On the Trinity:

[bible_student]

1 Corinthians 7:40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.

 

[bible_student]

1 Corinthians
8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but ONE.
8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
8:6 But to us [there is only] ONE God, the Father, of Whom [are] all things, and we of Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

 

[Artful Revealer]

The scribes (attorneys) and pharisees (politicians), who were also the priests of the organized religion of that time - Talmudic Judaism - were considered to be the religious "experts". They had all of the "credentials" in the system of man-made traditions that they themselves fabricated out of thin air, in direct violation of The Law (Deut. 4:2, 12:32) that they pretended to be keeping.

It's clear you're not in the business of answering questions, but I'll give it another shot regardless.

What are the man-made traditions that the Pharisees fabricated that were in violation of The Law?

 

[Robin]

Understood.

I think it was worship.

There is one place in Exodus:
7:1 And the "I AM" said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

Right but Moses didn't actually become God and no human referred to him as such. That would be blasphemy.

Robin, you are attempting to take one verse and privately interpret it the way YOU want it to be, while ignoring all of the rest of Scriptures with which the CORRECT interpretation of the verse MUST agree.

So it is you that are unnecessarily complicating something that is simple and straightforward, NOT me.

How would your interpretation work with this:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

Or this:

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Or this:

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the Will of the Father which hath sent me.

Note well: TWO SEPARATE WILLS - Christ's own will and Father's Will. You cannot have two separate wills without two separate minds (unless someone is trying to claim God is schizophrenic). You can however be OF like-mind; in other words two people can agree on what should be done.

Or this:

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?that is to say, MY God (1),MY God (2), why hast Thou forsaken me? (Eno. 89:20; Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13-54:1; Sura 4:157-8.)

Or this:

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] MY God (3), and your God.

Or this:

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of MY God (4), and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of MY God (5), and the name of the city of MY God (6), [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY God (7)*: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.

Or this:

1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] ONE God, and One mediator between God and men, the Man Jesus Christ;

You cannot be both a mediator between two parties, and one of the parties in mediation.

Hopefully you can see just from what's been shared how simple this really is, and why you are the one that is complicating it suggesting it doesn't agree with the rest of Scripture.

The head (Lord, God, King) of men, including Thomas, is Christ. And the head (Lord, God, King) of Christ is THE MOST HIGH GOD - Father, the "I AM".

I'm not looking to argue the trinity with you, I've seen all your arguments in this thread. We could go round and round trying to explore each of those verses but all I know is that God doesn't share worship. Yet ALL OF CREATION worships Jesus in heaven in the book of Revelation. We can try and understand divine character but at the end of the day it being incomprehensible to the human mind doesn't necessarily make it false. The way you think Trinitarians twist scripture to fit the doctrine is the same way people think you guys twist scripture to fit with Jah Truth's schtick about Jesus's reincarnation and British Israelism. So at this point we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[bible_student]

The Story of Ruth

1:35:00-1:37:00 @Robin

 

[JoChris]

Dear @bible_student

Have you noticed how many brackets [are used] to shift the [apparent] meaning of straightforward [well, used to be] passages, in order to [rather cleverly] deceive people who have never read a [real] Bible?

I think you are being [too] polite.
King of King's [comedy script] bible is [unable] to be taken seriously by all [un]thinking people.

 

[bible_student]

I think you are being [too] polite.
King of King's [comedy script] bible is [unable] to be taken seriously by all [un]thinking people.

TWH
5:7 Thus started the thousands of years old TRADITION, of laughing at God’s messengers
(Prophets), and thinking that they are insane, just because they are out of step with the evil majority.
5:8 Noah was the only really sane person, which is confirmed, by the FACT, that God saved him,
and destroyed ALL (every single one) of the criminally (God’s and not human law) insane, evil
majority.
5:9 The majority, here in Hell, is very often, in fact, almost always wrong. Don’t listen to the
majority, they are not responsible for YOUR soul — YOU are! (Sura 6:164).
5:10 If Noah had been “one of the boys”, and had listened to the evil majority, and had done like
they were doing; as they were trying to persuade him to do; he would have been destroyed too.
5:11 Be the ODD one out; do God’s Will and keep His COMMANDments, and SURVIVE like
Noah. Don’t let the majority drag you into “The Fire”, with THEM.
5:12 Noah followed God’s orders and built his ark (boat), whilst being ridiculed by all the evil
people, who were rushing, out of control, towards their own destruction. He continued to plead
with them, to take him seriously, but they just kept-on making fun of him.
5:13 God has ALWAYS warned people, before PUNISHING them, like any good dad, hoping that
the punishment will not be necessary, because it will hurt Him, more than it will hurt them (Hosea
6:5-6).
5:14 Noah continued to follow God’s orders, and loaded the ark with two of every animal (male and
female), and also with his own family.
5:15 People stopped laughing when the water kept-on rising, but by then it was TOO late. They
desperately climbed up trees and mountains, but they had already been warned, and now had to face
the consequences, and even the mountains were submerged.

 

[Robin]

The Story of Ruth

1:35:00-1:37:00 @Robin

May I please have the scriptural reference for this scene where he says that line?

 

[bible_student]

May I please have the scriptural reference for this scene where he says that line?

Hebrews 1:6 And again, when He bringeth in the first incarnated into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Goodnight.

 

[Robin]

Hebrews 1:6 And again, when He bringeth in the first incarnated into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Goodnight.

Odd that that has nothing to do with the story of Ruth.

And Jesus answered and said to him, “Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’” -Luke 4:8

Goodnight.

 

[JoChris]

TWH
5:7 Thus started the thousands of years old TRADITION, of laughing at God’s messengers
(Prophets), and thinking that they are insane, just because they are out of step with the evil majority.
5:8 Noah was the only really sane person, which is confirmed, by the FACT, that God saved him,
and destroyed ALL (every single one) of the criminally (God’s and not human law) insane, evil
majority.
5:9 The majority, here in Hell, is very often, in fact, almost always wrong. Don’t listen to the
majority, they are not responsible for YOUR soul — YOU are! (Sura 6:164).
5:10 If Noah had been “one of the boys”, and had listened to the evil majority, and had done like
they were doing; as they were trying to persuade him to do; he would have been destroyed too.
5:11 Be the ODD one out; do God’s Will and keep His COMMANDments, and SURVIVE like
Noah. Don’t let the majority drag you into “The Fire”, with THEM.
5:12 Noah followed God’s orders and built his ark (boat), whilst being ridiculed by all the evil
people, who were rushing, out of control, towards their own destruction. He continued to plead
with them, to take him seriously, but they just kept-on making fun of him.
5:13 God has ALWAYS warned people, before PUNISHING them, like any good dad, hoping that
the punishment will not be necessary, because it will hurt Him, more than it will hurt them (Hosea
6:5-6).
5:14 Noah continued to follow God’s orders, and loaded the ark with two of every animal (male and
female), and also with his own family.
5:15 People stopped laughing when the water kept-on rising, but by then it was TOO late. They
desperately climbed up trees and mountains, but they had already been warned, and now had to face
the consequences, and even the mountains were submerged.

Can't you see that anyone using Hill's method could make the bible say anything they wanted?
E.g. substituting female names for every male one e.g. apostles Paula, apostle Joan. Mother God, Holy Spiritia.

Where is the proof that all these different words added to the Bible and the Qur'an belong there?

 

[A Freeman]

I'm not looking to argue the trinity with you, I've seen all your arguments in this thread. We could go round and round trying to explore each of those verses but all I know is that God doesn't share worship. Yet ALL OF CREATION worships Jesus in heaven in the book of Revelation. We can try and understand divine character but at the end of the day it being incomprehensible to the human mind doesn't necessarily make it false. The way you think Trinitarians twist scripture to fit the doctrine is the same way people think you guys twist scripture to fit with Jah Truth's schtick about Jesus's reincarnation and British Israelism. So at this point we'll have to agree to disagree.

Thanks for your reply. They're not arguments to me. Facts are shared with others for our mutual benefit, just as they were with you, in answer to your question. If the readers are meant to see what's shared, Father will guide them. If they aren't meant to see it, then they won't.

The facts are very simple: There is no trinity. Reincarnation is an irrefutable fact. As is the truth about the British people being the true people Israel and the British Throne being the Davidic Throne of Israel. This isn't my opinion; each of these are supported by a literal mountain of evidence.

It will take an eternity to get to know Father's Eternal Mind. But the relationships between Father and Son are as simple and straightforward in heaven as they are here on Earth.

And for those who actually study The Law, which gives us a glimpse into Father's Amazing Mind, the reason why Prince Michael/Christ will be worshiped by the other angels is crystal clear: Prince Michael/Christ is the Firstborn Son of God. Father set Him before all others.

Father is NOT the author of confusion (1 Cor. 14:33); Satan is.

 

[Robin]

Thanks for your reply. They're not arguments to me. Facts are shared with others for our mutual benefit, just as they were with you, in answer to your question. If the readers are meant to see what's shared, Father will guide them. If they aren't meant to see it, then they won't.

The facts are very simple: There is no trinity. Reincarnation is an irrefutable fact. As is the truth about the British people being the true people Israel and the British Throne being the Davidic Throne of Israel. This isn't my opinion; each of these are supported by a literal mountain of evidence.

It will take an eternity to get to know Father's Eternal Mind. But the relationships between Father and Son are as simple and straightforward in heaven as they are here on Earth.

And for those who actually study The Law, which gives us a glimpse into Father's Amazing Mind, the reason why Prince Michael/Christ will be worshiped by the other angels is crystal clear: Prince Michael/Christ is the Firstborn Son of God. Father set Him before all others.

Father is NOT the author of confusion (1 Cor. 14:33); Satan is.

Linking to what ultimately amounts to opinion pieces is not fact, I'm sorry. Any proof people in this thread have given you for believing in the Trinity gets shut down because you interprate the same scriptures a different way. Likewise, others may reject your claims of reincarnation because they cannot find it in the bibles and yet you people are the only ones who are correct. Either way, people can decide for themselves. Everything will be revealed at the end anyway.

 

[bible_student]

Linking to what ultimately amounts to opinion pieces is not fact, I'm sorry. Any proof people in this thread have given you for believing in the Trinity gets shut down because you interprate the same scriptures a different way. Likewise, others may reject your claims of reincarnation because they cannot find it in the bibles and yet you people are the only ones who are correct. Either way, people can decide for themselves. Everything will be revealed at the end anyway.

This does not really require much further interpretation though, just recognition of what it actually is:

MK-BABYLON/Vatican (fear/trauma based mind-control; which is in large part what this website is about after all)
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/on-the-trinity.6477/page-22#post-249845


And it came out of this:

The Vatican - Mons Vaticanus
https://100777.com/node/1137


mons mount

Vaticanus

vatic

vat-ik adj. Prophetic : oracular

Source: Webster's II New Riverside Dictionary, Home and Office Edition,
published in 1995 by Longmeadow Press, Copyright 1988 by Houghton Mifflin
Company, ISBN 0-681-20227-0, page 458.


anus

a·nus n
the opening at the lower end of the alimentary canal through which
feces/faeces are released

Encarta® World English Dictionary © 1999 Microsoft Corporation. All rights
reserved. Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.


Vaticanus prophetic anus through which verbal diarrhoea/feces/faeces (IOW
lies) flows.

Hence known as The False Prophet and the Whore in Scripture.

http://jahtruth.net/darth.htm

 

[Artful Revealer]

I’m starting to wonder if you guys are trolling the internet.

 

[Robin]

This does not really require much further interpretation though, just recognition of what it actually is:

MK-BABYLON/Vatican (fear/trauma based mind-control; which is in large part what this website is about after all)
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/on-the-trinity.6477/page-22#post-249845


And it came out of this:

The Vatican - Mons Vaticanus
https://100777.com/node/1137


mons mount

Vaticanus

vatic

vat-ik adj. Prophetic : oracular

Source: Webster's II New Riverside Dictionary, Home and Office Edition,
published in 1995 by Longmeadow Press, Copyright 1988 by Houghton Mifflin
Company, ISBN 0-681-20227-0, page 458.


anus

a·nus n
the opening at the lower end of the alimentary canal through which
feces/faeces are released

Encarta® World English Dictionary © 1999 Microsoft Corporation. All rights
reserved. Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.


Vaticanus prophetic anus through which verbal diarrhoea/feces/faeces (IOW
lies) flows.

Hence known as The False Prophet and the Whore in Scripture.

http://jahtruth.net/darth.htm

Except that the trinity doctrine predates the birth of the Catholic church.

Consider reading The Seven Ecumenical Councils by Philip Schaff. Most just jump on the bandwagon without really looking at what actually happened at Nicea. Btw references to the Trinity did exist in proto-Christian theology in the period prior to Nicea.

Also, that is not how etymology works.

 

[A Freeman]

Linking to what ultimately amounts to opinion pieces is not fact, I'm sorry.

Please stop doing that Robin, it's dishonest on your part. Anyone who actually takes the time to read the articles will see that they are very well-documented, both with Scriptural references, legal references and real-world experiences, depending upon the subject being covered.

Any proof people in this thread have given you for believing in the Trinity gets shut down because you interprate the same scriptures a different way.

It's our Creator Who has COMMANDED us to have no other gods besides Him, and then provided HUNDREDS of verses to leave no reasonable doubt about Who He is. Only in a lunatic asylum could people redefine dozens of terms to mean something other than their normal, everyday use (e.g. "God", "The Most High", "One", "Father", "Son", "Born", "Firstborn", "equal to", "greater than" etc.) and then cry foul when someone points out what they're doing to deceive others.

Do you think "equal to" means the same thing as "greater than" means? Do you really think that someone can be the head of another and yet their equal at the same time? How can God have a God? How can God not be omnipotent, omniscient and omni-present at ALL times? How do you answer any of these substantive questions in your own mind, before passing judgment on others?

It's the Scriptures that shut down the nonsense, not me. Stop trying to make something personal and pretend it's just "opinion" when the proof is right there in front of everyone's eyes. This too is extremely dishonest of you, if you actually read and studied what's been shared.

Likewise, others may reject your claims of reincarnation because they cannot find it in the bibles and yet you people are the only ones who are correct.

You probably don't even realize you're doing it, but you're employing a logical fallacy (ad hominem) in an attempt to make your case instead of offering anything of substance on the topic being discussed. People who have an inherently weak position use such tactics to deflect attention from the lack of evidence to support their viewpoint. It too is a dishonest thing to do.

Either way, people can decide for themselves.

Agreed. So why are you employing such despicable tactics to try to persuade others to believe you instead of the evidence that's been presented? My goal is to encourage others to delve into the Scriptures for themselves, to see how we've been misled by our so-called leaders, which it likewise warns us about in Scripture.

What's your goal?

Everything will be revealed at the end anyway.

At which time it will be too late for anyone to do anything about it.

 

[Robin]

Please stop doing that Robin, it's dishonest on your part. Anyone who actually takes the time to read the articles will see that they are very well-documented, both with Scriptural references, legal references and real-world experiences, depending upon the subject being covered.



It's our Creator Who has COMMANDED us to have no other gods besides Him, and then provided HUNDREDS of verses to leave no reasonable doubt about Who He is. Only in a lunatic asylum could people redefine dozens of terms to mean something other than their normal, everyday use (e.g. "God", "The Most High", "One", "Father", "Son", "Born", "Firstborn", "equal to", "greater than" etc.) and then cry foul when someone points out what they're doing to deceive others.

Do you think "equal to" means the same thing as "greater than" means? Do you really think that someone can be the head of another and yet their equal at the same time? How can God have a God? How can God not be omnipotent, omniscient and omni-present at ALL times? How do you answer any of these substantive questions in your own mind, before passing judgment on others?

It's the Scriptures that shut down the nonsense, not me. Stop trying to make something personal and pretend it's just "opinion" when the proof is right there in front of everyone's eyes. This too is extremely dishonest of you, if you actually read and studied what's been shared.



You probably don't even realize you're doing it, but you're employing a logical fallacy (ad hominem) in an attempt to make your case instead of offering anything of substance on the topic being discussed. People who have an inherently weak position use such tactics to deflect attention from the lack of evidence to support their viewpoint. It too is a dishonest thing to do.


Agreed. So why are you employing such despicable tactics to try to persuade others to believe you instead of the evidence that's been presented? My goal is to encourage others to delve into the Scriptures for themselves, to see how we've been misled by our so-called leaders, which it likewise warns us about in Scripture.

What's your goal?



At which time it will be too late for anyone to do anything about it.

You guys love hypocrisy and using "scare" tactics. All people have to do is read your website and see for themselves. Anyone with common sense will come to the right conclusion -lies and twisting of both the Bible and Koran to patch together a man-made theology. That's all I have to say.

 

[bible_student]

Except that the trinity doctrine predates the birth of the Catholic church.

Consider reading The Seven Ecumenical Councils by Philip Schaff. Most just jump on the bandwagon without really looking at what actually happened at Nicea. Btw references to the Trinity did exist in proto-Christian theology in the period prior to Nicea.

Also, that is not how etymology works.

That is because it is pagan. It was incorporated into Roman Catholicism (Universalism - one world religion) as a political decision more than anything else, to be able to include the pagans and make it easier for them to be "converted" and brought under the RCC umbrella corporation.

http://donboys.cstnews.com/the-popes-church-is-the-largest-richest-corporation-in-the-world

 

[Artful Revealer]

That is because it is pagan. It was incorporated into Roman Catholicism (Universalism - one world religion) as a political decision more than anything else, to be able to include the pagans and make it easier for them to be "converted" and brought under the RCC umbrella corporation.

The only pagans that had trinitarian beliefs were Christians. It did not exist with other cults prior to Christian revelation.