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You are not stupid so why do fall for a bad Marshall Applewhite impersonator?
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Charlie at least gave you girls, what does faux Applewhite give you?
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Brilliantly explained:
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Dear @Toulouse,
Good day to you.
Just thought of one more thing to mention to you, since you previously spoke of one Tony Palmer, who admittedly to me is not well known, however, you might possibly also wish to have a look at some information about a different Tony (one Tony Farrell, former Principal Intelligence Analyst at South Yorkshire Police in England) but who is now a full-time student of JAH, and has his own website with a lot of information, some of which you may find of particular interest.
Tony Farrell came from a Catholic background, as you yourself, but he is now working full-time to among other things help promote JAH's King of kings Bible, which as can be seen in the following article, has in once such instance reached to yet another Tony, with the surname of Blair. Copy pasted below, please see this short excerpt as an intoduction, in case this might interest you in addition. -
Battle of the Bibles
Fourteen years ago, in a letter from JAH to the U.K. Prime Minister, JAH made an important request for assistance in helping to publish world-wide, the King of kings’ Bible, which was practically speaking, the only thing capable of bringing world peace among the nations. In response, Tony Blair made a calamitous blunder. He declined to help JAH, and the rest is history.
Blair’s Biggest Blunder – His Response to JAH – 2002
When recently I learned of this interesting occurrence from February 2002, I had very good reasons to do what I could to offer Tony Blair a second chance to redeem himself via his Faith Foundation Charity initiative, so to speak...
Complete article here: -
Thought to share this just in case of the odd chance, that perhaps, you might be surprised by Tony Farrell interests and his own now very keen interest in the King of kings' Bible, and it's promotion.
As far as my knowledge goes Tony has also given several talks on the subject and to a variety of audiences.
Peace be upon you,
bible student
Good day to you.
Just thought of one more thing to mention to you, since you previously spoke of one Tony Palmer, who admittedly to me is not well known, however, you might possibly also wish to have a look at some information about a different Tony (one Tony Farrell, former Principal Intelligence Analyst at South Yorkshire Police in England) but who is now a full-time student of JAH, and has his own website with a lot of information, some of which you may find of particular interest.
Tony Farrell came from a Catholic background, as you yourself, but he is now working full-time to among other things help promote JAH's King of kings Bible, which as can be seen in the following article, has in once such instance reached to yet another Tony, with the surname of Blair. Copy pasted below, please see this short excerpt as an intoduction, in case this might interest you in addition. -
Battle of the Bibles
Fourteen years ago, in a letter from JAH to the U.K. Prime Minister, JAH made an important request for assistance in helping to publish world-wide, the King of kings’ Bible, which was practically speaking, the only thing capable of bringing world peace among the nations. In response, Tony Blair made a calamitous blunder. He declined to help JAH, and the rest is history.
Blair’s Biggest Blunder – His Response to JAH – 2002
When recently I learned of this interesting occurrence from February 2002, I had very good reasons to do what I could to offer Tony Blair a second chance to redeem himself via his Faith Foundation Charity initiative, so to speak...
Complete article here: -
Thought to share this just in case of the odd chance, that perhaps, you might be surprised by Tony Farrell interests and his own now very keen interest in the King of kings' Bible, and it's promotion.
As far as my knowledge goes Tony has also given several talks on the subject and to a variety of audiences.
Peace be upon you,
bible student
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It's not right to just pick some sayings of Jesus and ignore the rest of His words. We will never get the full picture of His message when we cherry pick what we want to hear.
Luke 6 46Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ but not do what I say?
Jesus said that and so it's clear He expects us to do as He says. And James said something like faith without works is dead.
We must stop cherry picking bible verses and start to consult the whole Gospel of God... if we want to get the whole picture.
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Maybe I'm confused about your use of the word "gospel." The Gospels, of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John should be essentially the same in every Bible. Can you help me to understand what unbiblical traditions I am following so I can correct myself?
Hi elsbet. Thank you for the welcome. Forgive my slow response. Sunday was filled with church, relatives and today I was unwell.
So, is it stated verbatim? Not exactly. When the two extremes are used, then we run into trouble: using Scripture only (Sola Scriptura), and only using tradition. Somewhere in the middle is the truth. Undoubtedly, we need to be grounded in Scripture - it is the Word of God. The Catholic Church (RED FLAG!!! RED FLAG!!! BEWARE, WILL ROBINSON!!!) - there are more than just the Roman Church - more precisely, the Church Fathers had the ability to read between the lines with many passages in Scripture. This was especially true in the early Church with all of the heresies. Imagine what that must have been like!!!
The most logical place to start would be with the Trinity because it is an obvious example of unity in diversity. By "diversity" I do not mean a mamby-pamby "politically correct" use of the term - I am definitely not of the politically correct ilk. I don't think I need to break this down too much, but for the sake of the conversation...One God, Three Persons, all distinct in function, yet united to do God's Will.
Next, if we must look at the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6:9-10: "Our Father, Who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy Name, They Kingdom come, Thy Will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven." This has very strong implications that we are to live as they are in Heaven - united.
God wants it no other way. Then there is Ephesians 4:3 "Make every effort to keep unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. This is not going to happen if we tear each other down over who is or who isn't following the letter of the law - again, "on Earth as it is in Heaven." Ephesians 4: 11-13 "...until we all reach unity in the faith." John 17:23 "...that they may be brought to complete unity..." Psalm 133:1 "How good and pleasant it is when God's people live together in unity." 1 Peter 3:8 "...be like-minded..." 1 John 4:12 "No one has seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us." 1 Corinthians 1:10 "...but that you are perfectly united in mind and thought." Romans 12:16 "Live in harmony with one another..." In 1 Timothy 2: 3-4 we read "This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth." In 2 Peter 5: 8-10 we are warned about satan, who wants to "devour us...be steadfast knowing that fellow believers around the world undergo the same sufferings." Lastly, from Ephesians 1: 8-10 "...In all wisdom and insight, he has made known to us the mystery of his will in accord with his favor that he set forth in him, as a plan for the fullness of times, to sum up all things in Christ, in heaven and on earth."
And then, there are the prophesies about Israel and the Jews returning to their homeland and to Christ. We can get involved in this through the Toward Jerusalem Council II movement.
Again, it is not directly stated, but it should be evident that God wants us united before he comes back. These forums were described to me as a "spiritual battlefield." I can see people of other religious backgrounds disagreeing, but between us Christians, yes, we can disagree but not to the point of attacks and insults. This grieves the Holy Spirit.
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I admire, and respect, your earnestly contending for Jesus.
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If I'm not mistaken, James says "Faith without works is a dead faith." They are not mutually exclusive. For example, in a marriage, if a man tells his wife he loves her (our faith in Jesus stated) but he merely sits on the couch, watches tv, drinks beer and never demonstrates (works) his love for her, then he is just a lot of hot air.
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Lisa, I am sorry that you feel this way, but I respectfully submit that you are misguided on this. There is a difference between being united and having the same beliefs. Plus, for someone who lives from the Bible like you, you are being unbiblical, because it is filled with passages exhorting us to be united.
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Why, MoDc, do believe that the Bible wasn't given to us by the Catholic Church? I respectfully recommend a little digging on this my friend. Blessings.
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Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
RCC preaches another gospel, and therefore they are accursed. There are many doctrines within RCC that are against the Bible and even Anti Christ. They are the biggest Cult in existence, however what I come to find with most Catholics is that they are Catholics by Tradition and have little to no actual understanding of either the Bible and what it says, nor the actual teachings of the Catholic Church as laid out in their Creeds or even really understand their own Church History.
I will say that I believe there may be people in the Catholic Church that are saved, however I also believe that any saved persons in the Catholic Church will come out of it or at least admit they reject the Church but go because of Tradition and fear of upsetting people in their families. I have a hard time believing that people can be saved, have the Holy Spirit living in them and not come to know that the RCC is False.
Let me ask, were you Born and Raised Catholic or have you made a decision as an Adult to join that Church independently, as in not because other people in your family attend or because of marriage ect...
Also would you be willing to testify about your Born Again Experience?
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...a little knee-jerk with the picture of the baby being "tortured."
...yeah, you probably need to bring your Church history up to date, too...
Nothing wrong with the Gospels but is there something wrong with the pope(s) ?
Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."[1] Infallibility is, according to the New Catholic Encyclopedia, "more than a simple, de facto absence of error. It is a positive perfection, ruling out the possibility of error"
Infallibility is a prerogative of God so this dogma of the Catholic church has appointed the pope(s) as God.
The Paul VI Audience Hall (Italian: Aula Paolo VI) also known as the Hall of the Pontifical Audiences is a building in Rome named for Pope Paul VI with a seating capacity of 6,300, designed in reinforced concrete by the Italian architect Pier Luigi Nervi and completed in 1971.[1] It was constructed on land donated by the Knights of Columbus.[2]
So are the infallible pope(s) God or snakes ?
No need to answer as this is a rhetorical question since the answer is self evident.
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Daciple, you seemed to know a lot about the Roman Catholic Church (there are many more Catholic Rites, however, not just Roman). In light of this, would please explain with specific examples of how we preach a different gospel and also what is the basis of our being accursed, and Anti-Christ, in that order, if you don't mind? Thanks.
After this, would you mind explaining to everyone how/why the Catholic Church (we're not all Roman Rite) is a Cult? Thank you, again.
With all due respect to you, Daciple, as a human and fellow believer, I have trouble believing that you know "most Catholics" - sorry if I seem pedantic here. You are correct, however, in saying that we Catholics are so by tradition, but so are you, if are a believer. You see, we Catholics also live by what's in Scripture - perhaps even more so than non-Catholics. The Bible did not come first. What came first was the living traditions of the people and lives of the early followers of Christ, passed down by oral tradition and put into the written word, by the early Fathers, who happened to be Catholic (the word "Catholic" "katholikismos" is Greek for "universal," and first used in 110 AD, around the time when the Bible was completed - there's no getting around this). We Catholics do may not take our Bibles to church/Mass, but we don't have to. Every Catholic Church (well, 99.9%, I'm sure there are few poor parishes in the world) has a missal - a book containing prayers and songs/hymns - and in this are the readings for the day. On Sundays, we hear one Old Testament reading, a Psalm, a New Testament reading and the Gospel. A Catholic living in Glasgow, Scotland would hear the exact same readings as a person at Mass in Jakarta. Respectfully, if you don't like traditions or the Catholic Church, then you should not have: a Bible (Catholic), a cross (Catholic), a manger scene (Catholic), a Christmas Tree (Catholic), church on Sunday (Catholic), communion services (Catholic). If you do have any of the things, welcome to the (c)atholic Church, the Cult and the Accursed. You are most welcomed.
You are correct about something else, though. For a very long time, too long, Catholics have not had a great understanding of the teachings of the Church and Scripture. This was not some planned conspiracy to keep people in the dark, and this is changing, thank God. From the many parishes that I have been part of, and in the various cities in which I've lived, most have Bible studies. If there isn't one, then we go a non-Catholic church, or start our own. I've lead several.
Respectfully, I submit that I go to Church to worship Jesus/God. I can't speak for all Catholics, but those that I hang with, they are on fire for the Lord. We don't look at the notion of being "saved" as others do - for us, it's not that simple. The way we approach it is that through our Confirmation (note the root word "confirm"), done at the age of about 14 in the Roman Rite, we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. At that moment, we are saved. But, because of our humanness, our sinfulness, we sever our ties so we pray that we will continue to be saved as an ongoing process, and we pray that at the hour of our death we are worthy to enter the kingdom. Of course, God's Mercy is Infinite, but so is His Judgement. I would consider myself a "born-again, Spirit-filled Catholic." I was Baptized in the Spirit in 1997, and made my life with Christ much fuller. It has made me appreciate more the sacrifice of the Apostles, the early Fathers of the Church, the beauty and fullness of my faith tradition.
A parting thought, as I have to get ready to teach a class, a very famous Archbishop, Fulton Sheen, once said that "There aren't 100 people who understand the Catholic faith and hate it." Do you, Daciple, really know the Catholic faith, or do you based you understanding on what you've heard from people who don't know either? I will answer your other questions later. Blessings.
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If you are thinking that the pope is the vicar of Christ...that Mary is co-redemptrix, should be prayed to, or has anything more to do with Jesus than just giving birth to Him and raising Him...confessing to priests...everything having to do with the eucharist.
Thank you! That’s kind of you to say.
We should be united to those in the faith...however, we aren’t to be united with those who aren’t..if fact we actually can’t.
2 Corinthians 6:14-16
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols?
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols?
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Lisa: "Hi. Who are you and what have you done in your life?"
Mary: "Well, I did give birth to the Son of God."
Lisa: "Interesting. Anything else?"
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Even more accurate wold be:
Lisa: "Hi. Who are you and what have you done in your life?"
Mary: "Well, I did give birth to the Son of God."
Lisa: "Lol"
Mary: "....Your God"
Lisa: "Nah, not really"
Mary: "The God of Christianity..."
Lisa: "Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about"
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Tell me is she like the Mary the catholics worship? When you read about her in the Bible she is blessed because she agreed to what God wanted her to do...so she is a role model in that aspect...but she isn’t to be worshipped or thought more highly than anyone else. He doesn’t give her or His brothers priority...
Mark 3:31-35
Then His mother and His brothers arrived, and standing outside they sent word to Him and called Him. A crowd was sitting around Him, and they said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are outside looking for You.” Answering them, He said, “Who are My mother and My brothers?” Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He said, “Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother.“
Then His mother and His brothers arrived, and standing outside they sent word to Him and called Him. A crowd was sitting around Him, and they said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are outside looking for You.” Answering them, He said, “Who are My mother and My brothers?” Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He said, “Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother.“
The One who we should really be talking about and looking for is the Father not the mom. The Father is God and the mother is a sinful human like us. Jesus was always talking about His Father and not His mom. It’s the Father we should focus on and worship.
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Mary was also the Virgin. Do you know the Christian meaning of the Virgin?
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You misunderstand what I’ve been saying...its the Father we should think about and worship not the sinful yet obedient mom. If we are to look at her, we can see she agreed to what God wanted even though it cost her to do that. We can look at her as a role model that way...but she is just a human.
The One Jesus focuses on and we should too is God the Father! He is the One worthy of our praise.