"Not Real Christians"

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Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.​

She isn’t the exception...

What about Jesus? is he the exception? if not, why doesn't this highly-authoritative piece of holy writ mention Jesus in this verse?

 

[Daciple]

In light of this, would please explain with specific examples of how we preach a different gospel and also what is the basis of our being accursed, and Anti-Christ, in that order, if you don't mind? Thanks.

I always find it fascinating that many times on this forum when I ask someone a direct question pertaining to themselves or their beliefs, they refuse to answer the question yet would like for me to answer them first. Wonder why that is?

Should I actually answer you, or should I ramble about something for 3/4 of a Post then ask you a question?

The basis of the Catholic Church being accursed is that they preach a different Gospel than the one recorded in the Bible or preached by Paul.

What is some of the things that differ in the Official Catholic Religion vs True Biblical Christianity as touching the method of Salvation?

Well lets see, first and foremost is that according to the True Official Stance of the Catholic Church, one MUST belong by way of Baptism into, the Catholic Church or else they will go to Hell.

Or how about what the Catholic Church proclaims about Mary:

Mary's role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. "This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to his death";502 it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion

There is the true doctrine of the Catholic Church, that Mary is Co Redeemer along with Jesus. That is Anti Christ and False period.

Or their made up lies about Mary:

"Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."506 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.507

. . . she is our Mother in the order of grace

Mary was NOT free from Sin, to say that is to make her 100% equal with Jesus Christ, which of course IS what the Catholic Church teaches and Catholics that follow the Real Church Doctrine believe, no matter how they try and justify or disguise it, kind of like the whole " I venerate Mary ( thats all it is) and if you dont want to thats fine" type of line. No (whether you do or not personally doesnt matter) the Catholic Church as lifted Mary into a Position of Co Redeemer who as Sinless and Equal to Jesus. All of which is not Biblical and is actually Anti Christ.

The Catholic Church also says she equal to Jesus was taken up bodily into Heaven and position her literally right next to Him in Heaven right now, giving her the same positional authority as Christ. Again all lies, Marys body is in a grave somewhere along with everyone else until the Resurrection and she is in the exact identical position in Heaven as every other person that believed in Christ. She is not what the Catholic Church has made her out to be.

Even the title bestowed upon her is Blasphemy, the Queen of Heaven, are you kidding me? She isnt Queen to anything period. Again if you cant grasp the Blasphemy in that then so be it, but to every Born Again Christian, we all see and know what Blasphemy it is to say Mary is Sinless, was in union with Christ in Salvation, ascended bodily into Heaven and now has been made Queen over all things. Every single one of those things are titles and position only rightfully given to Jesus, to say Mary is any of those things is to raise up Mary and pull down Christ. Blasphemy, a different Gospel and therefore the RCC is Accursed.

Do you need more?

You add to Salvation, which is by Repenting (changing your mind about Sin, the Life Death and Resurrection of Christ) Confessing and Believing on Christ by Grace thru Faith period. I already mentioned that one aspect that you add to Salvation is the fact that you MUST be Baptized into the Catholic Church. People like me and all the other Protestants and literally everyone else apart from the Catholic Church we are all gonna go to Hell because we werent Baptized into the Catholic Church.

Second what does your Catechism say concerning Salvation?

The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation.

The three sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, and Holy Orders confer, in addition to grace, a sacramental character or "seal" by which the Christian shares in Christ's priesthood and is made a member of the Church according to different states and functions. This configuration to Christ and to the Church, brought about by the Spirit, is indelible,40 it remains for ever in the Christian as a positive disposition for grace, a promise and guarantee of divine protection, and as a vocation to divine worship and to the service of the Church. Therefore these sacraments can never be repeated.

According to the Catholic Church one MUST follow after these things which even they say are IN ADDITION TO GRACE for someone to be Saved, that of course is a LIE and therefore again another Gospel, making the Catholic Church and anyone who teaches such things to be accursed.

The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation.59 He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.60 Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.61 The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

This is all lies, baptism in water is NOT Salvation dependent, only Repentance, Confession and Belief at which time one is Baptized BY THE HOLY SPIRIT and then continues into Water Baptism to outwardly show what Jesus has already done internally.

The Catholic Church also teaches that infants need to be Baptized or they risk going to Hell if they die, and they also teach that the Baptism of an infant confirms them unto Salvation and the Church as tho it is possible for a baby to understand its need of a Savior, to Repent, Confess or Believe on Christ.

I literally could fill this entire forum with things directly from the Catholic Catechism that directly goes against the Biblical Gospel, which as I quoted means the Catholic Church and those who teach these Blasphemous teachings are accursed...

So there are some of the many reasons why the Catholic Church is accursed, I answer your questions, I do hope you are willing to answer mine...

After this, would you mind explaining to everyone how/why the Catholic Church (we're not all Roman Rite) is a Cult?

The #1 sign of a Cult is that it reserves Salvation to belonging to its Church or Group and everyone else is without hope of Salvation. Whether you are willing to be honest and admit the Catholics actual position of who is saved vs who isnt, the fact is, one must do the things I have already laid out (and more) within the confines of the Catholic Church to receive Salvation.

Just as one must be apart of the Mormon Church to be able to be Saved, or part of the 7 Day Adventists to be Saved, or part of the Watchtower/Jehovah Witnesses to be Saved, or follow Muhammad and his regulations to be Saved. All of these are examples of Cults, man made ideologies apart from what the Bible Teaches concerning Salvation that then adds a stipulation that you must join said Cult in order to receive Salvation.

The Catholic Church is the largest Cult in the World, followed by Islam...

I have trouble believing that you know "most Catholics"

Obviously my intention is that most of the Catholics I have come to know either personally or thru the internet. And while you are trying to decry my statement, you then make a confirming statement as tho YOU know most Catholics, and that my statement concerning them is correct- For a very long time, too long, Catholics have not had a great understanding of the teachings of the Church and Scripture

I am glad tho that while according to you I cant speak for Catholics, we have you here now that are going to take all 1+ billion on your shoulders and speak for all them, since again I am so out of touch with Catholics (although am correct about the 2 points I made concerning them, after Tradition and dont know Scripture)

You are correct, however, in saying that we Catholics are so by tradition, but so are you, if are a believer.

I do not abide by the Traditions of the Catholic Church and as much as you wish to whitewash history and try and claim that the Catholic Church is why we have the Bible or any other aspect of the Christian Faith I am here to tell you that studying History myself, I know that is actually all BS. The Catholic Church hindered Christianity, persecuted Christianity, stained Christianity and still to this day serves the one it was intended and set up to serve and I am telling you it is NOT Jesus Christ.

As I say these things I want to make clear that I personally make a distinction between a Catholic person, such as yourself and the Catholic Church as the Theocratic Entity that it is, along with its rulers and leaders who spearhead, and run the Church. I dont necessarily believe that you are out here worshiping Satan directly (and may not be indirectly) but the Organization in which you belong without a doubt was created by and is here to serve Satan.

. You see, we Catholics also live by what's in Scripture - perhaps even more so than non-Catholics

You see, I do not believe that in the least. There are very few Catholics that I have met or know that truly live a Christian life. Almost every Catholic I have ever met, lives identically to the World, cussing, gambling, fornicating, ect ect ect and then every once in awhile goes to a Mass, does some Religious Activity and is told they are good to go. I also come from a Catholic Family, both sides of my Family were Catholics, one side still is, thankfully the other side all Repented of their Catholic upbringing and many are now Born Again Christians. My mother and father were both Catholics, so I do have a bit of experience with your Religion, altho I myself was never a Catholic. My mother was Born Again and my Dad is like most Catholics, dont even really care about God or Religion because he was raised in it and they told him since he did the things needed as a child, he is good to go.

He has no saving Faith, he has no testimony of Salvation, when he was Born Again, why? Because he like most all Catholics is still Lost. Sadly Religion especially the Catholic Religion is like a vaccine, by which I mean this. The way a vaccine is "supposed" to work is that you are given just a bit of a disease and then your body becomes immune to the full on real disease. This Religion, my dad and billions of others, they were given just a bit of it, and now they are fully resistant to actually getting the TRUE religion which is the Saving Faith by Grace, in Repentance, Confession and Belief in Christ.

They were told by some Priest that if they get dunked and follow these Sacraments or Works then they are Saved forever since they did it in the Catholic Church, but that is all a lie. If someone isnt coming by way of a Broken Heart in need of Salvation believing on Christ by Grace thru Faith then they are not and will not be Born Again. I dont care what Sacraments of the Church they do, it all is garbage and brings absolutely no one to Salvation, nor are any of them needed for Salvation, which as we read above according to your Church they are...

The Bible did not come first. What came first was the living traditions of the people and lives of the early followers of Christ, passed down by oral tradition and put into the written word, by the early Fathers, who happened to be Catholic (the word "Catholic" "katholikismos" is Greek for "universal," and first used in 110 AD, around the time when the Bible was completed - there's no getting around this).

The people who wrote the Bible, they didnt practice the Religion you follow, I literally do not care in one bit about you and your Churches insistent on whitewashing History. I fully understand what catholic means, but we are not talking about the catholic little c church, we are talking about the Church you belong to the Catholic big C Church, which is NOT the Faith of any of the writers of the Bible.

Also when it comes to the Canon of the Bible, again the Religion you follow with a Big C, the people who helped to canonize the Bible, they didnt believe in your Religion regardless of it being called catholic with a little c. Like I stated I have read History I know the Truth and the BS that the Catholic Church tries to claim as tho it is the original church that the Disciple and Apostles and Early Church followed and believed in well that is what it is straight BS.

We Catholics do may not take our Bibles to church/Mass, but we don't have to. Every Catholic Church (well, 99.9%, I'm sure there are few poor parishes in the world) has a missal - a book containing prayers and songs/hymns - and in this are the readings for the day.

That mind set is disappointing, and is to me an indication of Brainwashing. What person who actually truly believes in Christ and wants to preach the Gospel would EVER say or EVER slightly hint that its find and dandy not to bring your Bible to Service? Like that mindset is exactly why what I said is correct, most Catholic literally have no idea what the Scriptures say or what the actual beliefs of the Church are, especially APART from the Church.

You know whats crazy, my Church over and over again specifically makes mention of how extremely important it is for us as believers to have our OWN Bibles, to read our OWN Bibles, and literally to have it at service so that we all can be diligent that what is being preached is Biblical. You want to know why it is not encouraged for Catholic to have and read their Bibles? Because the Church wants to have control over your view of the Scriptures, and the LAST thing they want is for you to be out there reading it independently without their lens, or you having it with you so that when they speak about it you will just take their word of it.

And that is exactly how the Catholic Church was set up for centuries, now you can say its not a conspiracy all you want, but the facts of History is that the Catholic Church made it ILLEGAL to own your own Bible, because they want to have exclusive authority over peoples lives. They literally murdered people for possessing a Bible in their homes. This is called History and Fact and today that same desire of the Catholic Church remains, they just cant stop people from reading their own Bibles, so they subtly discourage it and definitely dont encourage it, which is why you can agree with me that Catholic for the most part havent read their Bibles.

Dont you see the massive problem with that? How can a person come to know the Truth about the Word of God if they are not reading it themselves? How can they know whether or not the guy telling them they need to be Baptized into the Catholic Church for Salvation and take part in these Sacraments for Salvation is True and of God if they arent reading their Bible to see if that is what God actually said thur His Word? Like all the stuff about Mary, why does anyone believe that garbage? Because someone in a position of authority in your Cult told them they need to believe this or they will get kicked out and thus be cast into Hell. They definitely didnt come to believe any of that garbage by reading the Bible. People who read the Bible reject that nonsense and thus is the reason why the Catholic Church doesnt encourage you to read your Bibles...

A Catholic living in Glasgow, Scotland would hear the exact same readings as a person at Mass in Jakarta.

And that again shows me that God isnt really in the middle of these Masses. That Priest who is reciting what he was told didnt get anything from God himself, he is just reciting a prewritten sermon or reading that was approved by someone up the chain within the Catholic Church. If you knew real preaching you would understand exactly why I take issues with your statement. I want my preacher to get his sermon directly from God Himself, not something he found online or heard from another person. Go sit under real preaching and you will see the difference between Mass and Holy Spirit filled Preaching and Services...

Respectfully, if you don't like traditions or the Catholic Church, then you should not have: a Bible (Catholic), a cross (Catholic), a manger scene (Catholic), a Christmas Tree (Catholic), church on Sunday (Catholic), communion services (Catholic).

Yeah buddy like I said you may fool yourself with that thinking, you may fool others but you do not fool me. The Bible has nothing to do with the Big C Catholic Church, cross existed before the Big C Catholic Church was founded, Christmas Trees existed for thousands of years before the Big C Catholic Church existed, althought I do agree the Big C Catholic Church made sure to incorporate that Pagan Symbol into its Cult, the Bible written 250 years before the Big C Catholic Church existed records people gathering on Sunday to celebrate the Lord and the Communion Service was ordained by Jesus Christ Himself as record in the Bible written 250 years before the Big C Catholic Church existed.

I mean good try bud, but you are wrong on all accounts and deep down you know it. Also regardless of anything you stated, none of that would include me into the Big C Catholic Church and you know it, it is Doctrine and Beliefs which would distinguish between me being included or excluded from the Big C Catholic Church and guess what, since I explicitly reject all the tenets I list above as pertaining to Salvation, Mary ect (and many more I didnt list) that would 100% exclude me from your Cult, which of course you know it would...

The way we approach it is that through our Confirmation (note the root word "confirm"), done at the age of about 14 in the Roman Rite, we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

If you read the Bible for yourself without your Cults influence on your mind you would already see the problem with this sentence alone. This Religion exercise did and does nothing for anyone, ever. Unless you have had a Born Again Experience then you are Lost, would you be so kind as to give me the Testimony you have of your Born Again Experience?

But, because of our humanness, our sinfulness, we sever our ties so we pray that we will continue to be saved as an ongoing process, and we pray that at the hour of our death we are worthy to enter the kingdom.

Again if you read the Bible without your Cults influence you would understand that there is nothing you can possibly do to be worthy of entering the Kingdom. All of your Works are dung before the Lord, and none of them in anyway can help you get into Heaven. The second you start thinking that your Works are necessary to attain or keep Salvation, then you have fallen from Grace.

Salvation is a one time thing, and it is done by Faith thru Grace in Christs Completed Works and none of our own, the moment you are Born Again is the moment you are sealed forever. That is called Justification, and our Justification is only found in Christ.

The conforming into the image of Christ, the abstaining from Sins, doing works of Repentance ect, all of that is called Sanctification and it is wholly apart from Justification.

I hope you read the Bible without the Catholic Glasses on and come to find out the Truth brother...

I would consider myself a "born-again, Spirit-filled Catholic." I was Baptized in the Spirit in 1997, and made my life with Christ much fuller.

I would like to hear more about this, and the reason why is because you stated you were saved at 14 by way of the Rite of the Catholic Church. In the Word of God, when one is Saved, they are Born Again and given the Holy Spirit at that time, there isnt Salvation without the Holy Spirit, that is literally impossible to be Saved and NOT be Baptized in the Holy Spirit. So either you werent actually Saved at 14 by the Rites of the Catholic Church, or you werent actually Baptized in the Spirit. Either you were Saved at 14 and Baptized in the Spirit or you were Lost until you were Baptized in the Spirit and Born Again, or you have yet to actually have either happen and are conflating some other Religious experience...

Do you, Daciple, really know the Catholic faith, or do you based you understanding on what you've heard from people who don't know either?

That person who said that quote was preaching propaganda, I fully understand the Catholic Faith, I literally have quoted you the Actual Doctrine of the Catholic Faith. I venomously reject and hate those Doctrines because they are Anti Christ and go directly against what the Word of God actually teaches. So the question is, do YOU really know the Catholic Faith or are you going to be like almost ever Catholic I have ever met and say well I dont really believe or accept this or that Doctrine that actually makes up and defines the REAL Catholic Church...

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

What? It’s true...when you read the Bible there is nothing in it telling you to pray to Mary or worship her or love her because she is the mom of Jesus. But the NT is full of verses about the Father and Son and Holy Spirit and an example of Jesus praying to the Father. But nothing adding Mary into it and making her a goddess.

Lisa, I think the confusion comes over where the sin nature comes from. If it is passed on by the mother, then the mother of God must herself be holy and sinless. I can see how people might come to that conclusion if they didn’t realise that sin came through Adam.

This is why Jesus came as the “Second Adam”.

“David lamented this fact in one of his Psalms: “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me” (Psalm 51:5). This does not mean that his mother bore him illegitimately; rather, his mother had inherited a sin nature from her parents, and they from their parents, and so on. David inherited sin from his parents, just as we all do. Even if we live the best life possible, we are still sinners as a result of inherited sin.

Being born sinners results in the fact that we all sin. Notice the progression in Romans 5:12: sin entered the world through Adam, death follows sin, death comes to all people, all people sin because they inherit sin from Adam. Because “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23), we need a perfect, sinless sacrifice to wash away our sin, something we are powerless to do on our own.”

Source

As to Mary being a sinless, there is clear scriptural evidence to the contrary.

Luke 1

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour*.

*What sort of person needs a saviour?

 

[Infinityloop]

Jesus told us that there would be deceivers glad teachers and false prophets and to be on the alert to not be deceived.

And a quick glance goes to show that "deceivers glad teachers and false prophets" are to be found rampant both throughout the whole Protestant reformation from Luther himself down to the "Christians" of this forum.
Afterall, if the selling point is "anybody can interpret the Bible infallibly!" and "this random book is all you need!", how could you possibly go wrong?

 

[Lisa]

Sure but we're not Biblical, so no. Whether we're sinners or not, we're not in the Bible, which is problematic. If we're not in the Bible, then where are we?

Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.​

That’s everyone ever born...

In your view, hypothetically, if she was...would you worship her?

That’s not Biblical...

Exodus‬ ‭20:3‬ ‭
You shall have no other gods before Me.​

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[Infinityloop]

That’s not Biblical...

Exodus‬ ‭20:3‬ ‭
You shall have no other gods before Me.​

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The question was, IN YOUR VIEW IF IT WAS BIBLICAL, would you worship her as a goddess?
If not, why not?

The hypothetical situation could be an entire chapter in John or something where Jesus stands up on a beer keg and proclaims to the world that after he passes on, that his mother is to be worshiped as God. (although he never did that for himself, hmm..)

 

[Lisa]

And a quick glance goes to show that "deceivers glad teachers and false prophets" are to be found rampant both throughout the whole Protestant reformation from Luther himself down to the "Christians" of this forum.
Afterall, if the selling point is "anybody can interpret the Bible infallibly!" and "this random book is all you need!", how could you possibly go wrong?

So that should read false teachers..darn auto correct!

We are to be testing all that we hear with the Bible to make sure what we believe is the truth...it is the plumb line.

 

[Infinityloop]

We are to be testing all that we hear with the Bible to make sure what we believe is the truth...it is the plumb line.

Is this belief your presenting in this post, a Biblical one? does God ever tell you in the Bible explicitly that he's "testing that we hear with the Bible to make sure what we believe is the truth", or is this just a belief you've made up?

 

[Lisa]

What about Jesus? is he the exception? if not, why doesn't this highly-authoritative piece of holy writ mention Jesus in this verse?

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭​

For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.
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[Lisa]

The question was, IN YOUR VIEW IF IT WAS BIBLICAL, would you worship her as a goddess?
If not, why not?

The hypothetical situation could be an entire chapter in John or something where Jesus stands up on a beer keg and proclaims to the world that after he passes on, that his mother is to be worshiped as God. (although he never did that for himself, hmm..)

In my view it’s not Biblical so it’s a moot point don’t ya think?

Hebrews‬ ‭7:24-25‬ ‭
Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently. Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.​

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[Infinityloop]

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭​

For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.
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Which is another verse which contradicts the last (by apologetics standards). Either Jesus is one of humanity or he isn't, make up your mind

 

[Lisa]

Is this belief your presenting in this post, a Biblical one? does God ever tell you in the Bible explicitly that he's "testing that we hear with the Bible to make sure what we believe is the truth", or is this just a belief you've made up?

Acts 17:11
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.​

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‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:21‬ ‭​

But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:1-3‬ ‭​

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

 

[Daciple]

Since Genesis is myth, both Jewish and Christian lore understands that Eve slept / copulated with Satan (their union engendered Cain), slept with the God of Eden (their union engendered Abel) and slept with Adam (their reunification engendered Seth, the "seed of Adam"). Eve, the woman (woman refers to all of us, men included!) has thus three aspects:

That is in no way Christian belief, that is Anti Christian Gnostic beliefs.

Do me a favor since you continually are conflating Christian with your made up Religion/Gnosticism, go walk into your Local Christian Church down the street from you, record you walking up to the lay people, the Deacons, and the Pastors and make that statement. Let us see how many Christians accept what you say as being part of their belief system.

Do that to 100 Churches, record it for me, and we will see if that Doctrine is Christian or not...

Straight up blasphemy, but that is nothing new to you... Ps you are not a Christian..

 

[Lisa]

Which is another verse which contradicts the last (by apologetics standards). Either Jesus is one of humanity or he isn't, make up your mind

He is one of humanity, born from a human mother but did not sin because He is also God.

 

[Infinityloop]

In my view it’s not Biblical so it’s a moot point don’t ya think?

Hebrews‬ ‭7:24-25‬ ‭
Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently. Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.​

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Not at all, you're putting so much emphasis on what you deem "in the Bible" or "not in the Bible", that I want to know - if Jesus literal stood on a beer keg telling people that Mary is Goddess incarnate (in contrast to simple prayer intercession like you do at church) and anything else like that, would you believe it?

It's not a moot point at all, quite the contrary, you're placing all your emphasis on a book, so I want to hear what you would do.

 

[Infinityloop]

That is in no way Christian belief, that is Anti Christian Gnostic beliefs.

Do me a favor since you continually are conflating Christian with your made up Religion/Gnosticism, go walk into your Local Christian Church down the street from you, record you walking up to the lay people, the Deacons, and the Pastors and make that statement. Let us see how many Christians accept what you say as being part of their belief system.

Do that to 100 Churches, record it for me, and we will see if that Doctrine is Christian or not...

I'd like to see you walk up to any Catholic Church and convince them of sola scriptura and sola fide. (and no, not with emotional pleading)

Your argument is weak and antihistorical.

Straight up blasphemy, but that is nothing new to you... Ps you are not a Christian..

Lol, Protestants excommunicating other Christians, how ironic.

Ps, how Christian would that make you look going up to the Catholic church and calling it satanic There is a good reason you would not be taken seriously and it's not a validation of your paranoid claims either. "You, the church who gave me the Bible before I cut it down seven books in length, are satanic, and I, Daciple, am a TRUE CHRISTIAN. I am not a PAGAN IDOLATER".
I can just picture how comedic that scene would be

 

[Artful Revealer]

As to Mary being a sinless, there is clear scriptural evidence to the contrary.

Luke 1

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour*.

*What sort of person needs a saviour?

Luke 1
28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

The Greek word for "full of grace":

χαριτόω

to make graceful, endow with grace.

Cognate: 5487 xaritóō (from 5486 /xárisma, "grace," see there) – properly, highly-favored because receptive to God's grace. 5487 (xaritóō) is used twice in the NT (Lk 1:28 and Eph 1:6), both times of God extending Himself to freely bestow grace (favor).

Mary was praising the Lord as her saviour because she had already favoured God's grace. At least, this is the root of the Church's interpretation that Mary was void of sin and had to be void of sin in order to bear the Son of God.

 

[Lisa]

Not at all, you're putting so much emphasis on what you deem "in the Bible" or "not in the Bible", that I want to know - if Jesus literal stood on a beer keg telling people that Mary is Goddess incarnate (in contrast to simple prayer intercession like you do at church) and anything else like that, would you believe it?

It's not a moot point at all, quite the contrary, you're placing all your emphasis on a book, so I want to hear what you would do.

It’s not in the Bible and is not true so I don’t see the point of your question.

 

[Infinityloop]

It’s not in the Bible and is not true so I don’t see the point of your question.

Then what makes the Bible true?

 

[Lisa]

Lol, Protestants excommunicating other Christians, how ironic.

Matthew‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’​

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