easily proven.

Ya, I’ve heard we are on the verge of a civil war ...what country isn’t?

What do you mean it’s something other than that?

 

[justjess]

Cooper played an old clip of Dershowitz in 1998 in which he said of impeachment: “It certainly doesn’t have to be a crime. If you have somebody who completely corrupts the office of president, and somebody who abuses trust, and who poses great danger to our liberty, you don’t need a technical crime.”


^ your magnificent leaders lawyer everyone... the same lawyer who defended Epstein and was accused of fiddling underage girls himself. Lol... it’s to ducking ridiculous for real life

 

[justjess]

Haha, that’s laughable...if he was that corrupt it would be easily proven.

Ya, I’ve heard we are on the verge of a civil war ...what country isn’t?

What do you mean it’s something other than that?

Have you ever met a criminal Lisa? I am starting to think you all live in some kind of surreal bubble..

 

[Thunderian]

Clearly they had enough of a case to proceed.

Then they shouldn’t need any additional material to make their case. How much evidence is enough? They said they had it, so let’s see it. This impeachment is a massive disruption and expense, and it’s just like the Democrats to want to add to the cost and the spectacle.

If it’s only the Democrats that are calling for new evidence and witnesses, and at the same time they’re saying that their case is good enough, why go to the trouble? Why should anyone have to sit through additional hours and hours of dry testimony, if the case has already been made?

 

[Thunderian]

"The economy is crap. You’d know that if you spent half as much time actually in this country as you do debating about it on the internet. Sizzle!

Real quick, how is the economy crap?

 

[justjess]

Real quick, how is the economy crap?

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/12/03/42166145/what-60-minutes-missed-44-of-us-workers-earn-18000-per-year

 

[justjess]

Then they shouldn’t need any additional material to make their case. How much evidence is enough? They said they had it, so let’s see it. This impeachment is a massive disruption and expense, and it’s just like the Democrats to want to add to the cost and the spectacle.

If it’s only the Democrats that are calling for new evidence and witnesses, and at the same time they’re saying that their case is good enough, why go to the trouble? Why should anyone have to sit through additional hours and hours of dry testimony, if the case has already been made?

In a criminal case you get to trial because you have enough evidence to get there. If new evidence comes to light - in either direction - you also present the new evidence. Why is this different?

Especially since this evidence is only late to the party because the ADMINISTRATION blocked it from coming out sooner?

 

[Thunderian]

The dems have no other way to win the election and they know it..that’s why they tried the Russian collusion thing and have been trying to make anything and everything stick to him since he was elected. They are scared out of their minds over the upcoming election because they can’t beat him unless they can somehow get him out of office.


Hopefully she can get the nomination then...

They had a way to win. Not be stupid. Not be more insane than Trump.

Can you imagine the difference if the Democrats had just let the media attack Trump, and meanwhile had been the only sober voice of reason and decorum in public discourse? Trump completely yielded the high road, but the Democrats decided they preferred the ditch. They would have had a guaranteed walk in November, with ANY candidate, had they just shut up and endured four years of Trump.

The Democrats have always taken bad behaviour on the part of Republicans as license to do the same, but more. Since they have consistently portrayed Trump as quite literally the worst thing to hit mankind, ever, they’ve given themselves a free hand to act completely without any honour. There is no end to the moral rot in the Democratic Party, and it’s only going to get worse from here on. Look at what they’re doing to Bernie Sanders, AGAIN. They are shamelessly corrupt.

 

[justjess]

2018 Barr memo contradicts Trump's claim that abuse of power is unimpeachable

The 19-page document was written as Robert Mueller conducted his special investigation.

www.axios.com

 

[Lisa]

and meanwhile had been the only sober voice of reason and decorum in public discourse?

Lol, I don’t think they’ve ever been that....just look to Nancy Pelosi, the Clinton’s and creepy Joe..just to name a few.

 

[weskrongden]

Real quick, how is the economy crap?

In 1972, 80% of people under the age of 30 earned more than their parents. Now it's 50% and when you take into account all the debt, most young people are significantly worse off. People are strangled by debt and can't have families in many situations so the government decides to just import new people. Wages aren't keeping pace with expenses like housing, healthcare, and education. You should watch Tucker sometime.

 

[Thunderian]

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/12/03/42166145/what-60-minutes-missed-44-of-us-workers-earn-18000-per-year

And how many of those people earning a wage today weren’t earning one a year ago? Which is better — earning $18,000 a year, or earning nothing? Unemployment is at a record low, and wages are up across the board.

 

[Thunderian]

In 1972, 80% of people under the age of 30 earned more than their parents. Now it's 50% and when you take into account all the debt, most young people are significantly worse off. People are strangled by debt and can't have families in many situations so the government decides to just import new people. Wages aren't keeping pace with expenses like housing, healthcare, and education. You should watch Tucker sometime.

Pre-existing economic conditions are not Trump’s fault, and you still don’t have an argument against low unemployment and increased wages. I like Tucker, too, but broaden your sources a little. People I know in the US who were unemployed and despondent three years ago are making good money now and getting out of debt.

 

[justjess]

And how many of those people earning a wage today weren’t earning one a year ago? Which is better — earning $18,000 a year, or earning nothing? Unemployment is at a record low, and wages are up across the board.

As usual you chose to pick and choose which measures of the economy to harp on to support your view instead of the intellectually honest method of taking all measures into account to come up with a more accurate assessment..

Unemployment is down. The stock market is up (generally). True.

Underemployment is way up. Tons of people have entirely dropped out of the workforce which isn’t captured in unemployment numbers. Wages haven’t kept pace with inflation. And costs for basic life necessities are skyrocket, even surpassing inflation. Also all true.

The economy is great for a certain class of people, it absolutely sucks for everyone else.

 

[Thunderian]

As usual you chose to pick and choose which measures of the economy to harp on to support your view instead of the intellectually honest method of taking all measures into account to come up with a more accurate assessment..

Unemployment is down. The stock market is up (generally). True.

Underemployment is way up. Tons of people have entirely dropped out of the workforce which isn’t captured in unemployment numbers. Wages haven’t kept pace with inflation. And costs for basic life necessities are skyrocket, even surpassing inflation. Also all true.

The economy is great for a certain class of people, it absolutely sucks for everyone else.

Take any poll that was done recently — go ahead and Google it and pick whatever one appeals to you — and you’ll see that the majority of Americans feel that the present economy is good for them. How can you say it’s not working for anyone but a special class of Americans?

 

[justjess]

Take any poll that was done recently — go ahead and Google it and pick whatever one appeals to you — and you’ll see that the majority of Americans feel that the present economy is good for them. How can you say it’s not working for anyone but a special class of Americans?

Because I live here. Because I’m on the streets, in the trenches, reading EVERYTHING. The economy isn’t great if people are living paycheck to paycheck with no savings, no healthcare, no paid time off. I’m sorry. I really don’t care what a poll says. I don’t know who the hell they poll or how they choose them. I know numbers don’t lie. I know a google search of jobs in a one hour radius of my home shows a stark picture of how shitty things have become. I know economists have been saying it, report after report has been saying it but because people in polls are happy, because the stock market is up, because comparatively to the Great Recession we are thismuch better off all must be FABULOUS. Why do you ignore the vast majority of Americans on this board who have told you your mistaken?

Ever try living on 18,000 a year? How about with kids? Tell me how great things are then.

 

[Thunderian]

Because I live here. Because I’m on the streets, in the trenches, reading EVERYTHING. The economy isn’t great if people are living paycheck to paycheck with no savings, no healthcare, no paid time off. I’m sorry. I really don’t care what a poll says. I don’t know who the hell they poll or how they choose them. I know numbers don’t lie. I know a google search of jobs in a one hour radius of my home shows a stark picture of how shitty things have become. I know economists have been saying it, report after report has been saying it but because people in polls are happy, because the stock market is up, because comparatively to the Great Recession we are thismuch better off all must be FABULOUS. Why do you ignore the vast majority of Americans on this board who have told you your mistaken?

Ever try living on 18,000 a year? How about with kids? Tell me how great things are then.

OK, if things are so hardscrabble right now in the US, what does it say about the Democrats who have been wasting millions on investigations and the impeachment of Trump? Shouldn’t the failing economy be at the top of the agenda? They should be HAMMERING Trump on this. Yet, I can’t remember any of Trump’s political opponents even bringing it up. Trump is constantly talking about the economy and how great it is. If all that’s wrong, and things are terrible, what the hell is going on? Can you explain why not a single Democratic candidate has made the economy the number one issue in the 2020 election, especially when you can be sure it’s going to be the drum that Trump will be beating the loudest? Think about this and get back to me.

 

[Thunderian]

24 hours in, senators flout quaint impeachment rules

WASHINGTON (AP) — So much for the Senate's quaint rules and tradition. Almost immediately after Chief Justice John Roberts gaveled in Wednesday's session of President Donald Trump's impeachment trial, bored and weary senators started openly flouting some basic guidelines in a chamber that prizes...

apnews.com

 

[Aero]

Some fair points being raised here.

I've said it before Democrats have too many "hot" button issues. What I mean is, the libs have so many more opportunities to fight amongst themselves. Impeachment just adds to that constantly growing list of nothing burgers.

Of course, I'm not an expert, but I like burgers that have something in them. In essence, if they were selling food they would probably go out of business. Kind of odd how politics works that way though. In any case, I'm not going to eat a nothing burger and call it good. I'm not going to eat a rat burger either.

In conclusion, I think it's time we stop accepting theater. Or at least call it what it is. Gossip is a way to sedate the masses.

 

[weskrongden]

Pre-existing economic conditions are not Trump’s fault, and you still don’t have an argument against low unemployment and increased wages. I like Tucker, too, but broaden your sources a little. People I know in the US who were unemployed and despondent three years ago are making good money now and getting out of debt.

Anecdotal evidence isn't very valuable. All the data shows that the debt problem isn't getting any better, despite a few of your friends' situations. And despite a slight uptick in wages, it's not keeping pace with expenses. The problems pre-dated Trump but he hasn't done much to fix them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1219456651494715393

The low unemployment is good, but I can get a little wonky on you. We've been running a stimulus based economy with both expansive fiscal and monetary policy for Trump's entire presidency. When you run an economy with tax cuts, high government spending and keep interest rates low, you should spur economic growth in the short run. It's pretty irresponsible to run that type of economy for 4 straight years. You should have noticed Trump loses his shit everytime the Fed talks about raising interest rates and cutting off the funny money supply.