Good day and good wishes Artful Revealer.
You're trying to argue that up is down, black is white and that right is wrong, etc., and it will
NEVER work. One would think that at some point you would take notice that you're arguing from a point of
ignorance, i.e. that you don't know what you're talking about.
That's why you have to employ logical fallacies and legalese to make your incoherent arguments, because they are,
in reality, completely
illogical.
Logical fallacies =
false logic, i.e. illogical arguments
Legalese = is the intentional obfuscation of word meanings by redefining them to suit someone's private doctrine/tradition or aims.
Hopefully you won't mind someone pointing out to you a few of the many instances of false logic (i.e.
illogical arguments) and legalese you employ, to help illustrate to you that the satanically-inspired and man-made trinity doctrine/tradition is untenable. This may seem blunt, and may turn out to be pointless (as there are none so blind as those who refuse to see), but it's being offered to you in a loving, direct manner nevertheless, so that you're not left in confusion.
This is in context of Protestants' hypocrisy towards Catholic nonscriptural doctrines when Protestants accept themselves doctrines that are nonscriptural.
You've
ignored the key information that was cited, which clearly admits: "there is
no such precise authority in the Gospels,” for the pagan, satanic trinity doctrine (the traditions of men).
False logic you employed:
cherry picking (while redefining the context to exclude the key point).
It should also be pointed out that the protestant adoption of the pagan, satanic trinity doctrine is further proof that they are indeed the harlot daughters of the Great Whore described in
Revelation 17: the RCC.
And the Trinity doctrine is a human inference from scripture, but therefore not necessarily in contradiction with scripture.
ALL human inference is adding to scripture something that wasn't there, and doing so is
ALWAYS in contradiction with Scripture (i.e. satanic).
Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not ADD unto the word which I command you,
neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the
Commandments of the "I AM" your God which I
COMMAND you.
Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it:
thou shalt not add thereto,
nor diminish from it.
So unless you redefine "not necessarily" to mean "always", your argument is completely
illogical.
No one knew the Father but the Son and those to whom the Son revealed Him. (Matt 11:27)
That means whoever is talking in Numbers 23:19, isn't Jesus' Father.
False logic you employed:
non sequitur (it doesn't follow, as it is a faulty comparison).
Matthew 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son (Elijah - the "Revealer of God") will reveal [Him].
The reason the scribes (lawyers) and pharisees (politicians), both of whom were also the priests of that time (i.e. the self-professed religious experts) could not "see" The Messiah/Christ
WITHIN the human body of Jesus is because they were
blinded by their own arrogance/ignorance. ("the blind leading the blind" -
Matt. 15:14). Father allows only the humble to "see" the Truth (
Psalm 111:10), which is why the religious leaders and their unwitting(?) victims/children could not see Father's Eldest/Firstborn Son within the human body of Jesus.
Similarly, no one can understand Father without the Teachings of the Son, Who knows Father better than anyone else. It should be self-evident from this statement that anyone who follows the teachings of the blind leaders of their organized religion instead of the teachings of Christ will
NEVER see Father as He really is: The Kind, Loving, Merciful, Patient and Long-Suffering Father of us all, Who always and only wants the very best for us.
Perhaps it isn't ironic then that you would
falsely and very foolishly claim that it isn't Father speaking in
HIS Law, i.e. in
HIS Commandments to us. Do you even realize that in claiming it isn't Father (Who is obviously the Father of Christ-Jesus - see the Lord's Prayer in
Matthew 6:9-13) speaking in
Numbers 23:19, that you are actually arguing that it was Satan (the liar) who made that statement?
No wonder you don't understand Who or What God is, as you seem to have everything upside down and backwards (
Isa. 5:20-21).
Jesus, the human, or even the risen Jesus, has a God. I'm sorry, but it feels like you don't understand Christology.
NO ONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THE MAN-MADE UP DOCTRINE OF "CHRISTOLOGY"! What everyone
NEEDS is to read the
TRUE Teachings of Christ, as they are found in the Gospel accounts of Him, without the filter of one of the "blind leading the blind".
ONLY Christ can show us the true nature of God, exactly as Christ stated in Matt. 11:27, which you previously quoted.
There is only
ONE Mediator
between God and men: Christ (
1 Tim. 2:5). Do you really not understand what the number "one" means please? Do you really not understand what a "mediator" is?
The
ONE True God
DOES NOT HAVE A GOD, or He wouldn't be God,
by definition. Do you really not understand what the term
"The Most High" means?
Likewise, do you really not understand what the term "cognitive dissonance" means please (
James 1:8)? You admit Jesus has a God while at the same time trying to argue that Jesus is God. Do you really not see that you are contradicting yourself?
The Trinity (when I say Trinity I don't mean the Nicene version of it, but the recognition that the Son, the Holy Spirit and the Father are God) is a metaphysical concept that pre-existed creation. Father-Holy Spirit-Son is not something that exists in creation. It is not something that we can perceive. It is a divine mystery. How do you know if this does or does not exist?
The reason we can know with absolute certainty that there is no trinity is because the Scriptures tell us so in no uncertain terms. You are claiming that the Son is not a created Being, which is provably
false. That is the entire basis for your argument, which is an erroneous assumption that is completely unscriptural.
Both Christ (the Spirit-Being, Who is Father's Eldest/Firstborn Son of
MANY Sons) and Jesus (the human son born of the virgin Mary)
WERE CREATED BY FATHER, Who
IS The Most High God.
Romans 8:28-29
8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [His] purpose.
8:29 For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of
His Son, that he might be
the FIRSTBORN among
MANY brethren.
Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 Giving thanks unto
the Father (
NOT some pagan, satanic trinity), Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the Kingdom of
His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the
image of the
invisible God,
the FIRSTBORN of every
creature: (and thus a
CREATED Being)
An
image = a likeness of the original, which is not the original itself
Invisible = something that is
NOT visible; Jesus was obviously visible, God, on the other hand, is
NOT visible (nor human).
Firstborn = the first to be born, i.e. the first to be brought into existence (
CREATED)
Born = brought into existence (
CREATED)
A creature = something created by its Creator (in this case a Son)
A
Son = the
created offspring of His Father
A
Father = the progenitor of the Son He made/created
Revelation 3:14
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness (Christ - Rev. 1:5), THE BEGINNING of the creation OF God*;
*Note well: that the First
BORN Son clearly did
NOT exist before He was
CREATED according to Scripture. The Firstborn Son was the beginning
OF the creation
OF God, as one would
logically expect from the definitions of Father and Son.
The
INVISIBLE God is
NOT "metaphysical"; God is a
SPIRIT (
John 4:24), as are all of His
CREATED Offspring (sons/children). And it is His (Father's) Holy Spirit that connects us to Him. Father's Holy Spirit is certainly not a third member of some divided, schizophrenic pagan deity.
So your entire argument is non sequitur, and has no basis in Scripture, which very clearly tells us that the Son (Christ) was
CREATED by Father (
THE Creator) as His Firstborn Son.
What we do know is what we can infer from scripture and reason.
Agreed. But you are not doing that, are you? Instead you are promoting the traditions of men (man-made doctrines) which have been
proven beyond any
reasonable doubt to have
no basis in Scripture.
Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them,
Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
The Son (which pre-existed creation) incarnated in a human who was born in creation, a human called Jesus. Therefore Jesus became the Son. The Son is God, therefore Jesus, as the Son incarnate, is God.
NONE of these assumptions have any basis in Scripture, which is why you have not provided any verses that state this made-up doctrine, isn't it? Where does it tell us that Christ, the Spirit-Being "pre-existed creation"?
NOWHERE. In fact it tells us the exact opposite: that Christ was the first created Being, and thus Father's Firstborn
SON.
Still, no logical or scriptural case against this has been presented.
Seriously? Is your "blindness" to what's already been presented willful/intentional or is it that you simply don't know what you're talking about? There have been HUNDREDS of Scriptural passages presented which utterly refute the pagan, satanic trinity doctrine.
False logic you employed: tu quoque (
falsely accusing someone else of doing what you are actually doing).
Yes, the human will and the divine will in one body. Welcome to the hypostatic union, Christianity 101.
More cognitive dissonance and legalese.
Two does
NOT mean One; One is singular, where two is
PLURAL. Two separate wills can be united if they are of One
PURPOSE (like-minded). But that doesn't make them the same individual anymore than any of us being one with God makes one of us God.
John 17:21-24
17:21
That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent me.
17:22
And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are One:
17:23
I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved me.
The only valid criticism I see in all these posts is against the co-equalness of the three persons. I've seen no scriptural evidence or rationality to claim the Son is not God. (Or the Holy Spirit for that matter)
Willful blindness perhaps? The Father is
GREATER than the Son because The Father
CREATED His Son and is
ALL-Powerful. There is absolutely
NOTHING that Father cannot do, and He accomplishes everything He says He will do.
Only through the use of
false logic, unscriptural and indefensible traditions of men (doctrines), and the complete
ignorance (intentional or otherwise) of what the terms "Father" and "Son" actually mean could anyone attempt to defend such a spiritually bankrupt concept as the so-called trinity.
The
BEST and
ONLY Way to get to know Father (The Most High) and His Firstborn Son (Christ) is to
DO as we have been
COMMANDED to do for our own benefit: keep The Law, as we promised to do. The closer we draw to God (through loving obedience), the closer He will draw to us (blessing us with spiritual vision).
Father is absolutely amazing. And so is His First
born Son, Whom Father Created and Anointed to be the Heir of all things (by making Him
FIRST). Believe
THEM instead of the insane/illogical/irrational traditions of the (spiritually) "blind leading the blind".
