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The translators of the KJV evidently went for card one: evil. Even if the Hebrew word means and includes all three words, so be it. In English, "God creates ... evil."
The translators of the KJV evidently went for card one: evil. Even if the Hebrew word means and includes all three words, so be it. In English, "God creates ... evil."
or adversity / calamity ;-)The translators of the KJV evidently went for card one: evil. Even if the Hebrew word means and includes all three words, so be it. In English, "God creates ... evil."
The NASB is the closest literal translation...the kjv is mired in archaic language which we cannot really understand today, which is why I don’t like it.It's sort of like a card game: pick a card, any card. The competent, multi-lingual translators of the KJV clearly thought 'evil' a better, more accurate word than your preferred 'calamity.' In any case, as I see it, it's not your Bible which opted for 'calamity,' but rather your preferred translators of the Bible.
Just wondering - would you reject the NKJV on the same grounds?The NASB is the closest literal translation...the kjv is mired in archaic language which we cannot really understand today, which is why I don’t like it.
The word 'evil' is not archaic, and Red already linked to the Hebrew word, which includes 'evil' among the literal, that's right, literal options. Choose whichever translation best suits your purposes, but Prophet Isaiah clearly said that God makes peace and creates evil, at least as it is sometimes translated into English, and that by the best linguists King James could afford to employ for his monumental project -his gift to English-speaking Protestants.The NASB is the closest literal translation...the kjv is mired in archaic language which we cannot really understand today, which is why I don’t like it.
I think any Christian would tell you the same thing..God is not evil nor does He direct evil.
Psalms 5:4
For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; No evil dwells with You.
But I can’t say the same for the ruler of this world..
1 John 5:19
We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
Not meaning to quibble, but I don't read it as 'or,' I read it as 'and.' Then again, it's the Bible, and I admit that I don't read it often .or adversity / calamity ;-)
Just like English, Hebrew and Greek contain nuances and alternate meanings. It is good to look at the ways the same words are used elsewhere, particularly by the same writers. As the meaning of words are sometimes subtle and require learning and context to draw out the right ones, the task of the translator is a challenging one!*Not meaning to quibble, but I don't read it as 'or,' I read it as 'and.' Then again, it's the Bible, and I admit that I don't read it often .
As an aside, If God didn't create evil, who did? Is there now thought to be a co-creator?Just like English, Hebrew and Greek contain nuances and alternate meanings. It is good to look at the ways the same words are used elsewhere, particularly by the same writers. As the meaning of words are sometimes subtle and require learning and context to draw out the right ones, the task of the translator is a challenging one!*
*Made worse if they give undue credence to the critical text beloved of Westcott & Hort (but that’s another thread ;-)
God is not evil so I don’t think we can say that He does evil as well, but calamity is a different thing, I can see people thinking calamity is evil though.The word 'evil' is not archaic, and Red already linked to the Hebrew word, which includes 'evil' among the literal, that's right, literal options. Choose whichever translation best suits your purposes, but Prophet Isaiah clearly said that God makes peace and creates evil, at least as it is sometimes translated into English, and that by the best linguists King James could afford to employ for his monumental project -his gift to English-speaking Protestants.
This is not to say, however, that God is subject to anything He creates. To me, that is a separate, side topic.
The best response I have seen on the subject, from the young Einstein:-As an aside, If God didn't create evil, who did? Is there now thought to be a co-creator?
Ya know the tree that God told Adam not to eat of? That was called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil..also satan is evil.As an aside, If God didn't create evil, who did? Is there now thought to be a co-creator?
My question is not who is evil, but who created good and evil? Are there two gods: one good, the other evil? As @AspiringSoul rightly said above, this idea of two opposed and opposing gods is Manichean dualism, an idea the Church, as a corporate body, rejected long ago.Ya know the tree that God told Adam not to eat of? That was called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil..also satan is evil.
Leaving the Isaiah verse for a second (I will get to it), I remember teaching some kids about energy at high school (years before I had watched the Einstein clip). Brainstorming the different kinds of energy, one young man put his hand up high and said “cold energy, sir, like in fridges?”.My question is not who is evil, but who created good and evil? Are there two gods: one good, the other evil? As @AspiringSoul rightly said above, this idea of two opposed and opposing gods is Manichean dualism, an idea the Church, as a corporate body, rejected long ago.
Hi Serve, I wanted to take some time to pray about and think about the answer to your question.My question is not who is evil, but who created good and evil? Are there two gods: one good, the other evil? As @AspiringSoul rightly said above, this idea of two opposed and opposing gods is Manichean dualism, an idea the Church, as a corporate body, rejected long ago.
Actually, the answer does satisfy me, but it doesn't explain how evil and rebellion first entered Heaven .When I read the question I thought, when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, evil entered the world. But I knew that answer would not satisfy you.
Satan wanted to be like God...and be God. Basically he encouraged Adam and Eve into doing what he did.Actually, the answer does satisfy me, but it doesn't explain how evil and rebellion first entered Heaven .
Thank you not only for the remainder of your post, but also for the compassion, on your part, that I sensed while reading. No more questions, at this point, your honor.
I am not surprised that you cannot tell good from evil.U're original question was if blood sacrifice is divine or satanik? There's no difference between the two
??God didn’t create evil.
why would God subject us to that in the first place?
God created evil and made us capable of evil.
Telling people to not blame God ie 'God didnt create evil' is just a convenient mythos
To what end though? While you gave a reason somewhere down in your posts (it spurs us on to be better people), no offense but I don’t think that’s a good enough reason for God to “create” evil neither is it sufficient justification for its existence as necessary. I will concede that He does take responsibility for what He allows to happen (opening chapters of Job)1) By the very existence of evil...and God as the Creator of all things...God created evil, that is simple logic. if the bible states God did not create evil, then i question the mythos behind that statement, as in, it's intent and who it was intended to and what it's point actually was.
"Evil is simultaneously rational and irrational. Because evil is irrational, in its rebellion against the order that reason imposes, it seeks to be irrational and chaotic to fight reason. But implicit in this drive to be irrational is a kind of logic – a logoi of evil, which is therefore still rational. Van Til called this becoming epistemically self-conscious – evil seeks to become consistent with itself, in its inconsistency. Evil cannot be consistent with its attack on reason – to do so is a manifestation of still being rational."~ Jay DyerActually, the answer does satisfy me, but it doesn't explain how evil and rebellion first entered Heaven .
God is shown as the creator of all concepts, which he created for his pleasure.The word 'evil' is not archaic, and Red already linked to the Hebrew word, which includes 'evil' among the literal, that's right, literal options. Choose whichever translation best suits your purposes, but Prophet Isaiah clearly said that God makes peace and creates evil, at least as it is sometimes translated into English, and that by the best linguists King James could afford to employ for his monumental project -his gift to English-speaking Protestants.
This is not to say, however, that God is subject to anything He creates. To me, that is a separate, side topic.