When Religion And Conspiracy Theories Collide.

elsbet

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Couldn't agree more.

Terrifying isn't it?
Always has been-- but the older I get, the more I realize I never really thought it would get this far, in my lifetime. I was tuned in, though, when I was still a kid (before the internets were literally everywhere).
 

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So the reason why our resident Christian Zionists want you to believe in their bible prophecy and not learn anything about the real conspiracy is laid out here.

At this point you should be more concerned with Luciferean psycopaths than Gods wrath.

It also answers the question why the likes of Lisa here portray christianity as a mental health issue. There job is to destroy christianity to help usher in their new (age) world order.

Old material but a good refresher. Not sure why they slipped in a part about cultural marxism but whatever. :) I'm saying "old" as in like 2005 or something. I'm sure many here have known about the US Federal reserve, Zio-Rothschilds, the architecture of Washington, (the name Columbia wasn't mentioned but is notable), Freemason presidents and historical figures etc., even years before the popular internet.

What I gather from your post is that if in 2020 someone hasn't even investigated the base level conspiracy 101 topics... they're a tool. There's a few here still waving the flag of AmerKKKa, cheer-leading endless wars, supporting perverse figures like Drumph, Netenyahu, and Johnson, while posting sermons from Jerry Falwell and links to Rothschild owned Reuters News or Daily Mail. They talk about homosexuality and abortion while their murdering "Christian" nation has been involved in 100's of military operations terrorizing the world. I say get educated or go hang at an Evangelical site.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States
 

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Old material but a good refresher. Not sure why they slipped in a part about cultural marxism but whatever. :) I'm saying "old" as in like 2005 or something. I'm sure many here have known about the US Federal reserve, Zio-Rothschilds, the architecture of Washington, (the name Columbia wasn't mentioned but is notable), Freemason presidents and historical figures etc., even years before the popular internet.

What I gather from your post is that if in 2020 someone hasn't even investigated the base level conspiracy 101 topics... they're a tool. There's a few here still waving the flag of AmerKKKa, cheer-leading endless wars, supporting perverse figures like Drumph, Netenyahu, and Johnson, while posting sermons from Jerry Falwell and links to Rothschild owned Reuters News or Daily Mail. They talk about homosexuality and abortion while their murdering "Christian" nation has been involved in 100's of military operations terrorizing the world. I say get educated or go hang at an Evangelical site.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States
Well at least one person here understands my frustrations. Thanks for getting across what I didn't manage to.
 

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Old material but a good refresher. Not sure why they slipped in a part about cultural marxism but whatever. :) I'm saying "old" as in like 2005 or something. I'm sure many here have known about the US Federal reserve, Zio-Rothschilds, the architecture of Washington, (the name Columbia wasn't mentioned but is notable), Freemason presidents and historical figures etc., even years before the popular internet.

What I gather from your post is that if in 2020 someone hasn't even investigated the base level conspiracy 101 topics... they're a tool. There's a few here still waving the flag of AmerKKKa, cheer-leading endless wars, supporting perverse figures like Drumph, Netenyahu, and Johnson, while posting sermons from Jerry Falwell and links to Rothschild owned Reuters News or Daily Mail. They talk about homosexuality and abortion while their murdering "Christian" nation has been involved in 100's of military operations terrorizing the world. I say get educated or go hang at an Evangelical site.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States
Would you admit that conflating American inconsistencies and shortcomings with Christianity is an example of Genetic Fallacy?

Would you further admit that you are suggesting that people with a a conspiratorial mindset are intellectually superior than people who give credence to the idea of divine inspiration of the Bible?
 

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Would you admit that conflating American inconsistencies and shortcomings with Christianity is an example of Genetic Fallacy?

Would you further admit that you are suggesting that people with a a conspiratorial mindset are intellectually superior than people who give credence to the idea of divine inspiration of the Bible?
I was about to reply to Awoken that IMO balance is necessary. What sets VC apart is his expression of faith while exposing the ills of society. I bet most of us joined partly because of our shared interest in spirituality, at least a familiarity with its themes.
No one's trying to destroy faith, but we should all be searching to have our world-views challenged. It's like @AspiringSoul said, we learn new things every year, our minds are always changing.

Obviously I'm angry about what I consider to be the failings of Christianity, which I can only speak of from my experience within the US. We've read some of each other's posts, you know my vibe. I loathe capitalism, banks, billionaires, illegal wars, exploitation and meanness in general. It's impossible to to share the same christology and eschatology as John Bolton and be on the road to heaven. So yeah Christianity in the West is in need of deep reforms to bring about the spirit of God. If 4 billion total Christians and Muslims were to unite there could be mass (righteous) transformation on the planet. (We also know who would like to keep us divided)

More is expected out of those declaring spiritual wisdom. By purifying our minds and body we gain clearness and, as the Bible says, knowledge of ALL THINGS. It's not about having a conspiratorial mindset, just an open mind. There are some simple truths of what is good and what is evil, and these are the beginner-basics to every religious tradition. It's shocking there isn't more agreement of our basic principles. Some of us are acting out, crying for unity. Hopefully we can find some type of common ground and build from there.
 

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Would you admit that conflating American inconsistencies and shortcomings with Christianity is an example of Genetic Fallacy?

Would you further admit that you are suggesting that people with a a conspiratorial mindset are intellectually superior than people who give credence to the idea of divine inspiration of the Bible?

I'm not trying to answer for DavidSon here but from what I can gather the term Christian Zionist is an oxymoron.

Am I wrong in assuming that the Zionist Christian has introduced some small print to the ten commadments? All the small print appears to favour Israel and their plan to forward the greater Israel project or am I not understanding things correctly?

Just one example will suffice.

Thou shall not kill..... but it's ok to kill Palestinians, Muslims or anybody else who gets in the way.

That doesn't sound very Christian to me Red, does it to you?
 

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You could apply this take to almost any religion. I remain uncomfortable with your atheist views not including Muslims in that they too are religious, believe in God and have varying beliefs under the roof of their philosophies. Why do they get a pass with your problem with organized religion?

In short, I ask again, why do you focus mainly on Christians? And further, do you really think the Christians you speak of are representative of the average or whole? Here is a what if.... what if Christians were eliminated from Earth. Would you turn your attention to other religions then? If Christianity was eliminated, what would happen in the world then? How would that play into the PTB's you worry with who are Lucuifarians. I mean, would it not accelerate their agenda?

It just seems odd that some cannot see that religious types in a conspiracy forum have altered the Word to fit their take and therefore not all who speak of Christianity are really sound in their doctrine or seeing things objectively. Objectivity is something a few here are saying they have whilst only fitting it to their views. There is no doubt that gullible people have fallen for sheep in wolves' clothing in some Christian communities. But I see the same forces at work in everything.
 
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I was about to reply to Awoken that IMO balance is necessary. What sets VC apart is his expression of faith while exposing the ills of society. I bet most of us joined partly because of our shared interest in spirituality, at least a familiarity with its themes.
No one's trying to destroy faith, but we should all be searching to have our world-views challenged. It's like @AspiringSoul said, we learn new things every year, our minds are always changing.

Obviously I'm angry about what I consider to be the failings of Christianity, which I can only speak of from my experience within the US. We've read some of each other's posts, you know my vibe. I loathe capitalism, banks, billionaires, illegal wars, exploitation and meanness in general. It's impossible to to share the same christology and eschatology as John Bolton and be on the road to heaven. So yeah Christianity in the West is in need of deep reforms to bring about the spirit of God. If 4 billion total Christians and Muslims were to unite there could be mass (righteous) transformation on the planet. (We also know who would like to keep us divided)

More is expected out of those declaring spiritual wisdom. By purifying our minds and body we gain clearness and, as the Bible says, knowledge of ALL THINGS. It's not about having a conspiratorial mindset, just an open mind. There are some simple truths of what is good and what is evil, and these are the beginner-basics to every religious tradition. It's shocking there isn't more agreement of our basic principles. Some of us are acting out, crying for unity. Hopefully we can find some type of common ground and build from there.
"So yeah Christianity in the West is in need of deep reforms to bring about the spirit of God."
Do you think a return to the Jubilee Year standard would help?
 

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"So yeah Christianity in the West is in need of deep reforms to bring about the spirit of God."
Do you think a return to the Jubilee Year standard would help?
I wish ancient statues like that could be enforced. Mandatory kindness lol. My hope is for masses of people to hold our leaders/elected officials accountable. @bible_student started a thread about the 501c designation of churches. The church gives up their right to be involved politically, all to save on taxes. "Filthy lucre" as is said. It's common knowledge the Protestant base in the US is the reason Drumph was elected; we can't stop railing against this type of hypocrisy.
 

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I wish ancient statues like that could be enforced. Mandatory kindness lol. My hope is for masses of people to start holding our leaders/elected officials accountable. @bible_student started a thread about the 501c designation of churches. The church gives up their right to be involved politically, all to save on taxes. "Filthy lucre" as is said. It's common knowledge the Protestant base in the US is the reason Drumph was elected; we can't stop railing against this type of hypocrisy.
Id enjoy seeing some of these "prosperity doctrine" snake-oil salesmen explain how the Prince of Peace himself had it all wrong lol
 

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Some are mixing politics and religion now. Not an elixir for truth. As for prosperity preachers mentioned, no real Christian has an issue if they are exposed to the polluted false doctrines they teach. I know a lot of people who think they are well to do Christians and with a Joel Osteen approach to life who do not realize how far they are from the truth.

And no offense to anyone, but the liberal takes herein are out of place as always but a part of some people's agenda in ALL discussions. The nonstop shots at the same old folks are telling when the subject has nothing to do with it. Also, anyone can call themself a bible student while in actuality trying to deceive those into thinking they are a Christian when in fact they want to lead them astray. We have some whack ass people here with some really strange views or a take on religion that have maybe 0.001 % or less of people agreeing with their fantastical take, meaning they are outliers to the norm, not to mention full of ridiculous deception.

To each their own with concern to beliefs, but do not act like your version of the truth fits all.
 
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Some are mixing politics and religion now. Not an elixir for truth.
I think on these boards, most of us are trying to get to the truth, despite their religious beliefs. There are some that claim to be religious but don’t seem to care about the state of humanity in any way, shape or form. I think that’s what Awoken is trying to figure out. If religion is giving the middle finger to certain individuals, why does one practice a faith that appears to hate or seem apathetic to parts of humanity? This could be my perception of religion but it would be my guess that the faith you follow brings you closer to God and your fellow man, NOT farther away. If you’re in a part of the world that the TPTB want control due to its natural resources and location, we get posts and posts of bible passages attempting to justify the horrific events in that region. Personally, I think it’s sad and an intellectually lazy stance, but to each their own.
As for prosperity preachers mentioned, no real Christian has an issue if they are exposed to the polluted false doctrines they teach. I know a lot of people who think they are well to do Christians and with a Joel Osteen approach to life who do not realize how far they are from the truth.
Agree to an extent. I would like to think that ALL TV preachers should be seen with a side-eye and skepticism, however, there are some on here that will again, justify what it is he and his ilk might say because it makes them feel good and there's no cognitive dissonance, perhaps? It should be a known anyone who preaches on television to deliver “Christianity Inc.” only does so, being approved by the TPTB.
And no offense to anyone, but the liberal takes herein are out of place as always but a part of some people's agenda in ALL discussions.
I completely disagree and also take offence. Seeing what the current “conservative” views have done where I live, I’ll pass as they stand for arrogant ignorance, all for corporate welfare, sticking it to middle class while simultaneously gutting it. Added to the fact they DO NOT like people to be further educated and/or have the ability to afford it, the conservatives could simply agree to disagree but that doesn’t seem to be the case because they want and appear to thrive on division because it weakens communities. Speaking of which, when you’re calling “sides”, you’re letting us know this is how you view the world and that’s through a lens of polarization. I think any political party that would allow an individual to be the best version of who they can be would be the ultimate “party”, but we know that doesn’t exist, and I get the sense there’s an unlikelihood that it ever will.

The nonstop shots at the same old folks are telling when the subject has nothing to do with it. Also, anyone can call themself a bible student while in actuality trying to deceive those into thinking they are a Christian when in fact they want to lead them astray. We have some whack ass people here with some really strange views or a take on religion that have maybe 0.001 % or less of people agreeing with their fantastical take, meaning they are outliers to the norm, not to mention full of ridiculous deception.

To each their own with concern to beliefs, but do not act like your version of the truth fits all.
Yeah, there’s a lot of stuff on here that people can skim through and don’t need to read as there are people on here with different motives and intentions. Anyone with a critical mindset and knows who’s and what’s at the top of all the suffering and creating chaos in the world, and as Todd stated, we can do what we can to make the change we can in our own corner of it.
 
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This could be my perception of religion but it would be my guess that the faith you follow brings you closer to God and your fellow man, NOT farther away.
I would say that faith should bring you closer to God. What do you mean by closer to your fellow man?

I would like to think that ALL TV preachers should be seen with a side-eye and skepticism
No doubt..they should!
 

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Old material but a good refresher. Not sure why they slipped in a part about cultural marxism but whatever. :) I'm saying "old" as in like 2005 or something. I'm sure many here have known about the US Federal reserve, Zio-Rothschilds, the architecture of Washington, (the name Columbia wasn't mentioned but is notable), Freemason presidents and historical figures etc., even years before the popular internet.

What I gather from your post is that if in 2020 someone hasn't even investigated the base level conspiracy 101 topics... they're a tool. There's a few here still waving the flag of AmerKKKa, cheer-leading endless wars, supporting perverse figures like Drumph, Netenyahu, and Johnson, while posting sermons from Jerry Falwell and links to Rothschild owned Reuters News or Daily Mail. They talk about homosexuality and abortion while their murdering "Christian" nation has been involved in 100's of military operations terrorizing the world. I say get educated or go hang at an Evangelical site.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States
"Evangelical" has become a bit of a misnomer.

If anyone has a platform on television, or any other form of corporate media, it is probably safe to assume they sold out a long time ago.
 

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Some are mixing politics and religion now. Not an elixir for truth. As for prosperity preachers mentioned, no real Christian has an issue if they are exposed to the polluted false doctrines they teach. I know a lot of people who think they are well to do Christians and with a Joel Osteen approach to life who do not realize how far they are from the truth.

And no offense to anyone, but the liberal takes herein are out of place as always but a part of some people's agenda in ALL discussions. The nonstop shots at the same old folks are telling when the subject has nothing to do with it. Also, anyone can call themself a bible student while in actuality trying to deceive those into thinking they are a Christian when in fact they want to lead them astray. We have some whack ass people here with some really strange views or a take on religion that have maybe 0.001 % or less of people agreeing with their fantastical take, meaning they are outliers to the norm, not to mention full of ridiculous deception.

To each their own with concern to beliefs, but do not act like your version of the truth fits all.
You seem to have a problem with strong opinions...are you sure forum life is for you?.. it's not sounding much fun from your end.

I will expose liars and cheats all day every day for fun because I've had enough of being treated like a mindless sheep.

Will get back to you on tbe rest of it when I can be bothered. You oppose EVERYTHING some people say on here...one of them some.people is me.

Why is this?

think on these boards, most of us are trying to get to the truth, despite their religious beliefs. There are some that claim to be religious but don’t seem to care about the state of humanity in any way, shape or form. I think that’s what Awoken is trying to figure out.
You are bang on tbe money with this OM so thanks for saying it.

It's nice to know that some people have noticed what I'm trying to do.
 

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Let me ask the OP question in a slightly different way.

Why is God trying to scare everybody shitless?

Huge fires, earthquakes , volcanoes, impeding war, passing asteroids and devastating weather. People all over the world on varying levels are all feeling ONE thing.


And why do OT bible prophesies ALL happen to predict what's now laughed at on here as conspiracy theory?

In fact the OT believers here seem to want to convince you that it's all Gods plan....so just pray...and wait...and do nothing.

Not good advice I'd say.
 
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