Twelve Tribes of Israel info & research thread

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Lamentations
4:6 For the punishment of the inequity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her.
4:7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing [was] of sapphire:

1 Samuel 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he scorned him: for he was [but] a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.


Definition of fair-faced. 1 : having a light complexion : beautiful of countenance. 2 British, of a brick wall : not plastered.
Fair-faced | Definition of fair-faced by Merriam-Webster
No I said "kalam" was the word you were looking for which doesnt mean to blush but means to be humiliated. Are you going to say anything towards that?

Also, the "fair" in both usages doesnt reference skin color. The Hebrew word you're looking for here is "Yepheh" which refers to BEAUTY not color. Thats why Webster's dictionary applied Genesis 12's usage of "fair" to the definition referencing beauty and not skin color. But to reiterate, for a second, time, I've already said this. Which means this is my third time of saying this exact same thing (at least) in this thread.
 

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Huh? I didnt even disagree with what you said about there being promises to Abraham that are unconditional. I said that the Israelites ruling over themselves and others WAS conditional on them obeying the covenant. Obey, they rule over themselves and others. Disobey, and they get ruled over oppressively. Your view has the modern Euros ruling over themselves and others for centuries DESPITE disobeying the covenant from start to finish. Theres no match...

And yea you can actually see Hebraic customs in the Indigenous American way of life. In their monuments. And there have been TWO stone tablets of the commandments found in America, which you cant say about anywhere else in the world. Everything points to the Americas and nowhere else...
Where is the THRONE of Israel in the Americas, with a descendant of David's sitting on it as God PROMISED? The Coronation Stone (The Stone of Destiny/Bethel Stone/Jacob's Pillar) is the physical throne for the monarch.

And how does America fit the description of being a "nation and a company of nations" and a "multitude (commonwealth) of nations"? These are indelible marks of true Israel, during the latter days.

No monarch, no throne, no stone, no way.

The reason we find Hebrew artifacts in the Americas is thanks to Solomon's Navy, (the beginning of the British/Israelite navy - Rule Britannia) which sent ships all over the world, including into the Americas thousands of years before "Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492".

Scriptural References to Solomon’s Navy:

1 Kings 9:26-28
9:26 And king Solomon made a navy of ships in Eziongeber, which [is] beside Eloth, on the shore of the Red sea, in the land of Edom.
9:27 And Hiram sent in the navy his servants, shipmen that had knowledge of the sea, with the servants of Solomon.
9:28 And they came to Ophir, and fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents, and brought [it] to king Solomon.

2 Chronicles 8:17-18
8:17 Then went Solomon to Eziongeber, and to Eloth, at the sea side in the land of Edom.
8:18 And Hiram sent him by the hands of his servants ships, and servants that had knowledge of the sea; and they went with the servants of Solomon to Ophir, and took thence four hundred and fifty talents of gold, and brought [them] to king Solomon.

Sura 38:34-36
38:34. And We did try Solomon: We placed on his throne a body (without life) but he did turn (to Us in true devotion):
38:35. He said, "O my Lord! Forgive me, and grant me a kingdom which, (it may be), suits not another after me: for Thou art the Grantor of Bounties (without measure).
38:36. Then We subjected the Wind to his power, to flow gently to his order, wheresoever he willed,-

1 Kings 9:27 records that King Hiram's sailors and Solomon's sailors jointly crewed the ships of the Phoenician/Israelite fleets so there was nothing the Phoenician mariners knew which wasn't also known to the Israelite mariners.

The presence of Phoenician/Hebrew inscriptions in North America and all over the globe is evidence that Solomon's fleets literally explored the globe during his reign. There are many more Hebrew inscriptions in North America than the Los Lunas and Decalogue artifacts. Another one was the Bat Creek stone, a Hebrew inscription from the American Southeast, which the establishment declared to be a forgery until it was realized they were trying to read it upside down. Dr. Cyrus Gordon, one of the most esteemed American archaeologists and epigraphers, declared the Bat Creek stone to be a valid ancient Hebrew inscription (see his book, Before Columbus, pp. 175-187). Dr. Gordon's books also shows photographs of ancient Jewish coins dug up in ancient North American sites. There is no question that ancient Hebrew-speaking Israelites were present in ancient North America. Indeed, Dr. Gordon denounces with some vehemence those who deny that other civilizations were not present in North America long before Columbus (p. 187).

The Los Lunas inscription is not alone. There are other Hebrew inscriptions in that area and extending for many miles from that inscription. I personally was escorted to the site by the President of the New Mexico Epigraphic Society (who speaks Hebrew himself), he showed me a number of the Hebrew inscriptions and the location of some of these is not publicized because vandals and deniers will want to erase and vandalize them. Some of these ancient Hebrew inscriptions are reproduced on pages 219-222 of my book, The Origins and Empire of Ancient Israel. The location of the Los Lunas site is instructive. It is located next to a very large, dried-up ancient river course that is remarkably deep. The strata at the river bed shows dark layers where the Los Lunas region was sometimes well-watered and habitable. When the large river course was full, one could have sailed a large ship from Los Lunas to the Rio Grande River to the Gulf of Mexico and then to the Atlantic Ocean and eventually, to Israel itself. One of the Hebrew inscriptions in the region, according to my escort, translates as "tribe of Asher." Under Solomon, the fleets of Israel scoured the earth for raw materials to build the Temple and Solomon's other massive edifices. Other sources cited in my book point out the Phoenicians constructed special large ships simply to haul raw materials. It is known by mining engineers that the copper mines in the Lake Superior region were worked to exhaustion around 1000 BC, the time when King David was massing raw materials for the eventual Temple which Solomon would build. Engineering sources also confirm that the vast quantity of copper mined in the Lake Superior region was not used in ancient North America, so it was exported to some other continent by someone. David had the desire and the means to bring that copper to Israel via Phoenician fleets where he amassed copper-based brass materials for the temple "beyond measuring." The Israelites didn't mine all that copper in Israel. So we have a biblically confirmed record that the Israelites had a need to locate and import large amounts of copper and iron from all over the earth at the very time when copper mines in North America were worked to exhaustion.

The Los Lunas inscription is found in the ancient Paleo-Hebrew script that was used during the times of the kings of ancient Israel and Judah, which indicates that the inscription dates to that time. Solomon's fleets were sailing the world, and they could sail directly from Israel to Los Lunas! The Los Lunas inscription preserves an account of the Ten Commandments so it had to be done at a time when far-flung Israelites were obedient to God's laws. The only historical context where this fits the Bible is in Solomon's time. Even the sailors were proclaiming God's laws at that time. Those who try and deny the dating of this artifact to Solomon's time (a time appropriate for the script) would be hard pressed to find any basis for convincing anyone that someone in the American Southwest in recent centuries could skillfully inscribe a lengthy inscription in a Hebrew script not used for approximately 2500 years. One denier asserted the patinization of the inscription was insufficient to be as old as the script would indicate, but then it was learned that a boy scout troop was regularly cleaning the inscription with wire brushes which had destroyed all the ancient patinization (and the objections of the denier). There was also a bizarre effort to assert the inscription was a Greek-Hebrew composite language also found on supposed "Zak" stones in the area. In a court trial in New Mexico, there was a legal finding of fact that the "Greek-Hebrew" assertion was the fraudulent option. Indeed, the supposed Greek-Hebrew "translation" was based on reading the inscription in the wrong direction! This court trial also heard evidence that: "scholars of ancient Hebrew can read the text essentially at sight and it shows correct grammar in use of tenses, gender, number and pronominal affixes." This quote and an account of the trial attesting to the genuineness of the ancient Hebrew artifact is found in an article on pp. 206-219 of The Epigraphic Society Occasional Publications, Vol. 17, 1988. I offer to send a copy of this article to you if you would like it. I am convinced the artifact is genuine.

Above excerpt from:
http://www.britam.org/collins/losLunas.html
 
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There is a reason for this. The following paragraphs briefly explain what happened to the the 12 Tribes, including how the Northern 10-Tribed Nation of Israel lost their Sabbath-sign:


Jacob-Israel had twelve sons, who fathered the Twelve Tribes of Israel, the fifth of whom was called Dan and he fathered the Tuatha de Danaan (the Tribe of Dan), from whom the Irish and Danish people are descended. The eleventh of Jacob’s twelve sons was called Joseph, to whom Jacob/Israel gave the famous "Coat of Many Colours". Israel’s fourth son, Judah from whom the Jews claim descent and who sold his brother Joseph into slavery in Egypt, had twin sons called Zarah and Pharez, as is recorded in The Old Testament Book of Genesis chapter 38:27-30 of The Holy Bible.

When Judah’s twins were about to be born, the midwife; who knew that there were twins in the womb; had prepared herself with a scarlet cord to mark the firstborn. Today the same thing is done with a plastic name-tag placed around a baby’s wrist. Zarah (meaning ‘Scarlet’ in Hebrew) put his hand out of the womb first and the midwife tied the scarlet cord around his wrist to identify him as the firstborn. He then pulled his hand back into the womb and his twin brother Pharez was born first, thereby breaching his brother Zarah’s birthright and so he was named Pharez which means ‘Breach’ in Hebrew.

Contrary to the commonly-held belief that all Israelites are Jews and before anyone jumps to the wrong conclusion that therefore the Danites are Jews, I must explain that the word Jew and Israelite are not synonymous and do not mean the same or refer to the same people, no matter what your dictionary might say. They refer to two related but different peoples, as any honest and well-informed rabbi. will admit and studying a Bible will confirm.

Long before the birth of Teia Tephi; back in 997 B.C. under David’s grandson Rehoboam, the son of Solomon; the twelve tribes of Israel fell-out with each other and split-up into two separate kingdoms, with two separate kings and they lived side by side but in two separate countries, called Israel and Judaea. The twelve tribes divided into the ten-tribed "House of Israel" who lived in Israel in the northern section of the Holy Land under king Jeroboam and the two-tribed "House of Judah" who lived in Judaea, in the South of the Holy Land, under the sovereignty of Solomon’s son, king Rehoboam.

The Northern kingdom was called Israel and its capital city was Samaria. The Southern kingdom was called Judaea and its capital was Jerusalem. The tribe of Dan was one of the ten tribes of the northern ten-tribed kingdom called Israel and those ten tribes are the same tribes who later became the "Ten Lost Tribes of Israel", so the Danites are therefore Israelites who are not Jewish.

The Jewish people claim their descent from the two-tribed "House of Judah" (Jew-dah), hence their name Jew. All true racial Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews. Just as, for example, all Scottish people are British but not all of the British people are Scottish.

Returning now to the story; Pharez, having taken the birthright from his brother Zarah, carried the tribal (family) name of Judah, from which came king David, the shepherd boy who slew the giant Goliath with a stone from his sling and became king of Israel. The Royal line of David descends from Pharez and their emblem is an amber/golden lion, rampant, with a crown on its head.

The descendants of his brother, Zarah of the ‘Red Hand’, having lost the Birthright, went into exile and migrated to Heberia (now known as Iberia or Spain). There they built the city of Zaragoza. Zaragoza (originally Zarah-gassa) means the "Stronghold of Zarah" and the city is still called Zaragoza today, even though the Israelites’ traditional enemy, Babylon and Rome, invaded Heberia and drove the Zarahites out to the northern coastlands of Spain. From there many of them fled across the water to Ireland (Hebernia – the Hebrews’ new-land and the Hebrides - Hebrew’s Isles). Some of their descendants migrated from Ireland to Scotland, and, once there, decided to use their own Judah Zarah version of the Judahite emblem, which is the red lion rampant, just as Judah Pharez use the amber lion rampant (rampant is a word used in heraldry. and it means that an animal is shown standing-up on its back legs, on a coat-of-arms).



Tribal Standard of Judah

Centuries after Zarah first left Judaea to go into exile abroad, and the ten-tribed "House of Israel" had been taken out of Israel, the northern kingdom, to Assyria as slaves in 722 B.C., as punishment for breaking The Covenant, Jeremiah the Bible Prophet was sent to king Zedekiah of Jerusalem in the southern kingdom, who had, by then, also broken God’s Covenant, to warn him to return to keeping The Covenantor God would punish the two-tribed "House of Judah", as he had previously punished the ten-tribed "House of Israel". Jeremiah warned king Zedekiah of Jerusalem that, if he did not keep The Covenant, God would send king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon to lay siege to and destroy Jerusalem. Zedekiah did not like God’s Message so he decided to ignore it and punish God’s messenger by putting him in prison. However that did not prevent the prophecy from being fulfilled, it only made its fulfillment more certain.

Nebuchadnezzar sent his army and laid siege to Jerusalem whose inhabitants became so hungry that they ate their own children. The City was not only taken but was also laid-waste and burned. God’s House, the Holy Temple, that had been built for Him by Solomon and Hiram, was also destroyed, along with The City.

Nebuchadnezzar, who was sent by God to punish Zedekiah and the two-tribed "House of Judah"; just as the Assyrians had been used in 722 B.C. to punish the ten-tribed "House of Israel"; honoured Jeremiah as God’s Prophet; released him from prison and gave him free reign to do as he was commanded by God.

Zedekiah, who was descended from the royal line of David of the Pharez branch of the tribe of Judah, and all of his sons were captured and taken from Jerusalem to Babylon, where his sons were slain in front of Zedekiah’s eyes and then he was blinded, so that the execution of his sons would be the last thing he ever saw. He himself died in prison, in Babylon, and all of this was because he betrayed God and his people; broke The Covenant and caused his people to suffer poverty under his own laws, instead of prosperity under God’s Laws in The Covenant that is written in The Torah. The Torahis the collective name for the Five Books given to Israel through Moses at Horeb in Sinai and it means The Law.

The inhabitants of Judaea were also taken captive and were removed from Judaea into Babylon to become slaves to their captors, as punishment for allowing themselves to be misled by their rulers, just as the ten-tribed "House of Israel" had previously been punished and taken off their land Israel, into slavery, before them. The "House of Israel" were taken to Assyria in 722 B.C., from where they never returned home to Israel. The "House of Israel" and the "House of Judah" were both punished for the same reason; that is that they broke The Covenant and allowed their rulers to make up their own poverty-creating selfish laws; economic policies and taxes in contravention of God’s Commandments and prophetical-warnings to His People.

At the time Nebuchadnezzar was king of Babylon, the Assyrians were no longer the world super-power that had defeated the ten-tribed "House of Israel" and had themselves been defeated and driven-out of Assyria, so they were no longer in a position to keep the ten-tribed "House of Israel" as slaves and they all migrated to the North-West of the Holy Land. The Assyrians stopped in what is now called Germany and eventually became the Germans of today with their German Military Cross that is identical to the ancient Assyrian Knight’s Cross.

The ten-tribed "House of Israel" had been slaves in Assyria since 722 B.C. and therefore had learned to speak Assyrian; which is why there are Assyrian (Germanic) words in the English and other North-European languages today. They also lost their Sabbath Sign, that told them who they were, having changed their Sabbath day from the true Sabbath which is the seventh day of the week (Saturday) to the Assyrian and Babylonian Sun-worship religions’ worship-day of Sunday, and so had begun to lose their true history; Mosaic Laws in The Torah and also their identity as Israelites.

Finally being free from domination by the Assyrians, most of the "House of Israel" separated themselves from them and continued on their long trek, to the North-West coastlands and Islands, of what is now Europe, exactly as it was prophesied that they would do.

Lol come on



All that is just a bunch of rambling based on the false premise that the promised land is in the Middle East. And bouncing off that false premise, your "logic" is that the Creator chose the British "Israelites" to be His chosen people and to follow His commandments and ways, and to be as holy as He is, they didnt (for THREE CENTURIES) and He then used them to give their promised land to another group false claiming to be them (the modern Jews right?) who are now in the promised land? Who also never followed the covenant outlined in the bible and arent doing so in their land now?

Of course none of that is biblical at all. But on the flipside in America, again, there have been found TWO stone tablets with the commandments on them. In Canada, theres a city called "Acadia" (like Akkadia, Babylon), where there was a battle called "the Battle of the Plains of ABRAHAM", and theres a Mount Babel there as well.
 
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Where is the THRONE of Israel in the Americas, with a descendant of David's sitting on it as God PROMISED? The Coronation Stone (The Stone of Destiny/Bethel Stone/Jacob's Pillar) is the physical throne for the monarch.
The problem is that you want this to be steadfast, but why dont you want to also hold yourself to the place where God said if Israel disobeyed, they wouldnt rule over themselves, and instead, would be ruled over oppressively? Again, your logic is that the Creator chose the British Israelites, to be THE EXAMPLE of following His commandments and ways for everyone else, they didnt (to the tune of 3 centuries AND COUNTING) and furthermore, thru the Balfour Declaration, gave THEIR LAND, to who you say are false Israelites? None of that is biblical

And how does America fit the description of being a "nation and a company of nations" and a "multitude (commonwealth) of nations"? These are indelible marks of true Israel, during the latter days.
Umm... that was referring to Joseph/Manasseh, not a landmass. And also no, being an empire doesnt make one Israel. Babylon was an empire with a multitude of nations under it. So was Egypt. Greece. Rome. Persia. China. The thing all these empires have in common with yours is they werent Torah observant.

No monarch, no throne, no stone, no way.
But DavidSon already' brought up a monarchy in Ethiopia claiming to be a monorchy descending from Solomon and Sheba?

The reason we find Hebrew artifacts in the Americas is thanks to Solomon's Navy, (the beginning of the British/Israelite navy - Rule Britannia) which sent ships all over the world, including into the Americas thousands of years before "Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492".

Scriptural References to Solomon’s Navy:

1 Kings 9:26-28
9:26 And king Solomon made a navy of ships in Eziongeber, which [is] beside Eloth, on the shore of the Red sea, in the land of Edom.
9:27 And Hiram sent in the navy his servants, shipmen that had knowledge of the sea, with the servants of Solomon.
9:28 And they came to Ophir, and fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents, and brought [it] to king Solomon.

2 Chronicles 8:17-18
8:17 Then went Solomon to Eziongeber, and to Eloth, at the sea side in the land of Edom.
8:18 And Hiram sent him by the hands of his servants ships, and servants that had knowledge of the sea; and they went with the servants of Solomon to Ophir, and took thence four hundred and fifty talents of gold, and brought [them] to king Solomon.

Sura 38:34-36
38:34. And We did try Solomon: We placed on his throne a body (without life) but he did turn (to Us in true devotion):
38:35. He said, "O my Lord! Forgive me, and grant me a kingdom which, (it may be), suits not another after me: for Thou art the Grantor of Bounties (without measure).
38:36. Then We subjected the Wind to his power, to flow gently to his order, wheresoever he willed,-

1 Kings 9:27 records that King Hiram's sailors and Solomon's sailors jointly crewed the ships of the Phoenician/Israelite fleets so there was nothing the Phoenician mariners knew which wasn't also known to the Israelite mariners.

The presence of Phoenician/Hebrew inscriptions in North America and all over the globe is evidence that Solomon's fleets literally explored the globe during his reign. There are many more Hebrew inscriptions in North America than the Los Lunas and Decalogue artifacts. Another one was the Bat Creek stone, a Hebrew inscription from the American Southeast, which the establishment declared to be a forgery until it was realized they were trying to read it upside down. Dr. Cyrus Gordon, one of the most esteemed American archaeologists and epigraphers, declared the Bat Creek stone to be a valid ancient Hebrew inscription (see his book, Before Columbus, pp. 175-187). Dr. Gordon's books also shows photographs of ancient Jewish coins dug up in ancient North American sites. There is no question that ancient Hebrew-speaking Israelites were present in ancient North America. Indeed, Dr. Gordon denounces with some vehemence those who deny that other civilizations were not present in North America long before Columbus (p. 187).

The Los Lunas inscription is not alone. There are other Hebrew inscriptions in that area and extending for many miles from that inscription. I personally was escorted to the site by the President of the New Mexico Epigraphic Society (who speaks Hebrew himself), he showed me a number of the Hebrew inscriptions and the location of some of these is not publicized because vandals and deniers will want to erase and vandalize them. Some of these ancient Hebrew inscriptions are reproduced on pages 219-222 of my book, The Origins and Empire of Ancient Israel. The location of the Los Lunas site is instructive. It is located next to a very large, dried-up ancient river course that is remarkably deep. The strata at the river bed shows dark layers where the Los Lunas region was sometimes well-watered and habitable. When the large river course was full, one could have sailed a large ship from Los Lunas to the Rio Grande River to the Gulf of Mexico and then to the Atlantic Ocean and eventually, to Israel itself. One of the Hebrew inscriptions in the region, according to my escort, translates as "tribe of Asher." Under Solomon, the fleets of Israel scoured the earth for raw materials to build the Temple and Solomon's other massive edifices. Other sources cited in my book point out the Phoenicians constructed special large ships simply to haul raw materials. It is known by mining engineers that the copper mines in the Lake Superior region were worked to exhaustion around 1000 BC, the time when King David was massing raw materials for the eventual Temple which Solomon would build. Engineering sources also confirm that the vast quantity of copper mined in the Lake Superior region was not used in ancient North America, so it was exported to some other continent by someone. David had the desire and the means to bring that copper to Israel via Phoenician fleets where he amassed copper-based brass materials for the temple "beyond measuring." The Israelites didn't mine all that copper in Israel. So we have a biblically confirmed record that the Israelites had a need to locate and import large amounts of copper and iron from all over the earth at the very time when copper mines in North America were worked to exhaustion.

The Los Lunas inscription is found in the ancient Paleo-Hebrew script that was used during the times of the kings of ancient Israel and Judah, which indicates that the inscription dates to that time. Solomon's fleets were sailing the world, and they could sail directly from Israel to Los Lunas! The Los Lunas inscription preserves an account of the Ten Commandments so it had to be done at a time when far-flung Israelites were obedient to God's laws. The only historical context where this fits the Bible is in Solomon's time. Even the sailors were proclaiming God's laws at that time. Those who try and deny the dating of this artifact to Solomon's time (a time appropriate for the script) would be hard pressed to find any basis for convincing anyone that someone in the American Southwest in recent centuries could skillfully inscribe a lengthy inscription in a Hebrew script not used for approximately 2500 years. One denier asserted the patinization of the inscription was insufficient to be as old as the script would indicate, but then it was learned that a boy scout troop was regularly cleaning the inscription with wire brushes which had destroyed all the ancient patinization (and the objections of the denier). There was also a bizarre effort to assert the inscription was a Greek-Hebrew composite language also found on supposed "Zak" stones in the area. In a court trial in New Mexico, there was a legal finding of fact that the "Greek-Hebrew" assertion was the fraudulent option. Indeed, the supposed Greek-Hebrew "translation" was based on reading the inscription in the wrong direction! This court trial also heard evidence that: "scholars of ancient Hebrew can read the text essentially at sight and it shows correct grammar in use of tenses, gender, number and pronominal affixes." This quote and an account of the trial attesting to the genuineness of the ancient Hebrew artifact is found in an article on pp. 206-219 of The Epigraphic Society Occasional Publications, Vol. 17, 1988. I offer to send a copy of this article to you if you would like it. I am convinced the artifact is genuine.

Above excerpt from:
http://www.britam.org/collins/losLunas.html
This is like my family going to your family's house, spending a vacation there and going back home. Years later, you find remnants of my family being at your house, but go to where Im from and find nothing. Where are the commandments in stone in Israel?

Heres a map from 1747, of "Negroland" or West Africa....




"Juda" being written of in Africa is similar to what "Eldad the Danite" said about there being Israelites in East Africa... Now can you find a map showing "Israel" being in the middle east before the 1900s?
 
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Ok, that made me laugh... think I startled the cat. :p

Anyway, no. I thought we were speaking of the British.
Lol I didnt mean anything by it btw

And we kinda were. He was saying that "ruddy" fits the British while I was arguing that the "British" gave the color of "ruddy" to a dark brown/reddish type of color when naming the "ruddy duck/cow".
 

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The Arabian Cradle of Zion

Haven't gone through the whole article but there's a bunch of interesting material about ancient biblical (Abrahamic) tribes, also the history of Judaism in Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Guyenot explains the deep relationship between Judaism and Islam (including Israeli backed Wahhabism lol).
 
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Lol come on

All that is just a bunch of rambling based on the false premise that the promised land is in the Middle East. And bouncing off that false premise, your "logic" is that the Creator chose the British "Israelites" to be His chosen people and to follow His commandments and ways, and to be as holy as He is, they didnt (for THREE CENTURIES) and He then used them to give their promised land to another group false claiming to be them (the modern Jews right?) who are now in the promised land? Who also never followed the covenant outlined in the bible and arent doing so in their land now?
Although it is true that the Israelites have never fully kept the Covenant, or been even moderately successful with keeping it for any sustained period of time, even in their failure, they have still done it better than any other nation on earth. The other nations are NOT any better than Israel. They have all been worse than Israel.

And between the Kingdoms of Judah and of Israel, God told Jeremiah, that "backsliding Israel" had proved herself to be better (more justified) than "treacherous Judah":

Jeremiah
3:6 The "I AM" said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen [that] which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot (been unfaithful to Me).
3:7 And I said after she had done all these [things], Turn thou unto Me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw [it].
3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
3:9 And it came to pass through her making light of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.
3:10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto Me with her whole heart, but in pretence, saith the "I AM".
3:11 And the "I AM" said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah (Jew-dah).
3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the North, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the "I AM"; [and] I will not cause Mine anger to fall upon you: for I [am] merciful, saith the "I AM", [and] I will not keep [anger] for ever.
Of course none of that is biblical at all. But on the flipside in America, again, there have been found TWO stone tablets with the commandments on them. In Canada, theres a city called "Acadia" (like Akkadia, Babylon), where there was a battle called "the Battle of the Plains of ABRAHAM", and theres a Mount Babel there as well.
The Native Americans got the stone tablets from Israelites who visited America from the time of Solomon's Navy and onwards, long before Columbus ever sailed to America.

"The Bible asserts Solomon's fleets embarked on voyages which lasted three years before they returned to Israel with wildlife from other continents (I Kings 10:22). Solomon's navy was privy to all the navigational knowledge which the globe-trotting Phoenicians of Tyre and Sidon possessed (I Kings 9:27, II Chronicles 8:17-18). I Kings 9:27 records that King Hiram's sailors and Solomon's sailors jointly crewed the ships of the Phoenician/Israelite fleets so there was nothing the Phoenician mariners knew which wasn't also known to the Israelite mariners.

The presence of Phoenician/Hebrew inscriptions in North America and all over the globe is evidence that Solomon's fleets literally explored the globe during his reign. There are many more Hebrew inscriptions in North America than the Los Lunas and Decalogue artifacts. Another one was the Bat Creek stone, a Hebrew inscription from the American Southeast, which the establishment declared to be a forgery until it was realized they were trying to read it upside down. Dr. Cyrus Gordon, one of the most esteemed American archaeologists and epigraphers, declared the Bat Creek stone to be a valid ancient Hebrew inscription (see his book, Before Columbus, pp. 175-187). Dr. Gordon's books also shows photographs of ancient Jewish coins dug up in ancient North American sites. There is no question that ancient Hebrew-speaking Israelites were present in ancient North America. Indeed, Dr. Gordon denounces with some vehemence those who deny that other civilizations were not present in North America long before Columbus (p. 187).


Columbus did not discover America, Phoenician-Israelites (not Jewish) discovered America
(
at least 2,000 years before Columbus was born):
 
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The problem is that you want this to be steadfast, but why dont you want to also hold yourself to the place where God said if Israel disobeyed, they wouldnt rule over themselves, and instead, would be ruled over oppressively? Again, your logic is that the Creator chose the British Israelites, to be THE EXAMPLE of following His commandments and ways for everyone else, they didnt (to the tune of 3 centuries AND COUNTING) and furthermore, thru the Balfour Declaration, gave THEIR LAND, to who you say are false Israelites? None of that is biblical
The Scriptures are crystal clear on this subject.

God made an UNCONDITIONAL Covenant with Abraham for offering up his miracle son Isaac as a sacrifice, foreshadowing God's own sacrifice of His Miracle Son to take place a couple of thousand years later. This UNCONDITIONAL Promise from God was to ensure that the entire world was blessed with HIS MESSAGE OF TRUTH, which the Israelite nations--specifically the sons of Joseph, upon whom the name Israel was given (Gen. 48:16)--delivered to ALL nations.

Who was it that translated the Bible and then took it all over the world, to every nation? The British (Ephraim) and Anglo-Saxon American people (Manasseh), the two sons of Joseph, who are obviously THE TWO WITNESSES, taking God's Word to everyone (even if they didn't live by it themselves).

The UNCONDITIONAL Covenant with Abraham is described in detail in the Book of Genesis.

Genesis 12:2-3
12:2 And I will make from thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy (seed's) NAME "Great"; and thou shalt be a blessing:
12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee (and thy seed) shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Genesis 13:15-16
13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
13:16 And I will make thy seed as "the dust of the earth": so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, [then] shall thy seed also be numbered.

Genesis 15:5 And He brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and He said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

Genesis 17:1-8
17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the "I AM" appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I [am] the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
17:2 And I WILL make My Covenant between Me and thee, and WILL multiply thee exceedingly.
17:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
17:4 As for Me, behold, My Covenant [IS] with thee, and thou shalt be a father of MANY nations.
17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
17:7 And I will establish My Covenant between Me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an Everlasting Covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Genesis 17:16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she SHALL be [a mother] of nations; kings of people SHALL be of her.

Genesis 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall SURELY become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Genesis 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called [(I)saac's sons - Saxons].

Genesis 22:16-18
22:16 And said, By Myself have I SWORN, saith the "I AM", for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son]:
22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as "the stars of the heaven", and as the sand which [is] upon the sea shore; and thy descendants shall possess the (sea) gates of their enemies;
22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed My voice.

The passages leave NO DOUBT that these things WILL happen. Does it mean that the people Israel won't be punished for not keeping The Law (see Deut. 28)? God forbid. Israel absolutely was, and will be, punished for not keeping The Law, and that is precisely what has happened throughout history. The entire Old Covenant is a TESTAMENT to that FACT.

First enslavement:
Together, all 12 tribes of Israel were taken into captivity in Egypt as punishment for not keeping The Law.

Second enslavement: Separately, the 10-tribed "House of Israel" was taken into captivity by the Assyrians c. 722 BC, and did not return to Samaria. The 2-tribed "House of Judah" followed suit c. 604-588 BC, when the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar defeated king Zedekiah, sacked Jerusalem and destroyed Solomon's Temple.

Third enslavement: The Israelite nations, including Ephraim (U.K.) and Manasseh (U.S.) have been thrust into debt slavery for not keeping The Law, and are going to be defeated in WW3, bringing about the physical enslavement of all of the Israelite nations to their enemies: Russia and China. Great Britain, America, Ireland, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa, Northern France, Celtic Spain, Belgium, the Baltic and Scandinavian states and Gibraltar ARE Israel, i.e. all of the English-speaking nations of the world, ARE the people of the Covenant: the people Israel.

In similar fashion God also made a PROMISE to king David, that he shall never lack a descendant to sit on the throne of his kingdom IN Israel forever. And forever means FOREVER.

2 Samuel 7:12-17
7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
7:13 He shall build an house for My name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be My (adopted) son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
7:15 But My mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took [it] from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
7:17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

2 Samuel 22:51 [He is] the tower of salvation for his king: and showeth mercy to His anointed, unto David, and to his seed for evermore.

2 Samuel 23:5 Although my house [be] not so with God; yet He hath made with me an Everlasting Covenant, ordered in all [things], and sure: for [this is] all my salvation, and all [my] desire, although He make [it] not to grow.

1 Chronicles 7:10-14
17:10 And since the time that I commanded judges [to be] over My people Israel. Moreover I will subdue all thine enemies. Furthermore I tell thee that the "I AM" will build thee an house.
17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go [to be] with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.
17:12 He shall build Me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.
17:13 I will be his father, and he shall be My son: and I will not take My mercy away from him, as I took [it] from [him] that was before thee:
17:14 But I will settle him in Mine house and in My kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

2 Chronicles 1:9 Now, O "I AM" God, let Thy promise unto David my father be established: for Thou hast made me king over a people like "the dust of the earth" in multitude (Gen. 28:14, Gen. 48:19).

2 Chronicles 7:18 Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have Covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man [to be] ruler IN Israel.

2 Chronicles 13:5 Ought ye not to know that the "I AM" God of Israel gave the kingdom over Israel to David for ever, [even] to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?

2 Chronicles 21:7 Howbeit the "I AM" would not destroy the House of David, because of the Covenant that He had made with David, and as He promised to give a light to him and to his sons for ever.

2 Chronicles 23:3 And all the congregation made a covenant with the king in The House of God. And he said unto them, Behold, the king's son shall reign, as the "I AM" hath said of the sons of David.

Psalm 89:3-4
89:3 I have made a Covenant with My chosen, I have sworn unto David My servant,
89:4 Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. The rock.

Psalm 89:34-36
89:34 My Covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
89:35 Once have I sworn by My holiness that I will not lie unto David.
89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as "the sun" before me.

Psalm 132:10-11
132:10 For Thy servant David's sake turn not away the face of Thine anointed.
132:11 The "I AM" hath sworn [in] Truth unto David; He will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.

Jeremiah 33:17 For thus saith the "I AM"; David shall never want (lack) a man* to sit upon the throne of the House of Israel;

*NOTE: Not that long ago, it was still standard practice to refer to the human race (men and women) collectively as "mankind". So this promise to David--that one of his descendants (male or female - "his seed" or “the fruit of thy body") would sit on the throne of Israel forever—does not preclude female descendants from fulfilling that prophecy (see The Law - Num. 27:1-8).

This single prophecy/promise to David leaves no doubt that there has NEVER been a time since the time of king David when there wasn't descendant of David to SIT on his Throne IN Israel. This also automatically reduces the possibilities for the ten "lost" tribes of Israel to A SINGLE MONARCHY. A single monarchy that MUST be ruling over MULTIPLE NATIONS (Gen. 35:11, Gen. 48:19) TODAY.

Furthermore, according to your "logic" (which is really illogic), you are calling God a liar, by falsely claiming there is no nation on the face of the Earth that could possibly be Israel, because NO NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH HAS KEPT THE LAW. So, whether it was your intention or not, you're falsely claiming that all of God's promises have been broken.

Are you starting to see please how ridiculous and unscriptural your assumptions really are?

Finally, with regard to the punishment of the people Israel for not keeping The Law, which you specifically mentioned, namely: "they wouldn't rule over themselves, and instead, would be ruled over oppressively", that's happened too, in the exact manner it was prophesied, hasn't it (Gen. 27:34-41, Exod. 22:25, Lev. 25, Deut. 23:19-20, Deut. 28:68)?

What do you think the Western system of international finance is please? And when and where did all of this debt slavery begin?

The counterfeit Jew Rothschilds (Nathan Mayer Rothschild in specific) gained control of the British financial system in 1815, using the news they had sped from the battle of Waterloo ahead of British couriers. That financial system of course grew into the system we have today, with the IMF, World Bank, BIS, Bank of England, Federal Reserve and similar central banks in every country around the world thanks to the Rothschilds, many of which were installed at British and/or American gunpoint. Do you think it's some sort of "coincidence" that the British held the world reserve currency whilst they conquered the world, which the Americans then took over in 1944 with the Bretton Woods agreement?

It is because the British (the people of the Covenant - the people Israel) broke their promise and The Covenant and allowed greedy, selfish, and evil people from amongst their own nation to make up their own rules (legislation), economics and customs--which made The Commandments of God of no-effect--that they have been ENSLAVED AGAIN , this time in debt (for now).

It is therefore exactly because we have gone away from God’s Law and its Perfect Economic Policy, given in the Books of Moses (the first five Books of the Bible), and turned to man’s rules, legislation, policies, "codes", etc. from the “Talmud”, that we the people have become slaves AGAIN. Only this time we're not the slaves of foreigners, but of the rich people, whom we allowed to make up all of these oppressive rules to cheat and impoverish us. Rich people from within our own nation.

And that's exactly how the Rothschilds had the leverage they did, to not only author the Balfour Declaration, but to shove it down the British Israelite's throats, after the British liberated Jerusalem from the "treading down of Jerusalem by the Gentiles", likewise exactly as prophesied.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by Him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a Time (360), Times (2 = 720), and an half (180) (1260 years in total - 9/Dec./1917 when Jerusalem was liberated from the "Treading Down of Jerusalem by the Gentiles"); and when He shall have accomplished to scatter the power of The Holy People* (Israel - Gen. 48:11; 16)(Rev. 11:3; 7), all these [things] shall be finished.

*which we are currently seeing in the weakening of the U.S. and U.K., both through debt slavery and through a steady loss of military power throughout the world

Umm... that was referring to Joseph/Manasseh, not a landmass.
According to whom? Certainly not according to God.

Genesis 35:10-12
35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name [is] Jacob (the Supplanter): thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and He called his name Israel (champion of God).
35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation AND a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings SHALL come out of thy loins;
35:12 And THE LAND which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the LAND.

Genesis 48:16-19
48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name [Israel] be named on THEM (let Ephraim AND Manasseh be called Israel), and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a MULTITUDE in the midst of the earth.
48:17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
48:18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this [is] the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know [it], my son, I know [it]: he (Manasseh) also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother (Ephraim) shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude (Commonwealth) of nations.

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the Commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from The Covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

And what land is this that God promised to Israel?

Deuteronomy 11:24 Every place whereon the soles of your feet shall tread shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the river Euphrates, even unto the uttermost sea (the Atlantic, initially and later the whole world) shall your coast be.

We even have the exact order in which Israel was to colonize the world:-

Genesis 28:14 And thy seed shall be as "the dust of the earth", and thou shalt spread abroad to the West (U.S.A.), and to the East (Autralasia), and to the North (Canada), and to the South (Africa): and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

And also no, being an empire doesnt make one Israel.
Who said that it did? Conversely though Israel WILL be a Multitude/Commonwealth of Nations in the latter days according to God, and the Davidic Throne WILL be as 'the sun' before God FOREVER.

Is the British Empire not "the empire on which 'the sun' never sets"?

Babylon was an empire with a multitude of nations under it. So was Egypt. Greece. Rome. Persia. China. The thing all these empires have in common with yours is they werent Torah observant.
Please get this through your "Konkrete Mind": NO NATION OR EMPIRE ON PLANET EARTH HAS EVER COMPLETELY KEPT THE COVENANT/LAW/TORAH, INCLUDING THE ISRAEL NATION OF OLD.

But no nation has been blessed more than Israel throughout history, even when Israel only marginally kept The Law. This has NEVER been about Israel's righteousness, as you're attempting to make it; it has always been about God USING Israel to fulfill HIS prophecies and redeem the REMNANT of Israel that WILL, after 6000 years of trying it our own way (Satan's way really), truly repent, BELIEVE, and return to keeping The Law.

What's interesting about your observations about the empires, is that those empires were likewise prophesied to rise and fall before the FINAL "Stone" Kingdom is established by the people Israel (not other people) in the latter days, which will break apart all of the other kingdoms and shall stand FOREVER. Please see the interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream below, that God gave to Daniel:-

Daniel 2:31-45
2:31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness [was] excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof [was] terrible.
2:32 This image's head [was] of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
2:34 Thou sawest till that a Stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet [that were] of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the "Stone" that smote the image became a great "mountain" (code-word for Government - see Isa. 2:1, Mic. 4:1), and filled the whole earth.
2:36 This [is] the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
2:37 Thou, O king, [art] a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath He given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou [art] this head of gold (the Babylonian Empire).
2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee (Cyrus and the Medo-Persian Empire), and another third kingdom of brass (Alexander the Great's Greek Empire), which shall bear rule over all the earth.
2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron (the Roman Empire): forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all [things]: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided (into the Eastern and Western Roman Empires); but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
2:42 And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay (Rev. 13:1; 17:12), [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
2:44 And in the days of these kings (Rev. 17:12-14) shall the God of heaven set up a Kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the Kingdom shall not be left to OTHER people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the "Stone" was cut out of the "mountain" without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream [is] certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

The "Stone" has a twofold interpretation, meaning Jacob's Pillar-Stone (Lia Fail) which is the Throne of Israel but also meaning The King of Israel himself as well as the Throne (see Genesis 49:10, 22-24).

The King of Israel, the Good Shepherd, the Corner-stone, Shiloh, the Messiah, the Christ is referred to throughout Scripture as the "Stone of Israel" (e.g. Psalm 118 and Matthew 21:42-46).

So again we are left with no other LOGICAL alternative but to take an HONEST look for a KINGDOM that meets ALL of the prophecies.

Who other than the British Empire fulfills ALL of these prophecies/descriptions of Israel during these end-times? NO ONE.

But DavidSon already' brought up a monarchy in Ethiopia claiming to be a monorchy descending from Solomon and Sheba?
Is there CURRENTLY a monarchy in Ethiopia? NO. That alone ends the debate over whether Ethiopia could be Israel. Forever means forever.

Have the Ethiopians ever colonized the world, or are they a nation AND a company/multitude/commonwealth of nations today? NO. That too ends any debate over whether Ethiopia could be Israel.

Further, the Israelites are SEMITES, descended from Noah's son Shem/Sem. Ethiopia is identified in the Bible as Cush, who was descended from Ham, NOT Shem/Sem. So the Ethiopians are HAMITES.

Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham; CUSH (Ethiopia) and Mizraim (Egypt), and Phut (Libya), and Canaan.

This is like my family going to your family's house, spending a vacation there and going back home. Years later, you find remnants of my family being at your house, but go to where Im from and find nothing.
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Where are the commandments in stone in Israel?
Inside (or in the side of) the Ark of The Covenant, which is buried at the Hill of Tara (Torah) in Royal Co. Meath, IRELAND.

Heres a map from 1747, of "Negroland" or West Africa....
Thanks, but that is proof of nothing. Here's one that chronicles the migration of Israel from Samaria to the British Isles (the "isles afar off" northwest of Palestine).

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"Juda" being written of in Africa is similar to what "Eldad the Danite" said about there being Israelites in East Africa... Now can you find a map showing "Israel" being in the middle east before the 1900s?
In Tahpanhes (Tanis) in Egypt, there are the ruins of a palace that was given to Teia Tephi by pharaoh Hophra after he adopted her as his own daughter. That palace, although now in ruins at Tel Defneh, is still known today as "Quasr Bint el Jehudi" which means "Palace of the Daughter of Judah", just as she (Teia Tephi) prophesied in her book that it would be.

Teia Tephi was the daughter of king Zedekiah of Jerusalem (Eze. 17:22), and the only surviving heir of king Zedekiah, who was from the line of David (Judah-Pharez). The Bible prophet Jeremiah, along with Baruch, Jeremiah’s scribe (secretary), came to Tahpanhes (Tanis) in Egypt for safety with the Ark of The Covenant and the Stone of Destiny (Jacob's Pillar), before sailing to Gibraltar, en route to Ireland.

And how do the Irish refer to themselves in their ancient historical texts, which are writtent in Gaelic? As "tuatha de danaan", which literally translates into English as "the tribe of Dan".

Not only do we have maps of their journey, but we have multiple Irish historical records to cross-reference, and Teia Tephi's autobiography providing all of the details of that journey. We also have that journey, from Jerusalem to Ireland, written in stone at Cairn T, at Loughcrew, near Oldcastle, Royal County Meath, IRELAND, where Jeremiah was buried.

And all of this doesn't even scratch the surface regarding the amount of REAL EVIDENCE we have who the TRUE people Israel really are. Over six dozen prophecies in the Bible describing them - NONE of which have been fulfilled by any other nation or group of nations on Earth - and enough other historical evidence and landmarks to fill a library.

Anyone who willfully chooses to ignore this mountain of evidence will obviously remain ignorant of the TRUTH of the matter which, in turn, will render them ignorant of the Scriptures, because the prophecies are all about the people Israel, with whom God made His Covenant.
 
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There is absolutely NOTHING about you that indicates you are A FREE man. You are nothing more than a mental prisoner to your ridiculous book. You can't even keep this tripe in the religious section. Quoting bible passages out of your ass like you are enlightened when all you are is brainwashed.....that's patently clear for all to see.
 
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There is absolutely NOTHING about you that indicates you are A FREE man. You are nothing more than a mental prisoner to your ridiculous book. You can't even keep this tripe in the religious section. Quoting bible passages out of your ass like you are enlightened when all you are is brainwashed.....that's patently clear for all to see.
This is not a religious discussion though, it is about history and when it comes to Israel, the Bible is Israel's Historical Record and Book and so logically, it is being used in the discussion as the main reference.
 

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There is absolutely NOTHING about you that indicates you are A FREE man. You are nothing more than a mental prisoner to your ridiculous book. You can't even keep this tripe in the religious section. Quoting bible passages out of your ass like you are enlightened when all you are is brainwashed.....that's patently clear for all to see.
Still asleep?
 

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This is not a religious discussion though, it is about history and when it comes to Israel, the Bible is Israel's Historical Record and Book and so logically, it is being used in the discussion as the main reference.
If it's not a religious discussion then why are you and your cohort of brainwashed buddies all continuously spouting this Jahbollocks in every thread you crash? You can't even acknowledge you are in some whacky cult!
 

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JEREMIAH IN IRELAND


PROOF FROM THE BIBLE AND THE IRISH ANNALS

By John E Wall

ONE of the most beloved stories of traditional literature written by those who support the modern identity of the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel is the story of the coming of the prophet Jeremiah to Ireland. According to this story shortly after c. 586 BCE when Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, conquered Jerusalem, Jeremiah the prophet, accompanied by his scribe Baruch, and the daughters of Zedekiah, the last king of Judah, fled that country and for a short time resided in Egypt. From there they took ship to Ireland, where one of the daughters married Eochaidh the high king (heremon or ard ri) of Ireland. A variation says that the marriage took place in Jerusalem. The royal couple governed the Emerald Isle from their capital at Tara in County Meath. Jeremiah, at that time an old man, was also reputed to have established a sort of ministerial training college at Tara. He became a revered figure in Irish legend.

Over the course of the centuries the royal line established at Tara was transferred from Ireland to Scotland to England where it survives today in the person of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. A wondrous stone, variously called the Stone of Destiny, Stone of Scone, or Coronation Stone, upon which Her Majesty and her predecessors on the thrones of the three kingdoms were crowned, thought to be the stone that the patriarch Jacob slept on at Bethel (Genesis 28:18-22) was also believed to have been brought to Ireland by Jeremiah.

It is claimed that the story of Jeremiah coming to Ireland can be found in the ancient annals, histories and other literature of the Irish, and indeed references to it abound in the works written by traditional Ten Tribes scholars, especially 19th- century writers. Yet rarely, if ever, do these writers point to any specific history in which this tale may be found, vague references to “Irish annals” usually being made. A few examples will suffice:

One authority states that “Irish historians are unanimous that about 580 B.C. there arrived in Ulster a notable man [Jeremiah], a patriarch or saint, accompanied by an Eastern princess, and a lesser person by the name of Simon Brach or Barech”.(I)

Further that, “Irish tradition tells us that Jeremiah married the princess Tamar Tephi to Eochaidh king of Ireland”.(2)

However, the historians are not named, nor is any particular tradition cited.

Another writer says that “The ancient records of Ireland bear ample testimony to this [Jeremiah’s coming to Ireland] as an historic fact, not only recording the event itself, but also supplying confirmatory evidence by giving the actual date or period of their arrival correctly”.(3)

Again, disappointingly, this author does not name the “ancient records” in which the Jeremiah story may be found; rather we read phrases such as, “the records conclude .. .“(4) and “The royal records state .. . “.(5)

He dates the coming of Jeremiah to Ireland at late in 583 BCE or early 582 BCE.

The closest that any writer comes to naming names is a contemporary author and archaeologist, E. Raymond Capt. In his book, Jacob’s Pillar: A Biblical Historical Study, Capt makes reference to The Chronicles of Eri, The Annals of the Kingdom of Ireland by the Four Masters, The Annals of Clonmacnoise, and The Chronicles of Scotland. He quotes briefly from the latter and gives an extensive recounting of the entire Jeremiah legend in his notable book. However, like the learned writers cited above, Capt does not directly cite any passage in any ancient chronicle which explicitly mentions Jeremiah.(6)

This lack of corroboration of the Jeremiah legend has caused some to doubt the validity of the entire story.

But I will show in this article that Jeremiah is mentioned in the Irish annals and histories, albeit under another name. His Judahite ancestry and prophetic identity are clearly stated and even a brief physical description is given. His friend and amanuensis Baruch is also mentioned. Furthermore, I will name names and give the reader of this article the references by which he may corroborate the story himself.

First, however, in order to understand the proper chronological context of Jeremiah’s coming to Ireland, a brief review of Irish history prior to his arrival is necessary.

HISTORY OF IRELAND PRIOR TO JEREMIAH

Admittedly, the history of this ancient land can at times be confusing. It is said that the Irish like nothing so much as a good story, and their willingness to romanticise and embellish has led to a certain confusion. On the other hand, it is not entirely their fault. Much of the blame can be laid at the feet of Catholic monks who altered the traditional Irish histories, or invented their own, in order to deliberately hide the Israelite ancestry of the Irish people. For instance, they attempted to portray the Irish as descendants of Magog, son of Japheth!

Irish history begins, as the history of every civilisation does, after the Flood of Noah’s day. For three hundred years after that catastrophic event, Ireland was an uninhabited land. A claim to sovereignty over Ireland was made, according to historian Herman L. Hoeh who refers to Irish annals, by the Assyrian king Ninus, son of Bel, but the land was not colonised permanently.(7)

In c. 2069 BCE, again according to Hoeh who uses Geoffrey Keating’s History of Ireland as his source, a Hebrew named Parthalon with his followers settled the land and established a kingdom, the country being divided into four parts after his death. The date, however, is open to some question. If the P-r-t in the name Partholan can be equated with the b-r-t of the Hebrew brit (covenant), then it is difficult to see how this would have referred to a descendant of Abraham, who had not yet even been born. Moreover, as one authority states, “[t]he Partholanian (Parthalonian] story is clearly a variant of that of the eponymous ancestor of the British, Brutus [Greek: Peirithoos] the Trojan, with which it has been confused”.(8) Brutus arrived in Britain c. 1103 BCE, according to one scholar. (9) Others claim an earlier date, c. 1149 BCE. If this is so, then the date of 2069 BCE is impossible. The same source quoted above claims that Parthalon was a Milesian (see below).

In any event, the Parthalonians, whoever they may have been, ruled Ireland intermittently until 1709 BCE, when a tragedy befell them at the hands of Phoenician Formorians. The island was then invaded by Nemedians from Scythia who lived in Ireland until 1492 BCE, being ruled by the Formorians for much of this period. A portion of the Nemedians escaped during their sojourn in the land and returned in 1492 BCE as the Fir-Bolgs.

In 1456 BCE, a contingent of the famous Tuatha (pronounced “Too-ah”) de Danaan (“Tribe of Dan”) arrived in Ireland and ruled for 440 years until 1016 BCE. A second contingent came in 1213 BCE during the days of Deborah and Barak (Judges 5:17). Finally, in 1016 BCE, toward the end of the reign of King David of Israel, another Hebrew people, the Milesians, descendants of Eber the Hebrew according to Hoeh, conquered the Danaan (Danites), forcing them to accept their rule. The kingdom of Ireland was then divided between the two sons of Milesius, Ebher and Ghede the Ereamhon (Heremon or Erimionn, or high king) and a capital was established at Tobrad, also known as Tea-mur, Tamhair, Teamhara, and now called Tara.

Throughout all these invasions the Irish have meticulously maintained the record of their kings. Lists of these kings can be found in Geoffrey Keating’s History of Ireland, O’Flaherty’s Ogygia, and A..-M.-H.-J. Stokvis’s Manuel d’Histoire, volume II, pages 234-235.

For our purposes here, however, the royal line that most concerns us is that of Nemedh, reputed ancestor of the Hebrew people who invaded Ireland c. 1709 BCE. His royal descendants are listed in various sources, sometimes differently, yet they are important to our story, because it is in this genealogy whether always precisely accurate or not, that we find Jeremiah in Irish history, though under another name.

NEMEDIANS AND MILESIANS

Throughout this article, I have tried to pursue my objective, that of identifying Jeremiah in Irish history, in a manner that is easy for the reader to understand. The history of Ireland is confusing enough as it is without bringing in legends, fables, and tales of bravery and romance by the heroes of this “Holy Land” in the Atlantic. For this reason, I will confine myself to a discussion of Nemedh and his reputed descendants, one in particular whom I will identify with the Biblical Jeremiah.

Historian Geoffrey Keating, writing of the expedition of Nemedh to Ireland in “thirty-four ships, with a crew of thirty in each ship”(10) said that this party of colonisers was led by “Nemedh and his four sons, Stain, Larbanel the Prophet, Anind and Fergus Leth-derg (Fergus of the Red Side)”.(11) In the Annals of Clonmacnoise, the same four sons are named, in a different order (the father is called Neuie McAgamemnon): “with his foure sonns [camel Into Ireland out of Greece, his sonnes names alsoe were Sdarne, Jaruanell [Larbanel], the prophett, Fergus Leahderg, ... and Anynn [which] people Ruled Ireland 382 yeares”.(12)

Another historical source, the Leabhar Gabhala (Book of Conquests) agrees, adding that Iarbanel the Prophet was a Nemedian chief. (Though Iarbanel is called a “son” of Nemedh, this need not literally be true. It simply means he is a descendant of Nemedh.) The account reads: “Now as for Neimedh [Nemedh], he had four chiefs with him, Stain, Iarbanel the Prophet, Fergus Redside, and Ainnian. They were four sons of Neimedh”.(l 3)

Still another account names Nemedh the ancestor of the Danaans. Keating writes, “Some antiquarians say, that the nation, of whom we are now treating, were called Tuatha-De-Danaan, from Brian, Iuchar and Iucharba, the three sons of Dana, daughter of Delbaeth, son of Elathan, son of Niadh, son of Indae, son of Allae, son of Tath, son of Tabam, son of Enda or Enna, son of Beothach, son of Ibaath, son of Bathach, son of Iarbanel, son of Nemedh”.(14)

We find an echo of this in the Leabhar Gabhala, naming the same names as above (except that Elathan is called the son of Delbaeth) and also that “Larbanel the Prophet [is the], son of Neimedh [Nemedh], son of Agnoman”.(15) (Agnoman is an obvious reference to Agamemnon, king of the Greek Mycenae, who led an expedition against the Trojans to recover Helen, wife of Agamemnon’s brother Menelaus, king of Sparta. See also Neuie McAgamemnon, above.)

Two other figures from Irish history, Bres of the Danaan and Nuadh Silver-Arm claim descent from Nemedh.(16) Iarbanel is mentioned in both genealogies as a son of Nemedh. The Milesians also figure into this tale, but more on that later.

All this need not be as confusing as it looks, as there is a common thread running through all these genealogies. Whether we speak of Nemedians, Fir-Bolgs (a branch of the Nemedians), Danaans, or Milesians, all these peoples were Hebrews. As the Nemedians preceded the other peoples, it is clear that the Irish historians have attempted to trace the lineage of their kings to this island’s earliest Hebrew ancestors.

But still we have not identified Jeremiah in Irish history. Or have we? Actually, we have stumbled across his name several times already without recognising it. The next section will positively identify Jeremiah in the annals of ancient Ireland.

WHO WAS IARBANEL?

In all the genealogies of Nemedh’s descendants, one name is met with consistently: Iarbanel the Prophet. Who was he? Where did he come from? Do the annals have anything to say about him that might be germane to our argument? Astoundingly, the Irish histories have several important things to say about Iarbanel, enough to answer the above questions. They give us the land of his birth (not Ireland), a brief physical description, and a description of his character. Yet, outside of Irish history, nothing seems to be known about him. I will demonstrate, however, that once we have established the identity of Iarbanel, a great deal is known about him.

Iarbanel is clearly stated to be a descendant (“son of”) Nemedh, the Hebrew chieftain. This obviously makes Larbanel also a Hebrew. Furthermore, Iarbanel is also unique in that he is called a prophet, the only one of Nemedh’s descendants so called.

Nor is Larbanel the only name by which he is known in Irish history. He is also found in the Milesian story as well. Again, Keating, in his account of founders of a sort of school established by Fenius Farsa in Egypt after the Tower of Tahpanhes was abandoned. He writes, “The three sages that held the chief direction of this great school were Fenius Farsa from Scythia; Gaedal, son of Ethor, of the race of Gomer, from Greece; and Caei, the Eloquent (or the Just), from Judea, or Iar (Iarbanel], son of Nemha [Nemedh], as others call him ...“.(17)

Notice that Larbanel, known here by the name Caei, is called an “eloquent” and a “just” man. Also note that he comes from Judea! As for the name Tahpanhes, this should be familiar to Bible students. The name is found in the book of Jeremiah: “So they [a party of rebellious Jews, with faithful Jeremiah, his secretary Baruch, and King Zedekiah’s daughters] came into the land of Egypt: for they (the Jews) obeyed not the voice of the Lord: thus they came even to Tahpanhes” (Jeremiah 43:7). The Jewish refugees lived in Tahpanhes temporarily, and, according to legend, Jeremiah, his scribe, and the king’s daughters left that place to continue their journey to Ireland.

But Irish historians have more to say about Iarbanel. Keating, quoting from the Leabhar Gabhala, gives us the following lines from a poem: “The Fair Iarbanel, a prophet true, /Was son of Nemedh, son of Ardnaman- / To this gray hero, mighty in spells / Was born Beothach of wild steeds”.(18)

Here Iarbanel is called “fair” (which may refer to lightness of skin or a mild and pacific temperament or a man of sympathy, deep feeling and justice), a “prophet true” (as opposed to a false prophet); a “gray hero”; and, “mighty of spells”, i.e., a miracle-worker.

What have we learned about Iarbanel so far? Firstly, he was a Hebrew, a true prophet, who came from Judea, during the time of Jeremiah’s stay at Tahpanhes. He was an eloquent and a just man, fair of skin and/or temperament, an old man, considered a hero and a worker of miracles.

What do we know about Jeremiah? Firstly, he was a Hebrew, a true prophet (Jeremiah 1:5) coming from a priestly family (Jeremiah 1:1); he came from Judea (Anathoth in Judah, a town northeast of Jerusalem-Jeremiah 1:1). He spoke the word of the Lord often and eloquently, rising early (Jeremiah 7:13, 25; 25:3; 35:14), speaking of justice (Jeremiah 22:15; 23:5; 31:23; 50:7). His eloquence, given to Jeremiah by God Himself (Jeremiah 1:7, 9) is revealed in his words and in this admission from the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia that, “As far as the form of his poetic utterances is concerned, Jeremiah is of a poetical nature. ... He often speaks in the meter of an elegy”.(19) As for “fair” (in the temperamental sense) and just, the ISBE says that Jeremiah “was, by nature, gentle and tender in his feelings, and sympathetic”. (20)

At the time of his flight from Judea, Jeremiah would have been an old man. The ISBE says that “At that time (the time of Jeremiah’s stay at Tahpanhes] Jeremiah must have been from 70 to 80 years old”.(21) After a long life in the Lord’s service, enduring many trials, a ‘‘gray hero” indeed.

The evidence brought forth from Irish history and the Bible favours the identification of Iarbanel with Jeremiah. But a nagging question remains: the name Iarbanel itself. What is its derivation and what does it mean?

At the beginning of this article I promised to actually name Jeremiah in the Irish annals. I will now do so. The name Jeremiah in Hebrew is Yirmeyahu, abbreviated to Yirmeyah. It means “the Lord establishes”. The beginning letters in the name are yod and resh. It is possible, in fact, on the basis of the evidence presented here, more than likely that the letters “Lar” in “Larbanel” are simply an abbreviation for the name Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah), a transliteration into the Irish tongue of the yod and resh of the prophet’s name. But what does the rest of the name larbanel mean-”banel”? With an elementary knowledge of Hebrew, the meaning is easy to discover. “Ban” is simply the Hebrew ben, meaning “son of”; “el” is the Hebrew El, meaning “God”. Remembering that “Lar” is a short form of the name Jeremiah, one can easily see that Iarbanel, translated from Hebrew to English is Iar ben El, or “Jeremiah, the son of God”!

As a true prophet of God, who had God’s Holy Spirit within him, Jeremiah could legitimately be called a son of God. The Lord Himself as much said so, “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou carnest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations” - (Jeremiah 1:5). As a “sanctified one”, i.e., one set apart for holy use and having the Spirit of God, Jeremiah certainly qualified as a saint.

Was Iarbanel also a saint? The Irish annals do not explicitly say so, but it can be assumed that for a “just” man who was a “prophet true” and “mighty of spells”, and whose name meant “son of God”, sainthood was at least a distinct possibility. It is interesting to note that the Irish word for saint is namh (pronounced “nav”), and that Iarbanel is said to be a son of Nemedh, also spelled Nemha. Is there a philological connection between Nemedh/Nemha and namh? More light on this question will be shed later, but for now let us note the opinion of Yair Davidy, a respected Israeli Ten Tribes researcher, who points out that, “Nemha [Nemedh] (i.e. in ‘Iar son of Nemha’ above) is from the same root as Nemedian’ and means sanctified” (22) (emphasis mine). A sanctified person is a saint!

The evidence presented in this article leads to only one conclusion: that Iarbanel was Jeremiah. If one does not believe that Iarbanel was Jeremiah, then one is forced to believe that an amazing thing has happened. It has happened that a Hebrew prophet, a true prophet of the Lord in whom God’s Holy Spirit dwelt and was thus a “son of God”, who was a saint, who lived in Judea, who fled to Tahpanhes in Egypt with his secretary and friend Baruch and others, who was an eloquent speaker and a gentle man who preached justice, who was an old man and a worker of miracles, disappeared from the face of the earth.

At the same time in history there appeared in Ireland, a Hebrew prophet, whose name means “son of God”, a true prophet, who was considered a saint, who lived in Judea, who fled to Tahpanhes in Egypt, who had a “son" named Brec, (23) who was an eloquent and a just man, who was an old man and “mighty in spells”, appeared on the scene, fully formed, literally out of nowhere.

If one does not believe that Iarbanel was Jeremiah, one must believe that this is all a coincidence.

The coincidence is impossible. Iarbanel was Jeremiah. It is a fact of history.

AN HONEST OBJECTION EXAMINED

Before leaving this subject however, it is only fair to mention that an alternative identity for Iarbanel has been proposed. In the third volume of his great trilogy on the identity of the Ten Tribes, Lost Israelite Identity, esteemed Israeli researcher Yair Davidy proposes that Iarbanel was Jar (or Yair) of Judah. He writes, “ ‘Jar’ or ‘Yair’ or ‘Jair’ is recorded in the Bible as a descendant of Judah who settled in the land of Gilead of Machir in Menasseh (sic)” (24) and furthermore that, “Yair in the Bible was linked to both Judah and to Gilead of Menasseh (sic) east of the Jordan one of whose sons was Peresh (‘Separated’ or ‘Sanctified’) which name is identical with that of ‘Nemha’ in Irish”. (25)

There is no doubt that Jar (or Yair) existed and that he was also a Hebrew, and that he came from Judah or Judea. This he shares in common with Iarbanel, but that is where the similarity ends. Iar-Yair could not have been Iarbanel for the following reasons: Yair is nowhere in the Bible called a prophet as is Iarbanel in the Irish annals or Jeremiah in Scripture; he was not a saint nor was he sanctified; there is no evidence that he was eloquent of speech or particularly just as were Iarbanel and Jeremiah; he did not leave Judah to come to Egypt; he did not work miracles; he did not have a secretary/”son” named Baruch or Brec; he was not venerated in history as were both Iarbanel and Jeremiah.

Some will argue, however, that Davidy’s point concerning Yair being “linked” to both Judah and Gilead of Manasseh one of whose sons had a name meaning “separated" or “sanctified”, indicates the identity of Iar-Yair-Jair with Iarbanel. But I will show that the true link exists, in both a physical and spiritual sense, not between Yair and Judah and/or Manasseh, but between Iarbanel-Jeremiah and Aaron, brother of Moses.

Let us remember that anciently “son of” need not represent a direct father-son relationship, but only a descendancy or even a spiritual relationship of a student to his spiritual teacher. Jeremiah was the “son of [father-son relationship] of Hilkiah, of the priests that were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin” (Jeremiah 1:1). Anathoth was a priestly town.

E. W. Bullinger in a note to Jeremiah 1:1 in his Companion Bible, in comparing the priestly lines of Eleazar and Ithamar says that “Anathoth belonged to that [line] of Ithamar". This is not a common name in Scripture and only one man bears it. Ithamar is the fourth son of Aaron who founded a line of priests (I Chronicles 24:3, 6). It is obvious that if Jeremiah’s father, Hilkiah, who lived in Anathoth, was of the line of Ithamar, son of Aaron, then this makes Jeremiah a descendant (“son of”) Aaron as well.

Is there any evidence from the Bible that Iarbanel-Jeremiah was the “son of” a “Nemha” (“sanctified one”) or a namh (saint)? Could such a description apply to Aaron? Certainly! The Bible confirms it. Aaron was consecrated as a priest of the Lord, separated, sanctified, and given the Holy Spirit of God. Speaking to Moses, God says that “[thou] shalt anoint them [Aaron and his Sons], and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest’s office” (Exodus 28:41). See also Exodus 40:13, Numbers 3:3; 29:29.

Thus Iarbanel-Jeremiah was also a son of “Nemha”, namh, a “sanctified one”. Even more so, since the sanctification is a spiritual as well as a fleshly one; whereas in the case of Peresh/Pharez (“separated”) only a tribal separation is implied. No spiritual or physical sanctification, both appropriate to a prophet, son of a priest, of a line of priests, can be inferred from the meaning of the name Peresh/Pharez (who was not a priest in any case). Furthermore, namh has an applicability to Iarbanel-Jeremiah entirely lacking for Peresh/Pharez.

CONCLUSION

The evidence is in. The conclusion is obvious. Iarbanel was Jeremiah. Contrary to the doubting opinions of some, Jeremiah is mentioned in the Irish annals, under another name.

This of course is not the total answer to all the mystery surrounding Jeremiah in Ireland. The question of Ollam Fodhla, variously called a prophet and a king in Irish history, needs to be explored. There are also questions that need to be answered concerning King Zedekiah’s daughters allegedly taken to Ireland by Jeremiah, the identity of Eochaidh the Heremon, the whereabouts of the wondrous stone, harp, and ark which were also carried to Ireland by Jeremiah according to legend. But that is for further research and/or revelation.

For now, it needs only to be said that Jeremiah came to Ireland, as proven from Irish and Biblical history. His coming was part of the purpose of God for his people of Israel, a purpose ironically revealed every day, yet seen by few. Let us pray that with further research and revelation the few will one day become many.

NOTES AND REFERENCES

(1). Haberman, Frederick. Tracing OurAncestors. Bumaby, B.C., Canada: The Association of The Covenant People, 1934, p. 153.

(2). Ibid., p. 153.

(3). Fox, John S. The World’s Greatest Throne. Burnaby, B.C., Canada: The Association of The Covenant People, n.d., p.23.

(4). Ibid.,p. 24.

(5). Ibid.,p. 24.

(6). Capt, E. Raymond, M.A.,A.I.A., F.R.S.A. (Scot.),Jacob’s Pillar: A Biblical Historical Study. Thousand Oaks, Calif.: Artisan Sales, 1977.

(7). Hoeh, Herman L., Ph.D. Compendium of World History. Pasadena, Calif.: Ambassador College, 1963. See Volume I, Chapter 18. Much of my review of Ireland’s ancient history comes from Hoeh’s two-volume work on the ancient history of the world.

(8). Bible Research Handbook. London: Covenant Publishing Co. Ltd., 1946, Serial No. I 18a.

(9). Haberman, op. cit., p. 74.

(10). Keating, Geoffrey. The History of Ireland from the Earliest Period to the English Invasion. Translated by John O’Mahony, New York, 1866, p. 122.

(11). Keating, ibid., p. 122.

(12).Annals of Clonmacnoise, from the Creation to A.D. 1408. Translated by Conell MaGeoghagan, 1627. Edited by Denis Murphy. Dublin: University Press, 1896, p. 14.

(13). Leabhar Gabhala or the Book of the Conquests of Ireland. Michael O’Cleirigh (rec.). Dublin: University College, sec.44.

(14). Keating, op. cit., p. 140.

(15). Leabhar Gabhala, sec. 100.

(16). Leabhar Gabhala, secs. 106,107.

(17). Keating, pp. 155,166. The observant reader may object to my reference to the Tower of Tahpanhes in the story of Fenius Farsa, Gaedal, and Caei the Eloquent (or Caei the Just), as according to Keating the school was established after the Flood on the “plain of Shenaar”. However, it is obvious that the Tower of Babel and the “Tower” of Tahpanhes have been confused in Keating’s account. Neither Scythia nor Judea existed at the time of the Tower of Babel, nor was Caei-Iar yet even born. “Shenaar” may refer to the plain of Shinar mentioned in Genesis. Or could it be an echo of Goshen, the location of Tahpanhes

(18). Keating, op. cit., p. 138.

(19). International Standard Bible Encyclopedia. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Wm. B. Eerdinans Publishing Co., Volume III, p. 1590.

(20). ISBE, 111:1589.

(21). ISBE, 111:1588.

(22). Davidy, Yair. Lost Israelite Identity. Jerusalem, Israel: Russell-Davis Publishers, n.d., p. 349-350.

(23). Keating, op. cit., p. 126. In Keating’s history, Simeon Brec is the son of Starn, son of Nemedh. In the Leabhar Gabhala, he is either the son of Erglan, son of Beoan, son of Starn, son of Neimedh [Nemedh] (sec. 67); or he is, significantly, son of Iarbanel, son of Neimedh [Nemedh] (sec. 53).

(24). Davidy, op. cit., p. 350.

(25). Davidy, ibid., p. 350.


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....not one single original personal thought..... I rest my case
Research of this type is normally conducted by reviewing and comparing existing information, mostly, in order to then be able to see the picture that the information reveals and paints and then begin to draw conclusions.
 
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The Scriptures are crystal clear on this subject.
Agreed.

Deuteronomy 28
If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. 2 All these blessings will come on you and accompany you if you obey the Lord your God:

13 The Lord will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the commands of the Lord your God that I give you this day and carefully follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom.

Its that plain and simple. Yet we look at the people you point to and for CENTURIES cant see them doing anything Hebraic. All that control you're saying God gave them, and what glory do they give them in their lands? Nothing. Its all pagan/Roman stuff. Which is their prerogative. But when you come and try to connect them to the biblical Isralites? Nah. Not gonna fly...

*NOTE: Not that long ago, it was still standard practice to refer to the human race (men and women) collectively as "mankind". So this promise to David--that one of his descendants (male or female - "his seed" or “the fruit of thy body") would sit on the throne of Israel forever—does not preclude female descendants from fulfilling that prophecy (see The Law - Num. 27:1-8).
Theres no such thing as a "queen of Israel" (biblically that is)... Correct me if Im wrong of course...

Furthermore, according to your "logic" (which is really illogic), you are calling God a liar, by falsely claiming there is no nation on the face of the Earth that could possibly be Israel, because NO NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH HAS KEPT THE LAW. So, whether it was your intention or not, you're falsely claiming that all of God's promises have been broken.

Are you starting to see please how ridiculous and unscriptural your assumptions really are?
No Im not seeing it because you're not explaining what Im asking. Show me the bible saying that Israel would disobey the covenant for 300+ years, and still be ruling over themselves and others? Show me where it says they'll be in disobedience and actually sign over the land PROMISED TO THEM, to another group falsely claiming to be them? Thats what you say happened right? Where is that in the bible?

2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron (the Roman Empire): forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all [things]: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided (into the Eastern and Western Roman Empires); but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
Ding Ding Ding!!! Thats who is in power now. The "Royal family" acts as the monarch to the system, the bankers are the financial aspect of the system, and the pope is spiritual aspect to the system. They all work hand in hand in regards to whats going on.

In 300 years, what Hebrew holidays, have the people you claim are Israelites celebrated? None. How about the calendar? Have they switched to the Hebrew calendar from the ROMAN one they use? Not a chance. How about switching from telling time by the sun to the moon like the Hebrews did? Nope, not that either. So how can you act confused when you've had 3 CENTURIES to show your Hebrew roots and havent? Everywhere they've gone they've pushed people further away from following the Torah than pushing them closer. Some came and passed out syphilis blankets. Others came and purposely got people hooked on alchohol. And instead of empowering theirselves into the land that you say is promised to them, they empowered another group you say is falsely claiming to be them into THEIR LAND. And of course, none of this is biblical...


Is there CURRENTLY a monarchy in Ethiopia? NO. That alone ends the debate over whether Ethiopia could be Israel. Forever means forever.

Have the Ethiopians ever colonized the world, or are they a nation AND a company/multitude/commonwealth of nations today? NO. That too ends any debate over whether Ethiopia could be Israel.

Further, the Israelites are SEMITES, descended from Noah's son Shem/Sem. Ethiopia is identified in the Bible as Cush, who was descended from Ham, NOT Shem/Sem. So the Ethiopians are HAMITES.

Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham; CUSH (Ethiopia) and Mizraim (Egypt), and Phut (Libya), and Canaan.


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Inside (or in the side of) the Ark of The Covenant, which is buried at the Hill of Tara (Torah) in Royal Co. Meath, IRELAND.
Sorry, but Hebrews determine lineage through the FATHER not the mother. So if their father was Solomon, they are Hebrew. Thats why David's mother (or grandmother) was Moabite, yet he still was considered Israel. And their claim was that they descended from Solomon and Sheba....

And they were a monarchy till the caucasian Euro in Italy forcefully put an end to them by colonizing them. Which is a characteristic that followed the people you call Israel.. I mean there is this:

Dum Diversas:
We grant you by these present documents, with our Apostolic Authority, full and free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they may be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and other property [...] and to reduce their persons into perpetual servitude

Thats what your colonization is about. Enslaving people in other lands to their benefit.. And not while en route to following the Creator's commandments, but to following Rome. Rome's holidays, Rome's sense of time, pagan names of days and months, sunday sabbath and more. Your claim is that the Creator blessed His chosen to colonize the world for them to only sign over the land promised to them, to people pretending according to you. All the while following Roman customs for CENTURIES. Again, its not biblical...

Thanks, but that is proof of nothing. Here's one that
Actually its a European map putting "Juda" in Africa. Just as "Eldad the Danite" said there were Israelite tribes in East Africa during the 9th century. Now what I asked you for, was a map from before the 1900s putting "Israel" in the middle East. You cant bring one because there isnt one (and correct me if Im wrong). And by "before the 1900s" I mean a map created before the 1900's. The one you posted was not from before the 1900s.

And how do the Irish refer to themselves in their ancient historical texts, which are writtent in Gaelic? As "tuatha de danaan", which literally translates into English as "the tribe of Dan".

Not only do we have maps of their journey, but we have multiple Irish historical records to cross-reference, and Teia Tephi's autobiography providing all of the details of that journey. We also have that journey, from Jerusalem to Ireland, written in stone at Cairn T, at Loughcrew, near Oldcastle, Royal County Meath, IRELAND, where Jeremiah was buried.

And all of this doesn't even scratch the surface regarding the amount of REAL EVIDENCE we have who the TRUE people Israel really are. Over six dozen prophecies in the Bible describing them - NONE of which have been fulfilled by any other nation or group of nations on Earth - and enough other historical evidence and landmarks to fill a library.

Anyone who willfully chooses to ignore this mountain of evidence will obviously remain ignorant of the TRUTH of the matter which, in turn, will render them ignorant of the Scriptures, because the prophecies are all about the people Israel, with whom God made His Covenant.
Well I've been letting you slide on certain things, but heres the thing. There was so called black people ruling Europe before the caucasian. I already showed the "wildman vs moors" German tapestry that showed "black" people in a castle defending themselves from the "wildmen" who were on the attack. Heres a list of Incan Kings from Peru:



Thats Charles V of Spain, who was born in BELGIUM. The same color as the Incan kings according to THEIR drawings. And what you should notice is that the European kings start off black, then turn white. So when you talk about history, unless you're willing to address all of it Im personally going to look at you with the side eye.
 
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Although it is true that the Israelites have never fully kept the Covenant, or been even moderately successful with keeping it for any sustained period of time,
Huh? You cant point to a time period where the modern European was Torah observant AT ALL. While Elijah Middlebrook Haines(to name one person) wrote that the American Indians had Hebrew like customs.

The Native Americans got the stone tablets from Israelites who visited America from the time of Solomon's Navy and onwards, long before Columbus ever sailed to America.

"The Bible asserts Solomon's fleets embarked on voyages which lasted three years before they returned to Israel with wildlife from other continents (I Kings 10:22). Solomon's navy was privy to all the navigational knowledge which the globe-trotting Phoenicians of Tyre and Sidon possessed (I Kings 9:27, II Chronicles 8:17-18). I Kings 9:27 records that King Hiram's sailors and Solomon's sailors jointly crewed the ships of the Phoenician/Israelite fleets so there was nothing the Phoenician mariners knew which wasn't also known to the Israelite mariners.

The presence of Phoenician/Hebrew inscriptions in North America and all over the globe is evidence that Solomon's fleets literally explored the globe during his reign. There are many more Hebrew inscriptions in North America than the Los Lunas and Decalogue artifacts. Another one was the Bat Creek stone, a Hebrew inscription from the American Southeast, which the establishment declared to be a forgery until it was realized they were trying to read it upside down. Dr. Cyrus Gordon, one of the most esteemed American archaeologists and epigraphers, declared the Bat Creek stone to be a valid ancient Hebrew inscription (see his book, Before Columbus, pp. 175-187). Dr. Gordon's books also shows photographs of ancient Jewish coins dug up in ancient North American sites. There is no question that ancient Hebrew-speaking Israelites were present in ancient North America. Indeed, Dr. Gordon denounces with some vehemence those who deny that other civilizations were not present in North America long before Columbus (p. 187).


Columbus did not discover America, Phoenician-Israelites (not Jewish) discovered America
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at least 2,000 years before Columbus was born):
Problem is that we cant seem to find any stone tablets of the commandments elsewhere. So like my analogy to "Free"man said, its like they came here and left remnants of them being here, but in the middle east,their HOME, left nothing. Where are the stone tablets there where their homebase allegedly was? And no the hearsay "Ark of the covenant" being in Ireland doesnt count either.
 

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Agreed.

Deuteronomy 28
If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. 2 All these blessings will come on you and accompany you if you obey the Lord your God:

13 The Lord will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the commands of the Lord your God that I give you this day and carefully follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom.

Its that plain and simple. Yet we look at the people you point to and for CENTURIES cant see them doing anything Hebraic. All that control you're saying God gave them, and what glory do they give them in their lands? Nothing. Its all pagan/Roman stuff. Which is their prerogative. But when you come and try to connect them to the biblical Isralites? Nah. Not gonna fly...



Theres no such thing as a "queen of Israel" (biblically that is)... Correct me if Im wrong of course...



No Im not seeing it because you're not explaining what Im asking. Show me the bible saying that Israel would disobey the covenant for 300+ years, and still be ruling over themselves and others? Show me where it says they'll be in disobedience and actually sign over the land PROMISED TO THEM, to another group falsely claiming to be them? Thats what you say happened right? Where is that in the bible?



Ding Ding Ding!!! Thats who is in power now. The "Royal family" acts as the monarch to the system, the bankers are the financial aspect of the system, and the pope is spiritual aspect to the system. They all work hand in hand in regards to whats going on.

In 300 years, what Hebrew holidays, have the people you claim are Israelites celebrated? None. How about the calendar? Have they switched to the Hebrew calendar from the ROMAN one they use? Not a chance. How about switching from telling time by the sun to the moon like the Hebrews did? Nope, not that either. So how can you act confused when you've had 3 CENTURIES to show your Hebrew roots and havent? Everywhere they've gone they've pushed people further away from following the Torah than pushing them closer. Some came and passed out syphilis blankets. Others came and purposely got people hooked on alchohol. And instead of empowering theirselves into the land that you say is promised to them, they empowered another group you say is falsely claiming to be them into THEIR LAND. And of course, none of this is biblical...




Sorry, but Hebrews determine lineage through the FATHER not the mother. So if their father was Solomon, they are Hebrew. Thats why David's mother (or grandmother) was Moabite, yet he still was considered Israel. And their claim was that they descended from Solomon and Sheba....

And they were a monarchy till the caucasian Euro in Italy forcefully put an end to them by colonizing them. Which is a characteristic that followed the people you call Israel.. I mean there is this:

Dum Diversas:
We grant you by these present documents, with our Apostolic Authority, full and free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they may be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and other property [...] and to reduce their persons into perpetual servitude

Thats what your colonization is about. Enslaving people in other lands to their benefit.. And not while en route to following the Creator's commandments, but to following Rome. Rome's holidays, Rome's sense of time, pagan names of days and months, sunday sabbath and more. Your claim is that the Creator blessed His chosen to colonize the world for them to only sign over the land promised to them, to people pretending according to you. All the while following Roman customs for CENTURIES. Again, its not biblical...



Actually its a European map putting "Juda" in Africa. Just as "Eldad the Danite" said there were Israelite tribes in East Africa during the 9th century. Now what I asked you for, was a map from before the 1900s putting "Israel" in the middle East. You cant bring one because there isnt one (and correct me if Im wrong). And by "before the 1900s" I mean a map created before the 1900's. The one you posted was not from before the 1900s.



Well I've been letting you slide on certain things, but heres the thing. There was so called black people ruling Europe before the caucasian. I already showed the "wildman vs moors" German tapestry that showed "black" people in a castle defending themselves from the "wildmen" who were on the attack. Heres a list of Incan Kings from Peru:


Thats Charles V of Spain, who was born in BELGIUM. The same color as the Incan kings according to THEIR drawings. And what you should notice is that the European kings start off black, then turn white. So when you talk about history, unless you're willing to address all of it Im personally going to look at you with the side eye.
Thanks, but no.

If you wish to indulge in your ridiculous fantasy that God was lying to Abraham, and that He was lying about Israel becoming a nation and a company/multitude/commonwealth of nations, and that He was lying about Israel becoming a multitude in the midst of the earth that would number as "the stars of heaven", "the sands upon the sea shores" and "the dust of the earth", and that He was lying to David, and that He was lying about Israel becoming a naval power and controlling the seas, and that He was lying about Israel colonizing the world, including its richest agricultural and mineral wealthy regions and that God was lying about dozens and dozens of other descriptions of true Israel in the latter days, then you do so at your own peril.

You cannot honestly claim to be looking at ALL of the historical evidence, while ignoring the overwhelming majority of it and calling God a liar in the process. Also, IF you were actually familiar with The Law that God gave us, you would know that it makes a very special exception for a dad who doesn't have a male heir, specifically to preserve and retain that dad's lineage and inheritance within the family, therefore making it possible for there to be a queen under those circumstances.

Numbers 27:1-11
27:1 Then came the daughters of Zelophehad, the son of Hepher, the son of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, of the families of Manasseh the son of Joseph: and these [are] the names of his daughters; Mahlah, Noah, and Hoglah, and Milcah, and Tirzah.
27:2 And they stood before Moses, and before Eleazar the priest, and before the princes and all the congregation, [by] the door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation, saying,
27:3 Our father died in the wilderness, and he was not in the company of them that gathered themselves together against the "I AM" in the company of Korah; but died in his own sin, and had no sons.
27:4 Why should the name of our father be done away from among his family, because he hath no son? Give unto us [therefore] a possession among the brethren of our father.
27:5 And Moses brought their cause before the "I AM".
27:6 And the "I AM" spoke unto Moses, saying,
27:7 The daughters of Zelophehad speak right: thou shalt surely give them a possession of an inheritance among their father's brethren; and thou shalt cause the inheritance of their father to pass unto them.
27:8 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a man die, and have no son, then ye SHALL cause his inheritance to pass unto his daughter.
27:9 And if he have no daughter, then ye shall give his inheritance unto his brethren.
27:10 And if he have no brethren, then ye shall give his inheritance unto his father's brethren.
27:11 And if his father have no brethren, then ye shall give his inheritance unto his kinsman that is next to him of his family, and he shall possess it: and it shall be unto the children of Israel a Statute of Judgment, as the "I AM" COMMANDED Moses.

If you want to continue looking out of your side eye, instead of facing the truth, and talking out of both sides of your mouth calling God a liar, so be it. Just don't expect anyone else to indulge in your fantasies (lies).

Romans 3:3-4
3:3 For what if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
 
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