Frank Badfinger
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David Gilmore's song "Rattle that Lock" is about the fall of Lucifer from heaven to earth. The lyrics and video are very revealing.
Your interpretation makes no sense. The song Breathe is anti-capitalist, it's about how we're working ourselves to death in a way:The very first words they say is “breathe in the air. Don’t be afraid to care..“ They use euphemisms such tiger flying in the sunshine n run rabbit run dig that hole.
Such as what?The Division Bell and many other songs lyrics are telling.
Whilst the album DSOTM is a commentary on death and capitalism, the theme of politics and media is present there. The phrase "you raise the blade, you make the change" is a direct reference to television, as is "there's someone in my head but it's not me".The lunatic is in my head
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
Orwell's "Animal Farm" is what that album is loosely based off. All of the themes are derived from it. Again, lyrics by Roger Waters, who happens to be an atheist, so him having sarcastic views towards Christianity (of which he does have) wouldn't surprise me.Pink Floyd in ‘Sheep’
"The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want . . . With bright knives, he releaseth my soul/ He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places . . . For lo, he hath great power and great hunger."
Pink Floyd in "Sheep"
"The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want . . . With bright knives he RELEASETH MY SOUL/ He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places . . . For lo, he hath great power and GREAT HUNGER."
What about Christian musicians?If you delete all the music associated with the occult, you'll wind up listening to Huey Lewis, Amy Grant, and Barry Manilow. And maybe not even them. Just assume that every musician you've ever liked was into witchcraft, sold their soul to Satan, etc. And then enjoy the music anyway, because despite themselves, no matter how evil they may be, they're teaching you how to not be evil. It's very hard to make music that doesn't embody God, no matter how hard one tries to be sacrilegious. I still love Led Zeppelin, even though I know Page is a piece of shit Crowley disciple. I am powerful and free enough to resist whatever vibes a satanic musician attempts to impart. I used to not be, as a teenager, the vibes depressed me and made me anxious, even as they made me feel cool, so I think keeping this music away from youth may be an excellent idea. It disgusts me how the music industry is basically grooming a generation of tweens with depraved Billie Eilish videos. But if you're an adult with a mind of your own? Don't be afraid. Let the evil little narcissists unwittingly provide the soundtrack for your righteous life. Next time I do karaoke I'll sing Honky Cat by Elton John, even though I know Elton and Bernie were both, uh, "fascinated" with Satan. When I sing it, I'll be reinterpreting the lyrics in my head to conform to my worldview, not theirs. Fuck them.
Same thing, and vice versa. I would prefer to have neither influencing me.I'd suspect they're satanic plants to discredit Christianity
Seriously? Pretty much every thing this guy said back in the 70's in now coming out today. I mean, this IS the VC website!Todd in particular can't be trusted, and I think is even dangerous.
Story based on articles from - Christianity Today...founded by Billy "Mason" Graham.John todd was exposed by Christians..http://www.icyte.com/system/snapshots/fs1/0/0/5/4/00543e12a9048eb881dbc3186b47c4b694ac5967/index.html
Thats fooling yourself though. The music affects you subconsciously like with everything else they do as long as you listen to it. You cant have it two ways, can't serve Satan with one hand and God with the other. Did you know that it's built in their music that christians draw a curse upon themselves when playing it since they do it volunteeringly? Theres no arguing that, thats why they have certain beats.If you delete all the music associated with the occult, you'll wind up listening to Huey Lewis, Amy Grant, and Barry Manilow. And maybe not even them. Just assume that every musician you've ever liked was into witchcraft, sold their soul to Satan, etc. And then enjoy the music anyway, because despite themselves, no matter how evil they may be, they're teaching you how to not be evil. It's very hard to make music that doesn't embody God, no matter how hard one tries to be sacrilegious. I still love Led Zeppelin, even though I know Page is a piece of shit Crowley disciple. I am powerful and free enough to resist whatever vibes a satanic musician attempts to impart. I used to not be, as a teenager, the vibes depressed me and made me anxious, even as they made me feel cool, so I think keeping this music away from youth may be an excellent idea. It disgusts me how the music industry is basically grooming a generation of tweens with depraved Billie Eilish videos. But if you're an adult with a mind of your own? Don't be afraid. Let the evil little narcissists unwittingly provide the soundtrack for your righteous life. Next time I do karaoke I'll sing Honky Cat by Elton John, even though I know Elton and Bernie were both, uh, "fascinated" with Satan. When I sing it, I'll be reinterpreting the lyrics in my head to conform to my worldview, not theirs. Fuck them.
Such as what? if music is 'against the system', what role would it be serving then?Yeah, it affects you subconsciously if you're not paying attention, if you're not listening defensively while taking pleasure.
I don't think you get the point of the book of Job. The book was written to convey the idea that you are transgressing against God if you cannot attribute evil to God as equally as good. As to say that God is not either. Job's wrong was that he only attributed the good to God, this is why his life was torn asunder. In the very last chapter, Job is weeping and gives into God and admits where he went wrong.I say supposedly because any God that tortures Job, murders his family, and then evades Job's perfectly good question of "Why?" by pulling rank with "Do you know who I am?" posturing because he couldn't possibly tell Job the truth which is that it was all to win a bet with Satan...well, that God must be a malevolent phony.
As my last sentence says: "I am not saying I agree with the writers of these books either, they are flawed. But this is what they teach."So you're saying...
Well look at the 'actions' of YHWH in the Old Testament. I didn't write those books.Sorry, but no God I'm ever going to believe in is THAT evil, evil enough to torture a man and kill his children to win a bet with The Adversary
I don't think either of you get the point of Job... jsSuch as what? if music is 'against the system', what role would it be serving then?
If it's pro-system, then sure. But the very nature of rock music is usually against the system even though it participates in it's luxuries (sold out concerts)
I don't think you get the point of the book of Job. The book was written to convey the idea that you are transgressing against God if you cannot attribute evil to God as equally as good. As to say that God is not either. Job's wrong was that he only attributed the good to God, this is why his life was torn asunder. In the very last chapter, Job is weeping and gives into God and admits where he went wrong.
Satan isn't a thing, it's a title used to refer to several things. Only later in Paul's letters (which is late 1st century) do you start to see a deification of Satan into some kind of "opposite-god".
As a consequence of this; Christianity, just like various forms of Gnosticism that emerged at the same time, is fundamentally duotheism, not monotheism. This in itself comes out of influence from heretical sects of Zoroastrianism which held an evil force that is powerful in opposition to the creator, good force.
I am not saying I agree with the writers of these books either, they are flawed. But this is what they teach.
dittoI don't think either of you get the point of Job... js
Ok, but find me examples here of music saying that government and dictatorships are good? it's definitely not a common sentiment among rock musicThree possibilities I see, although I'm sure there are more.
1 - It's pro-system and the music is designed to demoralize you into political uselessness and/or stimulate your libido to make you shop more.
Possibly, there could be more of a logical reason here - following your train-of-thought. Pacifying us from rebellion by drilling rebellion into our heads? maybe.2 - It's anti-system and the music is designed to make you depressed and despise traditional American values in order to soften you up for a conversion to communism and/or stimulate your libido to encourage rebelliousness in general.
The problem is that this statement and these beliefs are not provable, nor are they objective, they are subjective beliefs. I can't say a lot else there.3 - It's pro-satanism and the music is designed to depress you, turn you off from wholesome things, normalize satanic themes, ideas, habits, rituals and/or stimulate your libido to overthrow all inhibitions. Note that music which could be categorized as 1 and 2 could also serve the interests of 3. It's all the same music, some of it is just emphasized differently.
You cant reason like that, God being more powerful. Then you could say "God is more powerful so it doesnt matter if I'm with some witches sacrificing this kid" Thats unintelligent and illogic and only because you dont wanna leave Satans music bc it has you in its grip. It STILL affects you although you have God in your life or not, do you think he would prefer you listening to his enemies music because it sounds good to you?Yeah, it affects you subconsciously if you're not paying attention, if you're not listening defensively while taking pleasure. (Kind of like going for a joyride in a car but still driving defensively.) Besides, do you not believe in a God more powerful than whatever mindfuck satanic musicians want to inflict? And while you can't serve the two masters at the same time (leave that shit to the Process Church psychos) you can definitely still LISTEN to Satan. You have to admit, Satan is capable of making astonishingly beautiful art, and he's capable of teaching us a lot about this fallen world, as a counter-example, despite himself and his evil purposes. Milton is mostly right in Areopagitica, we actually have a duty as good people to familiarize ourselves with the ugliest knowledge. (Hence, the existence of VC and this forum.) And you realize that God himself supposedly listened to Satan, too? I say supposedly because any God that tortures Job, murders his family, and then evades Job's perfectly good question of "Why?" by pulling rank with "Do you know who I am?" posturing because he couldn't possibly tell Job the truth which is that it was all to win a bet with Satan...well, that God must be a malevolent phony.
I would say, like Yoda says, "when you're calm, and at peace, you will know"These last weeks I've been depurating my digital music library. I deleted big folders with many gigabytes of music, some of them, entire discographies from artists and bands that I once loved (David Bowie, one of the most notable ones).
So, basically I want to get rid of artists that have links with the occult, and I wonder if Pink Floyd has any clear indications of it in their music. I know the Dark Side of the Moon and the Wizard of Oz synchrony. But is there more?
While we are at there... are there other classic rock bands that seem harmless but aren't?