Human Beings Are The Fallen Angels Who Fought Alongside Lucifer

[Pan]

All have sinned and all are going to the same punishment if they don’t choose Jesus which tells me that there isn’t such a thing as a super sinner to God..all sin is bad and all sin will be punished the same way.

So you're saying that if a person was to spit on someone

And if another person was to violate a child, murder it and eat the body.

Both are seen as equal sinners in the eyes of God?

How convenient for Hillary Clinton.

 

[Lisa]

So you're saying that if a person was to spit on someone

And if another person was to violate a child, murder it and eat the body.

Both are seen as equal sinners in the eyes of God?

How convenient for Hillary Clinton.

I don’t think it’s convenient for anyone. What’s good though is that Jesus died for sinners and can be saved by the blood of Jesus.

 

[AspiringSoul]

You’d have to be an idiot to believe that.

that's rich..

 

[shankara]

Who doesn’t know the story of Lucifer and his fallen angels?

Everyone knows this profound pre-world history. The arrogant and selfish angel Lucifer recruited other angels in heaven to fight against God. He wanted to take the Lord’s place and rule the heavens in his own selfish style. But Prince Michael and His army defeated these rebel angels. And they were all sentenced to death for their treason.

But God, with His infinite mercy, love and wisdom, decided not to execute them immediately. He gave them a stay; an extended stay on the prison planet Earth. It was created for them so that they could be taught to be good again. All angels/souls submitted to becoming Adams and Eves, human-animal bodies to prove they could be good and earn their right to enter heaven again as beings/angels. All of them agreed, except Lucifer.

Now, all humans (fallen angels) are walking in the shadow of the death-sentence until Judgment Day, where each soul will be judged on individual merits. Those who want to become good again, by being obedient to the Laws of God, will earn their pardon. Those wicked beings who mislead others; and who still side with Lucifer’s views will be first into the hell-fire after him. Lucifer still has his super human powers and can tempt, test and even reward humans with worldly treasures and power. Remember, he offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if He would bow down to him. But Jesus, God’s son, knew the Law and was the living Word of it. His mission was to demonstrate by example The Way a human-being must be (act, speak and believe) to go Home. He proved a soul/Being inside a human could be good. And when He left, He left the Holy Spirit to guide human-beings. This means each soul had direct communication with Father which art in heaven.

The Old Testament isn’t null and void through Jesus’ crucifixion. He said to keep the Law, which is found in the Torah, the first five books of the Bible. Some things did change. For example, animal sacrifice turned into “self” sacrifice. He said that unless human-beings chose be born again as their spirits, they could not enter heaven again. Using the Holy Spirit, direct communication with Father, they could learn to crucify (control) their “selves”, through their spirits’ desire to be good again.

A soul needs to put his spirit in control of the cross he bears- his human-animal body. If he extends his arms to the side, he can easily see the cross he bears, the one he is trapped inside.

Unfortunately, most everyone wants to be an animal. They want to over indulge- eat more than their share; have more than their share; and hoard to themselves, instead of sharing with goodness. Each human-being must crucify “self” and his “self-righteousness”. Self- righteousness is just satanic arrogance.

Human-beings must be keen to be humble, faithful and loyal to God only. It’s their only way out of here. This prison planet is a finite world. Guardian angels are around. They help guide human-beings, but they also record every thought, word and action.

The BIBLE stands for Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth. Some believe it’s fallible, just a book written by man and is full of mistakes and alterations. They choose to believe this lie, because it’s in the best interest of their human. Satan’s biggest lie has been that people “are only human, after all.” This belief allows humans to do their will, not God’s Will.

Yes, evil humans did alter the Bible to some degree. For instance, members of the Synagogue of Satan removed the Book of Enoch and Gospel of Thomas, because they revealed too much truth and insight into human existence and the purpose of life. How could they control humans if they knew the truth? They certainly didn’t like losing control when Jesus preached the truth. But the truth is that the Bible is the Word and the messages about being obedient, and not rebelling, are repeated over and over within its pages.

With what human beings should know by now, those in the Synagogue of Satan should be shaking in their shoes. Instead they are laughing, because they have deceived everyone. They see everyone as an animal, but basically that’s what people choose to be.

The big question is why are human beings listening to their fellow prisoners and following their un-Godly laws, bad advice, and insanity?

Fallen angels have been given 6,000 years to learn to be good by their own free choice, through a course of hundreds of lifetimes. With the world in the state it’s in and the Synagogue of Satan in absolute control, do they need any more time?

Think of it this way. The body is a vehicle; either God’s inner voice or Satan’s inner voice is driving it. You have to choose who is captain and discern if you are being guided by God or Satan, good or evil. Practice how to know the difference.

Note: the Synagogue of Satan knows what works to control the masses: Fear. Turn fear into faith, return to the Law of God, and He will fight the battle.

Source and inspiration: www.thewayhomeorfacethefire.net

Check out more articles at hannahmichaels.wordpress.com

It's a nice story but I don't think it's the final, ultimate, absolute truth about everything. Actually it seems like you are missing the symbolic implications of the Biblical and Quranic stories. This whole thing about Lucifer and Christ each being individual entities is a bit silly, in fact they are cosmic principles which exist everywhere in the universe, including on other "prison" planets like this where there has been some kind of problem in the process of the beings' spiritual evolution.

In fact Christ is manifested in all those who serve and struggle for the light and Lucifer is manifested in these who are the "tenebrous brotherhood". Neither are individual personalities.

I also think there is a little bit of fear rhetoric involved, in the sense that you are saying that those who miss the opportunity for salvation will be eternally condemned (please correct me if I'm wrong)... Perhaps if your "guru" were familiar with Buddhist and Hindu ideas he would be familiar with the notion of hell being temporary, a place to pay karma.

 

[phipps]

What nonsense. Angels, good and bad were created before human beings. The Bible tells us at one time all angels were good but the highest angel of heaven, named Lucifer, turned against God. He became Satan, the enemy, and persuaded a third of the other angels to join in his rebellion. “War broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought” (Revelation 12:7). This battle helps us understand the root of sin in our world. It all began with a single fallen angel in heaven. “His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth” (Revelation12:4).

So how can these evil angels be human? They were created not born. And the Bible tells us that someday all these evil angels, who are very real, will be destroyed. Jesus spoke of their end in the parable of the sheep and goats. “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Matthew 25:41). Hell was meant for only Satan and his demons. The evil or fallen angels also know their doom is coming. They asked Jesus in Matthew 8:29 if He had “come to torment [them] before the time.”

Not all humans beings are going to be destroyed in everlasting fire. Only the unrighteous who did not submit to Christ. All evil angels are going to be destroyed with their leader Satan. We are warned, "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” (Revelation12:12). The devil and his angels know they have a short time before they die eternally in the everlasting fire.

 

[bible_student]

What nonsense. Angels, good and bad were created before human beings. The Bible tells us at one time all angels were good but the highest angel of heaven, named Lucifer, turned against God. He became Satan, the enemy, and persuaded a third of the other angels to join in his rebellion. “War broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought” (Revelation 12:7). This battle helps us understand the root of sin in our world. It all began with a single fallen angel in heaven. “His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth” (Revelation12:4).

So how can these evil angels be human?

By being incarnated (locked inside of human animal bodies, like you, like me).

They were created not born.

We (our souls/beings) were also created not born. The temporary human body is born and then it serves as a prison cell and teaching tool for the condemned angel/soul who is placed inside of it.

And the Bible tells us that someday all these evil angels, who are very real, will be destroyed.

Agreed, except for the ones who accept Christ and learn to be good.

Jesus spoke of their end in the parable of the sheep and goats. “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Matthew 25:41).

Correct.

Hell was meant for only Satan and his demons.

Hell is where you are now. The Earth is Hell. This is it. The flames are only on the Last Day:

TWH
11:40 Another way in which religions and priests have been used, by Satan, to fool you all, is with
their stupid story, that, if you are good, in your present human-life, then you will go to heaven; and,
if you are bad, in your present human-life, then you will go to Hell. YOU ARE ALREADY IN
HELL, and you have been here for thousands of human years. Hell is not a place with flames, and a
man with a fork, and a pointed tail and horns. THIS IS IT! The flames are only on the Last-Day,
HERE, to destroy the evil souls (Matthew 13:36-42, 49-50).

Jesus was speaking to the people in front of him (including his disciples) when he said that. He spoke of the people (nations) that will be separated and the ones who will be placed on his left hand and said THEY will go into the place that is prepared for the Devil and his angels (in other words, it is prepared for them). It's a simple and clear statement of fact.

The evil or fallen angels also know their doom is coming. They asked Jesus in Matthew 8:29 if He had “come to torment [them] before the time.”

There is another group of fallen angels as well, that are described in the book of Enoch, from the watcher angels who sinned. Which also proves that angels have been created with free-will. (Without free-will they could not have made a decision to sin). According to the Book of Enoch the offspring of the watchers (the giants) became known as demons on the earth.

Not all humans beings are going to be destroyed in everlasting fire.

Note well that Jesus specifically said that the "Fire" is prepared for the devil and his angels. - Matt. 25:41
Jesus didn't say, that those on the left hand will join the devil and his angels.
He said they will go into the place prepared for the devil and his angels (it is prepared for them and for them alone).

Only the unrighteous who did not submit to Christ.

People would have no need to submit to God and Christ, if they were not existing in a state of rebellion AGAINST God and Christ. That the Bible says to repent and submit to Christ therefore proves human+beings are the fallen rebel angels (from the rebellion in heaven who were cast out to the earth). Jesus told his disciples straight out, that they were evil.

All evil angels are going to be destroyed with their leader Satan. We are warned, "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” (Revelation12:12). The devil and his angels know they have a short time before they die eternally in the everlasting fire.

Agreed, we are warned.
Think about it.
If the warning about "the devil and his angels" is for some other group (in other words not human beings) then it would not have been given to and directed at human beings by Jesus.
Revelation makes clear that Satan and his angels were cast down out of heaven, onto the earth.
The Earth is th place where Satan and his angels (whether formerly, or still currently) are therefore living today.
The Earth is a very dark and very evil place. It's full of r*pe, full of murder, full of theft, full of abuse, exploitation, greed, destruction, hatred, war.. and other evils.
NONE of that could happen on a normal planet and within a normal (sane) society, it can only happen in one place: Hell (i.e. the Prison Planet Earth).

TWH
11:45 What is absolutely astounding, is that you actually believe that you are good, and that what
happens on this planet is NORMAL. Do you actually believe, that all this evil; cruelty; selfishness;
murder; r*pe; theft; child-molesting; etc., could happen on a NORMAL civilized planet? It could not
happen anywhere else but in Hell, which is exactly where you all are, and where all this evil
happens. You don’t know the meaning of the words, civilized, and good (Isaiah 64:6), and that is
one of the reasons why you are still here.

 

[phipps]

By being incarnated (locked inside of human animal bodies, like you, like me).


We (our souls/beings) were also created not born. The temporary human body is born and then it serves as a prison cell and teaching tool for the condemned angel/soul who is placed inside of it.

Agreed, except for the ones who accept Christ and learn to be good.

Correct.

Hell is where you are now. The Earth is Hell. This is it. The flames are only on the Last Day:

TWH
11:40 Another way in which religions and priests have been used, by Satan, to fool you all, is with
their stupid story, that, if you are good, in your present human-life, then you will go to heaven; and,
if you are bad, in your present human-life, then you will go to Hell. YOU ARE ALREADY IN
HELL, and you have been here for thousands of human years. Hell is not a place with flames, and a
man with a fork, and a pointed tail and horns. THIS IS IT! The flames are only on the Last-Day,
HERE, to destroy the evil souls (Matthew 13:36-42, 49-50).

Jesus was speaking to th people in front of him when he said that. He spoke of the people (nations) that will be placed on his left hand and said THEY will go into the place prepared for the Devil and his angels.

It's a simple and clear statement of fact.

There is another group of fallen angels as well, that are described in the book of Enoch, from the watcher angels who sinned. Which also proves that angels have been created with free-will. (Without free-will they could not have made a decision to sin). According to the Book of Enoch the offspring of the watchers (the giants) became known a demons on the earth.

Note well that Jesus specifically said that the "Fire" is prepared for the devil and his angels. - Matt. 25:41

People would have no need to submit to God and Christ, if they were not existing in a state of rebellion.
That the Bible says to repent and submit to Christ therefore proves human+beings are the fallen rebel angels (from the rebellion in heaven who were cast out to the earth).
Jesus told his disciples that they were evil.

Agreed, we are warned.
Think about it.
If the warning about "the devil and his angels" is for some other group (in other words not human beings) then it would not have been given to and directed at human beings by Jesus.
Revelation makes clear that Satan and his angels were cast down out of heaven, onto the earth.
The Earth is th place where Satan and his (former) angels are therefore living today.
This planet is a very dark and evil place.
r*pe, murder, theft, abuse, exploitation, greed, destruction, hate, war.. etc.
NONE of that would happen in a normal society, it can only happen in one place: Hell (i.e. the Prison Planet Earth).

TWH
11:45 What is absolutely astounding, is that you actually believe that you are good, and that what
happens on this planet is NORMAL. Do you actually believe, that all this evil; cruelty; selfishness;
murder; r*pe; theft; child-molesting; etc., could happen on a NORMAL civilized planet? It could not
happen anywhere else but in Hell, which is exactly where you all are, and where all this evil
happens. You don’t know the meaning of the words, civilized, and good (Isaiah 64:6), and that is
one of the reasons why you are still here.

By being incarnated (locked inside of human animal bodies, like you, like me).

The Bible doesn't teach incarnation. You must get this from your other religions that aren't Christian. And they are not of God that's for sure.

We (our souls/beings) were also created not born. The temporary human body is born and then it serves as a prison cell and teaching tool for the condemned angel/soul who is placed inside of it.

Again not biblical. In the Bible a soul is both the spirit (breath) and physical body. "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" (Genesis 2:7).

Agreed, except for the ones who accept Christ and learn to be good.

No, the fate of Satan and all the fallen angels is set. The fallen are the evil angels and are the demons. It was set from before this earth was created and after the war in heaven after which Satan and all the fallen angels were thrown out of heaven. No fallen angel after that can "learn" to be good.

Hell is where you are now. The Earth is Hell. This is it. The flames are only on the Last Day:

TWH
11:40 Another way in which religions and priests have been used, by Satan, to fool you all, is with
their stupid story, that, if you are good, in your present human-life, then you will go to heaven; and,
if you are bad, in your present human-life, then you will go to Hell. YOU ARE ALREADY IN
HELL, and you have been here for thousands of human years. Hell is not a place with flames, and a
man with a fork, and a pointed tail and horns. THIS IS IT! The flames are only on the Last-Day,
HERE, to destroy the evil souls (Matthew 13:36-42, 49-50).

Jesus was speaking to th people in front of him when he said that. He spoke of the people (nations) that will be placed on his left hand and said THEY will go into the place prepared for the Devil and his angels.

It's a simple and clear statement of fact.

Again this is wrong. You've misunderstood the Parable of the tares in Matthew 13. The parable is about the wheat and tares (the followers and rejecters of God) growing together until the harvest. Christ explicitly taught in the parable of the wheat and the tares about the householder who had sown the wheat in the field, his servant came to report that tares were growing among the grain. His question was whether he should pull up the weeds while they were still very small. The householder's answer was, "No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn” (Matthew 13:29-30).

Jesus explains the meaning of the parable, “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:37-42).

Christ said the tares represented the wicked people, and that they would be cast into the fire "at the end of the world." The harvest is where the wheat and tares are separated. What is the harvest? Jesus said, "the harvest is the end of the age". How can anyone misconstrue these words of Christ?

So the earth is not hell. Peter states: "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." 2 Peter 3:7. Then he goes on to describe the day of the Lord which will melt the very elements with fervent heat. Hell will be on earth but that will be at the end of the world as Jesus and Peter clearly state.

There is another group of fallen angels as well, that are described in the book of Enoch, from the watcher angels who sinned. Which also proves that angels have been created with free-will. (Without free-will they could not have made a decision to sin). According to the Book of Enoch the offspring of the watchers (the giants) became known a demons on the earth.

The book of Enoch is not scripture or inspired by God. But I don't believe I said angels were created without free will. We didn't discuss it here. I know they were created with free will. God created all His intelligent beings with free will and that means they have choice to choose right or wrong. Satan demonstrated his free will when he rebelled against God in heaven, as did the the the third of all angels he convinced and sinned with.

The giants in the Bible were people. Angels cannot become people or procreate with people since they don't have sex organs or the same bodies as people. The book of Enoch contradicts the Bible and that is why its not part of it. There are demons on this earth but those are the fallen or evil angels who were thrown out of heaven with Satan.

Note well that Jesus specifically said that the "Fire" is prepared for the devil and his angels. - Matt. 25:41

You don't get it. The fallen angels are the devil and his angels. They are also called demons in the Bible and those are the ones who communicated with Jesus in Matthew 8 as I posted above. Your claim that humans are fallen angels is wrong. So I was making the point that all fallen angels are going to hell but not all human beings are. Only the unrighteous human beings are going to hell.

People would have no need to submit to God and Christ, if they were not existing in a state of rebellion AGAINST God and Christ. That the Bible says to repent and submit to Christ therefore proves human+beings are the fallen rebel angels (from the rebellion in heaven who were cast out to the earth). Jesus told his disciples straight out, that they were evil.

We live in a sinful world since Adam and Eve sinned. However our situation as people is different to that of the fallen angels. We are in the middle of a spiritual war between Christ and Satan. Satan wants us destroyed because he knows God loves us. So God provided a way for us to be saved if we so choose. The fallen angels rebellion in heaven was different. We don't know much about it. Maybe God gave them chances to repent but after the war in heaven that was it for them. They were doomed and will destroyed in hell fire at the end. So your proofs are wrong and not at all based on the Bible. You are misquoting and misinterpreting it. People are not fallen angels. Fallen angels are not people. Angels whether they are good or bad (fallen, evil, demons) are higher beings than people. They were created not born and they do not procreate. And fallen angels did NOT incarnate into humans. That is a pagan teaching that has no place in Christendom.

Agreed, we are warned.
Think about it.
If the warning about "the devil and his angels" is for some other group (in other words not human beings) then it would not have been given to and directed at human beings by Jesus.
Revelation makes clear that Satan and his angels were cast down out of heaven, onto the earth.
The Earth is th place where Satan and his angels (whether formerly, or still currently) are therefore living today.
The Earth is a very dark and very evil place. It's full of r*pe, full of murder, full of theft, full of abuse, exploitation, greed, destruction, hatred, war.. and other evils.
NONE of that could happen on a normal planet and within a normal (sane) society, it can only happen in one place: Hell (i.e. the Prison Planet Earth).

Fallen angels = evil angels = demons. They are all one and the same and they are all going to hell and be destroyed forever. Satan and his demons brought sin into this earth but it will come to an end when God destroys Satan and his demons and the unrighteous people in hell. Do you know when hell is going to happen? According to the Bible after the 1000 years when the Jesus and the righteous will come back on earth in the New Jerusalem (Revelation 20:4-15). After the events of all that (Revelation 20:9, Revelation 21:8) is when rain is going to come from heaven and that is when hell will happen. Not before and certainly not now!

TWH
11:45 What is absolutely astounding, is that you actually believe that you are good, and that what
happens on this planet is NORMAL. Do you actually believe, that all this evil; cruelty; selfishness;
murder; r*pe; theft; child-molesting; etc., could happen on a NORMAL civilized planet? It could not
happen anywhere else but in Hell, which is exactly where you all are, and where all this evil
happens.

I believe I am good but not completely. I still have a long way to go. I'm still growing in Christ but I can't be good on my own can I? It all comes from Christ.

"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them." Ezekiel 36:26-27.

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9.

I don't think what happens in this earth is normal nor have I told you that. Stop putting words in my mouth. We haven't discussed this at all for you to jump to such conclusions. This world is in bad state and has been since Adam and Even sinned in the garden of Eden. The Bible tells us that things will become worse. Jesus came down to earth to live and die for us to save us from sin and our lives eternally. The devil is becoming more desperate because his time is really short now. Its not long before the harvest when Christ comes back for His people the second time. However this earth is not hell nor does the Bible say so. Yes its becoming increasingly hard to live in it but hell will be at a specific time. That is what the Bible teaches.

You don’t know the meaning of the words, civilized, and good (Isaiah 64:6), and that is
one of the reasons why you are still here.

And you do? Our righteousness is like filthy rags as Isaiah said but we can have on the garment of Christ's righteousness as He taught in Matthew 22:13. Jesus confirmed that those who do not have the right wedding garment (the righteousness of Christ) will be forever lost and cast into the lake of fire. We might 'profess' to be followers of Jesus, which is why the man in the parable is actually at the wedding. But a mere profession does nothing for us. We must have the garment of Christ to be saved.

Why are you still here?

You are not speaking according to the Bible and that is because of your mixtures of beliefs in different religions. Its New ageism isn't it? It Satan's way of mixing truth with lies.

 

[bible_student]

The Bible doesn't teach incarnation. You must get this from your other religions that aren't Christian. And they are not of God that's for sure.



Again not biblical. In the Bible a soul is both the spirit (breath) and physical body. "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" (Genesis 2:7).



No, the fate of Satan and all the fallen angels is set. The fallen are the evil angels and are the demons. It was set from before this earth was created and after the war in heaven after which Satan and all the fallen angels were thrown out of heaven. No fallen angel after that can "learn" to be good.



Again this is wrong. You've misunderstood the Parable of the tares in Matthew 13. The parable is about the wheat and tares (the followers and rejecters of God) growing together until the harvest. Christ explicitly taught in the parable of the wheat and the tares about the householder who had sown the wheat in the field, his servant came to report that tares were growing among the grain. His question was whether he should pull up the weeds while they were still very small. The householder's answer was, "No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn” (Matthew 13:29-30).

Jesus explains the meaning of the parable, “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:37-42).

Christ said the tares represented the wicked people, and that they would be cast into the fire "at the end of the world." The harvest is where the wheat and tares are separated. What is the harvest? Jesus said, "the harvest is the end of the age". How can anyone misconstrue these words of Christ?

So the earth is not hell. Peter states: "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." 2 Peter 3:7. Then he goes on to describe the day of the Lord which will melt the very elements with fervent heat. Hell will be on earth but that will be at the end of the world as Jesus and Peter clearly state.



The book of Enoch is not scripture or inspired by God. But I don't believe I said angels were created without free will. We didn't discuss it here. I know they were created with free will. God created all His intelligent beings with free will and that means they have choice to choose right or wrong. Satan demonstrated his free will when he rebelled against God in heaven, as did the the the third of all angels he convinced and sinned with.

The giants in the Bible were people. Angels cannot become people or procreate with people since they don't have sex organs or the same bodies as people. The book of Enoch contradicts the Bible and that is why its not part of it. There are demons on this earth but those are the fallen or evil angels who were thrown out of heaven with Satan.



You don't get it. The fallen angels are the devil and his angels. They are also called demons in the Bible and those are the ones who communicated with Jesus in Matthew 8 as I posted above. Your claim that humans are fallen angels is wrong. So I was making the point that all fallen angels are going to hell but not all human beings are. Only the unrighteous human beings are going to hell.



We live in a sinful world since Adam and Eve sinned. However our situation as people is different to that of the fallen angels. We are in the middle of a spiritual war between Christ and Satan. Satan wants us destroyed because he knows God loves us. So god provided a way for us to be saved if we so choose. The fallen angels rebellion in heaven was different. We don't know much about it. Maybe God gave them chances to repent but after the war in heaven that was it for them. They were doomed and will destroyed in hell fire at the end. So your proofs are wrong and not at all based on the Bible. You are misquoting and misinterpreting it. People are not fallen angels. Fallen angels are not people. Angels whether they are good or bad (fallen, evil, demons) are higher beings than people. They were created not born and they do not procreate. And fallen angels did NOT incarnate into humans. That is a pagan teaching that has no place in Christendom.



Fallen angels = evil angels = demons. They are all one and the same and they are all going to hell and be destroyed forever. Satan and his demons brought sin into this earth but it will come to an end when God destroys Satan and his demons and the unrighteous people in hell. Do you know when hell is going to happen? According to the Bible after the 1000 years when the Jesus and the righteous will come back on earth in the New Jerusalem (Revelation 20:4-15). After the events of all that (Revelation 20:9, Revelation 21:8) is when rain is going to come from heaven and that is when hell will happen. Not before and certainly not now!



I believe I am good but not completely. I still have a long way to go. I'm still growing in Christ but I can't be good on my own can I? It all comes from Christ.

"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them." Ezekiel 36:26-27.

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9.

I don't think what happens in this earth is normal nor have I told you that. Stop putting words in my mouth. We haven't discussed this at all for you to jump to such conclusions. This world is in bad state and has been since Adam and Even sinned in the garden of Eden. The Bible tells us that things will become worse. Jesus came down to earth to live and die for us to save us from sin and our lives eternally. The devil is becoming more desperate because his time is really short now. Its not long before the harvest when Christ comes back for His people the second time. However this earth is not hell nor does the Bible say so. Yes its becoming increasingly hard to live in it but hell will be at a specific time. That is what the Bible teaches.



And you do? Our righteousness is like filthy rags as Isaiah said but we can have on the garment of Christ's righteousness as e taught in Matthew 22:13. Jesus confirmed that those who do not have the right wedding garment (the righteousness of Christ) will be forever lost and cast into the lake of fire. We might 'profess' to be followers of Jesus, which is why the man in the parable is actually at the wedding. But a mere profession does nothing for us. We must have the garment of Christ to be saved.

Why are you still here?

You are not speaking according to the Bible and that is because of your mixtures of beliefs in different religions. Its New ageism isn't it? It Satan's way of mixing truth with lies.

The original sin was committed in heaven, by the 1/3 of the beings who believed Lucifer's lies and slander against The Lord God and then joined his army to fight the war against God.

Revelation
12:4 And his tale (of lies - John 8:35) drew the third part of the "Stars" (ch. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Christ - Second Coming).
12:5 And she brought forth a Man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] His Throne.
12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore "days" (years).
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the Earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).
12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and The Kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their (human) lives unto the death (John 12:25).
12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the "earth" and of the "sea"! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time (6,000 years).
12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast onto the Earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].
12:14 And to the woman (Israel) were given two wings of a great eagle (Ex. 19:4), that she might fly into the wilderness (Britain), into her place, where she is nourished for a Time, and Times (2), and half a Time (1260 "days") (Dan. 12:7), from the face of the serpent.
12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth "water" (ch. 17:15) as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away (destroyed) by the flood.
12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which KEEP the Commandments of God, and have the Testimony of Christ Jesus (the Bible).

TWHOFTF
4:11 The serpent (Satan the liar/devil) told Eve that God was lying to her, and that if she believed
him, instead of God, she would be like God, which, of course, coming from the liar (devil), was a
LIE.
4:12 Eve believed the liar (devil), instead of God, and convinced Adam to believe the liar too,
repeating, for a second time, the “original sin” that had caused the war, and, from that day; EXACTLY
as God (the TRUTH/WORD - John 1:1-5) told them; people have been dying ever since. So God told
you the TRUTH, as He always does, and Satan deceived you all, yet again (Rev. 12:9), as he still does
today.
4:13 So the war, that Lucifer started in heaven, with his slanderous lies, has continued, in a war between
good (God) and evil (devil), here on Earth, ever since, killing billions of human bodies.
4:14 By believing the liar/devil, instead of God, Adam (man) and Eve (woman) were calling God a
liar/devil, and the liar/devil God. God says: “Woe to those who call good (God), evil (devil) and evil,
good”.
4:15 Thus began the confusion and chaos, in people’s minds, that has continued ever since - the

24 ARMAGEDDON SURVIVAL-KIT CD available from http://JAHTruth.net/ask

conflict and not knowing what is good/truth, and what is evil/lies (only that they both exist) and the
ongoing insanity.
4:16 INSANITY is:- choosing to believe that a lie is true, and that the truth is a lie.
4:17 The ONLY way to LIVE, is to STOP listening to the liar/devil, and believe ONLY GOD, as
Abraham did, and thereby, became the “Friend of God” (2nd. Chronicles 20:7 & Isaiah 41:8)(James
2:23).
4:18 Jesus’ true teachings are designed to “Reverse the Fall of Man”, by being “Born again as your
spirit (Being - John 3:5-6)” – your real self; keeping the COMMANDments; DOING God’s Will
(learning directly from God how to be perfect - like God, in His eyes, not man’s eyes). Jesus (the
WORD/TRUTH made flesh - JOHN 1:1-5) is also known as the “Second Adam” - to reverse “The
Fall”, caused by the first Adam believing Satan.

 

[phipps]

The original sin was committed in heaven, by the 1/3 of the beings who believed Lucifer's lies and slander against The Lord God and then joined his army to fight the war against God.

Revelation
12:4 And his tale (of lies - John 8:35) drew the third part of the "Stars" (ch. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Christ - Second Coming).
12:5 And she brought forth a Man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] His Throne.
12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore "days" (years).
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the Earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).
12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and The Kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their (human) lives unto the death (John 12:25).
12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the "earth" and of the "sea"! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time (6,000 years).
12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast onto the Earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].
12:14 And to the woman (Israel) were given two wings of a great eagle (Ex. 19:4), that she might fly into the wilderness (Britain), into her place, where she is nourished for a Time, and Times (2), and half a Time (1260 "days") (Dan. 12:7), from the face of the serpent.
12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth "water" (ch. 17:15) as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away (destroyed) by the flood.
12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which KEEP the Commandments of God, and have the Testimony of Christ Jesus (the Bible).

TWHOFTF
4:11 The serpent (Satan the liar/devil) told Eve that God was lying to her, and that if she believed
him, instead of God, she would be like God, which, of course, coming from the liar (devil), was a
LIE.
4:12 Eve believed the liar (devil), instead of God, and convinced Adam to believe the liar too,
repeating, for a second time, the “original sin” that had caused the war, and, from that day; EXACTLY
as God (the TRUTH/WORD - John 1:1-5) told them; people have been dying ever since. So God told
you the TRUTH, as He always does, and Satan deceived you all, yet again (Rev. 12:9), as he still does
today.
4:13 So the war, that Lucifer started in heaven, with his slanderous lies, has continued, in a war between
good (God) and evil (devil), here on Earth, ever since, killing billions of human bodies.
4:14 By believing the liar/devil, instead of God, Adam (man) and Eve (woman) were calling God a
liar/devil, and the liar/devil God. God says: “Woe to those who call good (God), evil (devil) and evil,
good”.
4:15 Thus began the confusion and chaos, in people’s minds, that has continued ever since - the

24 ARMAGEDDON SURVIVAL-KIT CD available from http://JAHTruth.net/ask

conflict and not knowing what is good/truth, and what is evil/lies (only that they both exist) and the
ongoing insanity.
4:16 INSANITY is:- choosing to believe that a lie is true, and that the truth is a lie.
4:17 The ONLY way to LIVE, is to STOP listening to the liar/devil, and believe ONLY GOD, as
Abraham did, and thereby, became the “Friend of God” (2nd. Chronicles 20:7 & Isaiah 41:8)(James
2:23).
4:18 Jesus’ true teachings are designed to “Reverse the Fall of Man”, by being “Born again as your
spirit (Being - John 3:5-6)” – your real self; keeping the COMMANDments; DOING God’s Will
(learning directly from God how to be perfect - like God, in His eyes, not man’s eyes). Jesus (the
WORD/TRUTH made flesh - JOHN 1:1-5) is also known as the “Second Adam” - to reverse “The
Fall”, caused by the first Adam believing Satan.

I'm ending this conversation with you because you are all over the place with your beliefs. You mix and match the Word of God with other unbiblical and pagan beliefs. You are not talking according to God's Word. Bye.

 

[bible_student]

I'm ending this conversation with you because you are all over the place with your beliefs. You mix and match the Word of God with other unbiblical and pagan beliefs. You are not talking according to God's Word. Bye.

Nothing that was shared above was unbiblical or pagan. Because you (actually it is your ego doing this and it is stopping/preventing you from being able to see and accept the truth) don't want to accept what the scripture openly and clearly says, which was shown (Matt. 25:41), you (actually it is again, the ego voice doing this) have to come up with explanations to try and claim that what it says actually means something completely different, than what it actually says. It doesn't. It means EXACTLY what Christ said it does.

It can only be suggested that you choose to accept what Jesus Christ said for what it is, and that you make the needed effort to prevent your ego from deceiving you. Then work daily on destroying your own ego. If the ego is not destroyed, then it will end up destroying you. What everyone needs to be doing if they want to survive what is coming, is explained in TWHOFTF. I hope you will take this and consider it prayerfully as the lovingly shared advice that it is being meant as.
Peace be upon you.

 

[elsbet]

@phipps

The giants in the Bible were people.​

Angels cannot become people or procreate with people since they don't have sex organs or the same bodies as people. The book of Enoch ...​

That is in the books of Genesis, Jude and 2 Peter--> they say they did, when they abandoned their spiritual bodies (oikétérion). Not as John Anthony proclaims-- that is one of the stranger theories I've heard. Anyway... you're a smart person-- you should study it, yourself, rather than turning a blind eye to it and shutting it down. It's all in there. The Sethite theory, on the other hand, is nowhere to be found, in scripture.

​

​

​

 

[phipps]

@phipps

The giants in the Bible were people.​

Angels cannot become people or procreate with people since they don't have sex organs or the same bodies as people. The book of Enoch ...​

That is in the books of Genesis, Jude and 2 Peter--> they say they did, when they abandoned their spiritual bodies (oikétérion). Not as John Anthony proclaims-- that is one of the stranger theories I've heard. Anyway... you're a smart person-- you should study it, yourself, rather than turning a blind eye to it and shutting it down. It's all in there. The Sethite theory, on the other hand, is nowhere to be found, in scripture.

​

​

​

​

The Bible does not once imply that the giants were anything other than people. That is why the book of Enoch which is not part of scripture is quoted instead of the Bible to make that point. We've had this discussion before in another forum haven't we? I explained about Jude and misunderstandings you guys have on the subject. I refer you back to those posts.

And you're smart too but yet you think angels procreate. Does that make sense? Angels do not have sex organs. The don't produce sperm or eggs for procreation with each other let alone with human beings. Angels do not have bodies like ours (they are not flesh) and they live in a dimension we find hard to comprehend. They are created beings who are of higher status than human beings (Psalms 8:5, 2 Peter 2:11) but were not not created to procreate. They are created not born. Jesus clearly told us they don't marry (Matthew 22:30, Luke 20:36). Marriage is strictly a human institution given to man by God. Even if angels wanted to marry and have babies, they couldn’t, they don’t have human DNA.

The Sethite theory is in the Bible because "sons of God" is a term of endearment in the Bible and God would never calls fallen angels "sons of God". They are evil.

First the princes of other planets were called "sons of God". Thousands of years ago, an intriguing meeting took place in heaven. “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them” (Job 1:6). Note Satan is NOT called a son of God.

Secondly the term "sons of God" is referred to human beings who have been recreated by God’s Spirit. “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God” (Romans 8:14). Matthew 5:9 adds, “Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.” “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name” (John 1:12). Also

The term “daughters of men,” therefore, refers to the unrighteous children of men, those human beings who do not call on the name of the Lord. In the context of Genesis 6:1-2, “daughters of men” refers to the offspring of Cain and his wife.

Originally, Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain murdered Abel, so God gave Adam and Eve another son, Seth. He began to have children of his own, and they “began to call on the name of the Lord” (Genesis 4:25-26). And from what we’ve seen in the Bible, those who call on the name of the Lord are called the sons of God.

Now Cain had been banished from God’s presence. He settled “in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch” (Genesis 4:16-18).

Here, before the Flood, we have the descendants of Cain living in cities and the descendants of Seth living in the country. As long as they remained separate, the sons of God remained pure in their religious beliefs and practices.

However, eventually they began to intermingle. Soon the descendants of Seth, or sons of God, began to marry the daughters of men, or the descendants of Cain. The result of these intermarriages was not only giants, but sorrow. Instead of the sons of God influencing the daughters of men, the daughters of men influenced the sons of God. The Bible is filled with stories about the sons of God mingling with the daughters of men and the disasters that follow as a result. Samson, chosen by God, was derailed by the Philistine women. His parents plead with him to avoid marrying a pagan bride, but he insisted on having what he wanted (Judges 14:3).

Solomon no doubt believed that he could marry the daughters from pagan nations and convert them. However, those pagan daughters drew away Solomon’s heart. This is why God is so adamant about His children not marrying unbelievers. It is almost always the case that the believer is gradually transformed by the unbeliever, not the other way around.

Jesus likewise has a warning for us in these end-times: "But as the days of [Noah] were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that [Noah] entered into the ark" (Matthew 24:37-38). No mention of hybrid half human half angel beings.

Sadly not long after the sons of God married the daughters of men sin increased in this world. So God said in Genesis 6:3, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” God gave mankind 120 years to change. You should note that there were giants before the sons of God married the daughters of men. "There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown." Verse 4.

Verse 5-8, 11-12, "Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth."

So God told Noah to build the ark for He was going to destroy the earth because of how sinful it was. God regretted why He ever created mankind in the first place. After the ark was built the flood came and killed the giants, sons of God, daughters of men and their children. Only Noah and his family survived. Just eight people. This is the truth of the Bible. I've posted this over and over with actual scripture. If you want God's truth read the scripture. Open your eyes and heart to the truth of the Bible. Your doctrine is not common sense from a well versed Christian like yourself! Bye.

 

[A Freeman]

Contrary to Strong's Concordance, the late 19th century periodical published by Moses Harman, and the Zionist-controlled Wikipedia and dictionaries—which are all WRONG—the name “Lucifer” does NOT mean “light bearer”.

Lucifer was an inhabitant of the Morning Star, which is a REAL planet. The Morning Star is home to Prince Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael, Raguel, Sarakiel (the Archangels), as well as millions of other immortal “Beings of Light”.

Thousands of years ago, Lucifer organized and led a coup attempt to seize control of the Universe. He managed to recruit a third of the inhabitants of the Morning Star (angels) into his army, using LIES to CONvince them.

Revelation 12:3-4
12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
12:4 And his tale (of lies - John 8:35) drew the third part of the "Stars" (ch. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon stood before the woman (Israel) which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Christ - second coming).

Lucifer's lies were unprecedented, which is why they took the weaker-willed angels by surprise. No one on the Morning Star had EVER lied before Lucifer invented it.

John 8:35-36 (8:44-45 KJV)
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.

Lucifer's failed attempt to overthrow and murder God, so he could take God's Place as The King Ruler of the Universe, is a well-documented FACT.

Isaiah 14:12-17
14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the Morning (Star)! [How] art thou cut down to the earth, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the North:
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like (take the Place of) The Most High.
14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the person that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
14:17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners?

The title Satan is Hebrew and means “the Opposer” (God's adversary). When Lucifer became darkness and evil, he became the d/evil-LIAR, opposing everything that is truthful and good (Matt. 19:17). The great red dragon, devil and Satan are therefore descriptive terms Lucifer earned as a result of his criminal actions. A dragon uses its tail/tale to draw its victims into its clutches, and everything that comes out of its mouth burns its victims. A perfect description of lying Lucifer/Satan/the devil. He is also referred to as being a serpent, because everything that comes out of his mouth is poison.


The War

Lucifer's coup attempt had to be put down by Prince Michael, known here on Earth by many names, including The Messiah/Christ, (the Anointed One/Heir to the Throne – Dan. 10:21, Dan.12:1-4, Col. 1:14-15, Rev. 5:1-9), and His Army, the heavenly host. When the rebellion against God failed and the war ended 6000 years ago, Lucifer and his followers were banished from heaven to the Earth for their TREASON against God.

Revelation 12:7-9
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).

Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what kind of spirit ye are of (Rev. 12:7-9; Matt. 8:22).

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, BEING EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him?

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into Everlasting Fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (YOU that do not DO God's Will):


The Prison-Reform School

Not executing Lucifer and his angels, outright, created quite a difficult situation. After making a study of the situation, God and the elders of the Morning Star decided to create a prison reform-school, far enough away, where, for the chosen period, they could safely try to teach Lucifer and his angels to be good, whereupon they could come home (Deut. 28:1, Rev. 2:28, Sura 29:6).

Lucifer and his angels (those who fought with Lucifer against God) had to be taught to keep the twelve laws of heaven; THE TWELVE COMMANDMENTS; ten of which were given to Moses on Mount Sinai (Exodus 20:1-17), and the eleventh and twelfth, which were given later-on, by Jesus; one of which God demonstrated and still demonstrates, i.e. “love your enemies into being good” (Matt. 5:43-48).

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in Our image, and teach him to be like Us (i.e. teach him to be good instead of sinful/evil): and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Every one of the convicts accepted God's most gracious and merciful offer to be rehabilitated inside human-animal bodies, except for Lucifer/Iblis, who arrogantly refused to submit to human limitations. Lucifer/Satan/Iblis then asked God for a stay of execution until The Day (Mal. 4). God granted Lucifer's request, to use him to test the rest of us to determine whether we were learning our lessons, or even paying attention.

That is why Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (the devil, serpent, red-dragon) is still so powerful, and why we NEED God's guidance and help to “slay the dragon”, i.e. learn to stop listening to and getting poisoned and burned by Satan's seductive voice and smooth-sounding LIES.


The Testing Process

Lucifer/Satan/Iblis regards the rest of us as traitors to himself for our decision to submit to the re-education program, and has vowed to do everything within his power and to attack us from every conceivable angle (Eph. 6:12-18), to keep us from learning what we NEED to learn, and doing what we need to DO, to be able to go home. That is why he is now our worst enemy.

Sura 7:11-18
7:11. It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the (fallen) angels submit to Adam (human limitations), and you submitted (Luke 9:55); not so Iblis (Lucifer); he refused to be of you who submitted.
7:12. ("I AM") said: "What prevented thee from submitting when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire (energy), and him from clay."
7:13. ("I AM") said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."
7:14. He said: "Give me respite till the Day they are raised up."
7:15. ("I AM") said: "Be thou among those who have respite."
7:16. He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of The Way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on Thy Straight Way:
7:17. "Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: nor wilt Thou find, in MOST of them, gratitude (for Thy mercies)."
7:18. ("I AM") said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell-Fire will I fill with you all (Matt. 8:22).

Sura 17:61-65
17:61. Behold! We said to the (fallen) angels: "Submit unto Adam (man)": you submitted (Luke 9:55) except Iblis (Lucifer): he said, "Shall I submit to one whom Thou didst create from clay?"
17:62. He said: "Seest Thou? This is the one (Adamic man) whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgment, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway - all but a few (Rev. 14:3)!"
17:63. ("I AM") said: "Go thy way if any of them follow thee, verily Hell-Fire will be the recompense of you (all)- an ample recompense (Matt. 8:22).
17:64. "Lead to destruction those whom thou canst among them, with thy (seductive) voice; make assaults on them with thy cavalry and thy infantry; mutually share with them wealth and children; and make promises to them." But Satan promises you nothing but deceit.
17:65. "As for My servants, no authority shalt thou have over them:" enough is thy Lord for a Disposer of affairs (John 11:25).

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the Life: he that believeth me (NOT Lucifer's lies), though he were "Dead" (under God's death sentence for treason - Rev. 12:7-9; Matt. 8:22; Luke 9:55), yet shall he Live (be pardoned):


Source Article: Who Lucifer Really Is And Why You Should Care

 

[bible_student]

So now Jahtruth admits to be a fallen angel and you think you are one of them too?
That's pretty honest from you guys and it can explain why you select some scriptures for convenience.

Just to show others that your accusation is a lie, read what it says in TWHOFTF:

TWH
12:29 THIS Book was not written after a Prophet’s death, by his students, or by an enlightened
prisoner, it was written by God’s eldest Son and God Himself (Daniel 10:21). I am not a prisoner
here; I came here voluntarily, to try to help you all, to survive, and to give you all, one LAST
chance.
12:30 With this Book, the mystery of God is now finished, and His truth published, and soon, it and
the Gospel of The Kingdom will have been published, to all nations (Mark 13:10).

 

[bible_student]

I believe I am good but not completely. I still have a long way to go. I'm still growing in Christ but I can't be good on my own can I? It all comes from Christ.

If I may share a thought with you on this, Phipps:

If we really want to be able to start helping ourselves and others, then the sooner we decide to drop the self-righteous attitude and holier-than-thou act (including in our own thoughts) the better.

Because the truth is you are not good, neither are we, so don't mistakenly believe that you are.

Thinking you are good is a form of "self"-deception (self-righteousness) that makes you completely blind.

(Religious arrogance, just like it happens to all the self-appointed pastors, priests, etc. They become blind. Then they become the blind, leading the blind).

There is no-one good down here. Not even remotely. Even Jesus himself said that HE was not good, and that only God is good, so that should really be the end of any illusion that we are somehow "good".

The truth is we don't know the meaning of the word.

Psalm 53:3 Everyone has turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.
Romans 3:12 All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."
Psalm 14:3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

Having a "holier-than-thou" attitude, is suffering from self-delusion because of satanically inspired arrogance (self-righteousness) that people suffer from. It makes us unable to be able to connect with others and therefore, unable to help other people with their problems.

The truth is we are all bad, and the sooner we accept the truth of it, and face the truth, the better it will be for everyone including ourselves. We first have to see and accept the real truth about ourselves before we will ever be able to start learning how to really be goodly, Law abiding citizens of the Kingdom of God.

This is not meant as an attack on you personally, but a comment in general and so I hope it is not taken the wrong way. God Bless, Peace be upon you.

1 kings 19:4 But he (Elijah) himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O "I AM", take away my life; for I [am] not better than my fathers.

And as you said, the only way for us to be able to learn to be good, is by following Christ:

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? [there is] none good but One, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the Commandments.

 

[Lisa]

What @elsbet was referencing..

Genesis‬ ‭6:1-2, 4‬ ‭
Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.​

‭‭

Numbers‬ ‭13:32-33‬ ‭
So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”​

‭‭

Jude‬ ‭1:6‬ ‭NASB‬‬
And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.​

‭‭

‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment​

 

[elsbet]

@phipps

Piece by piece...

​

The term “daughters of men,” therefore, refers to the unrighteous children of men, those human beings who do not call on the name of the Lord. In the context of Genesis 6:1-2, “daughters of men” refers to the offspring of Cain and his wife.​

​

Genesis 6:1-2 states only that the daughters of mankind were Beautiful... that's it.

Spoiler: Genesis 6:1-2

And it happened, when humankind began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them, that God's sons saw that the daughters of humankind were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose...

First the princes of other planets were called "sons of God".​

There is no mention of princes of other planets. Heck.. there's no mention of Planets.

The book of Job does clarify the Sons of God... they were with Him when He created the earth--> before humans were created, of course.

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?​

Spoiler

Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements—surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? On what were its bases sunk, or

who laid its cornerstone,​

when the morning stars sang together​

and all the sons of God shouted for joy?​

JOB 38:4-7​

I can't find any scriptural support for what you have posted, though. :/

 

[bible_student]

The Watchers are a different group of angels who also sinned, later on, as mentioned in Enoch and Genesis, etc.

Enoch
12:1 Before all these things Enoch was concealed; nor did any one of the sons of men know where he was concealed, where he had been, and what had happened.
12:2 He was wholly engaged with the holy ones (Gen. 5:24), and with the Watchers in his days.

[The Book of Enoch]

 

[Lisa]

The Watchers are a different group of angels who also sinned, later on, as mentioned in Enoch and Genesis, etc.

Enoch
12:1 Before all these things Enoch was concealed; nor did any one of the sons of men know where he was concealed, where he had been, and what had happened.
12:2 He was wholly engaged with the holy ones (Gen. 5:24), and with the Watchers in his days.

[The Book of Enoch]

You really should stick to the books of the Bible and not add non scripture to it.

 

[bible_student]

You really should stick to the books of the Bible and not add non scripture to it.

The Book of Enoch is Scripture.
It was the Great Whore, who tried to get it removed from circulation.
But see, the Great Whore failed.
Jesus and his disciples quoted from it so there is no doubt whatsoever that it is Scripture.
You should really stop following after the Great Whore and start trusting Jesus and his disciples and read the Book of Enoch.