Homeless epidemic

Lisa

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Well MOST LIKELY they knew they were going homeless and before they lost all their money they made the smart decision to buy a tent???
How did they know they were going to be homeless? They didn’t pay the rent or the mortgage? Family got tired of their drug habit or their alcoholism? So, they decided to buy a tent with their last monies and live for free on the street? Pan handling for money to keep their habits alive and for food? We should all live the life..eh?
 

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How did they know they were going to be homeless? They didn’t pay the rent or the mortgage? Family got tired of their drug habit or their alcoholism? So, they decided to buy a tent with their last monies and live for free on the street? Pan handling for money to keep their habits alive and for food? We should all live the life..eh?
You're assuming all homelessness are because of drugs and alcohol addiction. That is a fallacy.
 

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You're assuming all homelessness are because of drugs and alcohol addiction. That is a fallacy.
I’m not assuming that many are homeless because of drug and alcohol abuse...many are homeless because of drug and alcohol abuse.
 

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Is foreign investing so different from all the people we let live in this country from legal immigrants to illegal ones? There is already help in the form of welfare for people who can’t afford housing..section 8’s come to mind.

At least those properties become useful again instead of abandoned?
I am just going to try to enlighten you about section 8 a little bit...

Most places the wait list for section 8 is so long it is CLOSED. Meaning even if a person qualifies they can’t even fill out the papers and get placed on a list.

In places where it is OPEN, the wait time can be anywhere from 1year - 10 years before your spot comes up and funding becomes available. You then have to find an apartment which will accept it. Many won’t.

So yes, Lisa there is section 8. But there might as well not be for anyone falling on hard times in the recent past or present. Or near future.
 

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Dear Prudence,
I live in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the country, but on one of the more “modest” streets—mostly doctors and lawyers and family business owners. (A few blocks away are billionaires, families with famous last names, media moguls, etc.) I have noticed that on Halloween, what seems like 75 percent of the trick-or-treaters are clearly not from this neighborhood. Kids arrive in overflowing cars from less fortunate areas. I feel this is inappropriate. Halloween isn’t a social service or a charity in which I have to buy candy for less fortunate children. Obviously this makes me feel like a terrible person, because what’s the big deal about making less fortunate kids happy on a holiday? But it just bugs me, because we already pay more than enough taxes toward actual social services. Should Halloween be a neighborhood activity, or is it legitimately a free-for-all in which people hunt down the best candy grounds for their kids?

Dear 99,
In the urban neighborhood where I used to live, families who were not from the immediate area would come in fairly large groups to trick-or-treat on our streets, which were safe, well-lit, and full of people overstocked with candy. It was delightful to see the little mermaids, spider-men, ghosts, and the occasional axe murderer excitedly run up and down our front steps, having the time of their lives. So we’d spend an extra $20 to make sure we had enough candy for kids who weren’t as fortunate as ours. There you are, 99, on the impoverished side of Greenwich or Beverly Hills, with the other struggling lawyers, doctors, and business owners. Your whine makes me kind of wish that people from the actual poor side of town come this year not with scary costumes but with real pitchforks. Stop being callous and miserly and go to Costco, you cheapskate, and get enough candy to fill the bags of the kids who come one day a year to marvel at how the 1 percent live.
- Prudie



^^^ is that you Lisa??
 

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Let me rephrase that. Lost the ability for substantial and gainful employment. If I lost the ability to work my current field, I could probably get a minimum wage job and still be homeless. Would that make my tent acceptable?
How did you lose the ability to work in your current field? I don’t understand that comment.
 

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Dear Prudence,
I live in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the country, but on one of the more “modest” streets—mostly doctors and lawyers and family business owners. (A few blocks away are billionaires, families with famous last names, media moguls, etc.) I have noticed that on Halloween, what seems like 75 percent of the trick-or-treaters are clearly not from this neighborhood. Kids arrive in overflowing cars from less fortunate areas. I feel this is inappropriate. Halloween isn’t a social service or a charity in which I have to buy candy for less fortunate children. Obviously this makes me feel like a terrible person, because what’s the big deal about making less fortunate kids happy on a holiday? But it just bugs me, because we already pay more than enough taxes toward actual social services. Should Halloween be a neighborhood activity, or is it legitimately a free-for-all in which people hunt down the best candy grounds for their kids?

Dear 99,
In the urban neighborhood where I used to live, families who were not from the immediate area would come in fairly large groups to trick-or-treat on our streets, which were safe, well-lit, and full of people overstocked with candy. It was delightful to see the little mermaids, spider-men, ghosts, and the occasional axe murderer excitedly run up and down our front steps, having the time of their lives. So we’d spend an extra $20 to make sure we had enough candy for kids who weren’t as fortunate as ours. There you are, 99, on the impoverished side of Greenwich or Beverly Hills, with the other struggling lawyers, doctors, and business owners. Your whine makes me kind of wish that people from the actual poor side of town come this year not with scary costumes but with real pitchforks. Stop being callous and miserly and go to Costco, you cheapskate, and get enough candy to fill the bags of the kids who come one day a year to marvel at how the 1 percent live.
- Prudie



^^^ is that you Lisa??
We lived in an area that wasn't right for Halloween and went to another neighborhood for it. Everyone in that area knew people were coming from outside and not one cared. They enjoyed the festivity.
 

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How did you lose the ability to work in your current field? I don’t understand that comment.
Ok... I was diagnosed with MS. I couldn’t do child abuse investigations anymore because the stress was so incredibly high I was in the hospital with a massive relapse every 12-18 months. I took a significant pay cut in a lower stress job. I’ve struggled financially ever since. But I haven’t been sick ONCE.

If you seriously can’t think of anything yourself here Lisa you lack imagination.
 

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We lived in an area that wasn't right for Halloween and went to another neighborhood for it. Everyone in that area knew people were coming from outside and not one cared. They enjoyed the festivity.
I love seeing all the kids all dressed up. I do not give a single fuck what neighborhood they live in. I can imagine someone here might though...
 

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Ok... I was diagnosed with MS. I couldn’t do child abuse investigations anymore because the stress was so incredibly high I was in the hospital with a massive relapse every 12-18 months. I took a significant pay cut in a lower stress job. I’ve struggled financially ever since. But I haven’t been sick ONCE.

If you seriously can’t think of anything yourself here Lisa you lack imagination.
I was wondering what Lurker meant. I know about your ms thing and I’m glad your better.
 

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I love seeing all the kids all dressed up. I do not give a single fuck what neighborhood they live in. I can imagine someone here might though...
Lol if you’re talking about me I don’t celebrate halloween..
 

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DeBlasio is 'exporting' his homeless all across the country.... rather than doing the work of trying to develop a real solution...
...breakdown of society... being spread all over the country?
...by a "Mayor" in name only, who is obviously pursuing his own, or another, agenda...?

https://nypost.com/2019/10/26/nyc-homeless-initiative-sends-people-across-us-without-telling-receiving-cities/
NYC secretly exports homeless to Hawaii and other states without telling receiving pols (I suppose that's New York Post shorthand for 'Politicians'...)
Sara Dorn
October 26, 2019


Families who once lived in NYC shelters were sent to 32 states and Puerto Rico

New York City generously shares its homeless crisis with every corner of America.

From the tropical shores of Honolulu and Puerto Rico, to the badlands of Utah and backwaters of Louisiana, the Big Apple has sent local homeless families to 373 cities across the country with a full year of rent in their pockets as part of Mayor Bill de Blasio’s “Special One-Time Assistance Program.” Usually, the receiving city knows nothing about it.

City taxpayers have spent $89 million on rent alone since the program’s August 2017 inception to export 5,074 homeless families — 12,482 individuals — to places as close as Newark and as far as the South Pacific, according to Department of Homeless Services data obtained by The Post. Families who once lived in city shelters decamped to 32 states and Puerto Rico.

The city also paid travel expenses, through a separate taxpayer-funded program called Project Reconnect, but would not divulge how much it spent. A Friday flight to Honolulu for four people would cost about $1,400. A bus ticket to Salt Lake City, Utah, for the same family would cost $800.

Add to the tab the cost of furnishings, which the city also did not disclose. One SOTA recipient said she received $1,000 for them.

DHS defends the stratospheric costs, saying it actually saves the city on shelter funding — which amounts to about $41,000 annually per family, as compared to the average yearly rent of $17,563 to house families elsewhere.

But critics say the “stop-gap solution” has been fraught with problems, and ultimately has failed to help curb the city’s homelessness.

Not only are officials in towns where the city’s homeless land up in arms, but hundreds of the homeless families are returning to the five boroughs — and some are even suing NYC over being abandoned in barely livable conditions. Multiple outside agencies and organizations have opened investigations into SOTA.

“We were initially seeing a lot of complaints about conditions. Now that the program has been in operation long enough that the SOTA subsidy is expiring, one of our main concerns is it might not be realistic for people to be entirely self-sufficient after that first year,” said Jacquelyn Simone, policy analyst at Coalition for the Homeless.

DHS said 224 SOTA families have ended up back in New York City shelters. The agency did not answer The Post’s repeated requests for the number of families who wind up in out-of-town shelters.

“We suggested that DHS reach out to people as their subsidy runs out to confirm they will be secure and not have to re-enter shelter, but the agency told us they have no plans to do that,” said Legal Aid lawyer Joshua Goldfein, whose firm represents SOTA families who say the city pressured them to move into New Jersey slums, then ignored calls for help.

<<<much more at link... including interactive map... of where our new neighbors are moving into>>>

https://nypost.com/2019/10/26/nyc-homeless-initiative-sends-people-across-us-without-telling-receiving-cities/
 

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Lisa

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DeBlasio is 'exporting' his homeless all across the country.... rather than doing the work of trying to develop a real solution...
...breakdown of society... being spread all over the country?
...by a "Mayor" in name only, who is obviously pursuing his own, or another, agenda...?
What real solution can he come up with? There’s only one compassionate solution available and that’s to give them tents, drugs and food...everything else is heartless and cruel.
 

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I was pointing out the difference between being able to work and being able to work substantially and gainfully.
But how did you lose the ability to work in your current field?
 
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