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Lisa

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Yet another thread...I think your next thread title should be...those darn Christians won’t tell me I’m right.
 
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Yet another thread...I think your next thread title should be...those darn Christians won’t tell me I’m right.
Right about what?

I'm not claiming to be right about anything, you are. You're choosing to be offended by a thread that looks at Protestant doctrine and critiques it. Maybe this thread isn't for you. I wish you peace of heart, mind, soul, body and spirit.
 

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Sunny D was very popular in the 1990s. It did “contain” real orange juice, but also lots of extra things that made children climb the walls. A generation of kids grew up on it, till they tasted real orange juice...

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Right about what?

I'm not claiming to be right about anything, you are. You're choosing to be offended by a thread that looks at Protestant doctrine and critiques it. Maybe this thread isn't for you. I wish you peace of heart, mind, soul, body and spirit.
Offended? I think it’s ridiculous to keep starting threads about the same subject hoping to get a different result that’s all. What you want is for people to agree with you.
 
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What you want is for people to agree with you.
Not at all. I want to discuss theology and beliefs that are popular on this forum, why am I not allowed to do this?

What I keep sensing here in big numbers is a high level of Religious illiteracy, which is very troubling. I wish that things were not like this. To get responses such as these to the topic of theology, religious history, scriptural context, religious denominations and so forth, is not right.
If only you had some self-awareness when you bash other religions, again, you Christians need to humble yourselves and grow some faith.
 

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Not at all. I want to discuss theology and beliefs that are popular on this forum, why am I not allowed to do this?

What I keep sensing here in big numbers is a high level of Religious illiteracy, which is very troubling. I wish that things were not like this. To get responses such as these to the topic of theology, religious history, scriptural context, religious denominations and so forth, is not right.
If only you had some self-awareness when you bash other religions, again, you Christians need to humble yourselves and grow some faith.
You can say whatever you like here, but as a Christian I am gonna tell you when you’re wrong about my beliefs, that’s the way a forum works. Just because you post it doesn’t make it true.

What you keep running into is Christians who know what we are talking about so you can’t get any traction on your smear campaign.

What faith you’d like us to grow is the one that agrees with you. If you weren’t wrong about what you post we maybe could but you are wrong about Christianity.
 
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Just because you post it doesn’t make it true.
This is how beliefs work, this is why we require some level of logical and rational argument to determine and justify the beliefs we hold as either sacred and objective. This is exactly why I make threads like this and the 'christianity and anti-intellectualism' thread.

What you keep running into is Christians who know what we are talking about
You 'know what we are talking about' but reject the possibility of discussing it and providing reason, in order to validate your beliefs?

so you can’t get any traction on your smear campaign.
What smear campaign? I didn't make this thread: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/recognising-the-“spirit-of-antichrist”-and-learning-from-the-experience.6504/

What faith you’d like us to grow is the one that agrees with you.
You describe yourself and it is very saddening to see such arrogance from you.
 

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This is how beliefs work, this is why we require some level of logical and rational argument to determine and justify the beliefs we hold as either sacred and objective. This is exactly why I make threads like this and the 'christianity and anti-intellectualism' thread.



You 'know what we are talking about' but reject the possibility of discussing it to validate your beliefs?



What smear campaign? I didn't make this thread: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/recognising-the-“spirit-of-antichrist”-and-learning-from-the-experience.6504/



You describe yourself and it is very saddening to see such arrogance from you.
You don’t believe Christianity which is why you make the threads and why I call it a smear campaign. However there are many Christians here, we’ve all talked to you to try to set you straight but you keep posting the wrong stuff saying it’s true. Why can’t you say you’re wrong about this and move on? Why must we have faith that you’re right and that’s the only way this gets settled?

I’ve talked with you on a variety of the subjects you brought up, and I’ve also tried through scripture to show you where you are wrong.

I vaguely remember that thread, that’s one of many you’ve posted recently, they all go the same way though, with you posturing some idea you have of Christianity and telling we who know Christianity that we are wrong when we disagree with you.

I can see where you think that however you are not a Christian talking like you are an expert in Christianity when by the things you post, it’s obvious that you don’t understand Christianity at all. You are trying to use your own reasoning to decipher it and the knowledge comes from the grace of God.
 
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Do you think God would be wrong about Himself?
The Bible wasn't written by God though. People could easily be wrong about God though couldn't they? @Red Sky at Morning has said a lot about that kind of stuff, so he would agree with me on that, in that divine and sacred authority doesn't come from nothing, if it does exist. (and I do believe that sacred divine authority exists, which is exactly why I reject Christianity)
 

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Again, all you are doing here is:





THE PAINFUL TRUTH:
The order follower always bears more moral culpability than the order giver, because the order follower is the one who actually preformed the action, and in taking such action actually brought the resultant harm into physical manifestation.
ORDER FOLLOWING is the pathway to every form of evil and chaos on the earth.
It should never be seen as a "virtue" by anyone who sees themselves as a moral human being.
Order followers have ultimately been personally responsible and morally culpable for every form of slavery and every single totalitarian regime that has ever existed on the face of the earth. This goes for any religion that has had it's followers kill, maim, steal ect in the name of any organization that claims an omnipotent being.
 

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The Bible wasn't written by God though. People could easily be wrong about God though couldn't they? @Red Sky at Morning has said a lot about that kind of stuff, so he would agree with me on that, in that divine and sacred authority doesn't come from nothing, if it does exist. (and I do believe that sacred divine authority exists, which is exactly why I reject Christianity)
The Bible was inspired by God, which means that God wrote the Bible through different people. And the reason I do believe that is because I think if people wrote the Bible without God inspiring what they wrote..we would probably have a very different book centered on humanistic things.

There are some people that are wrong about God, but not the people that were inspired by God who wrote the Bible. The very nature of God is one if unlimited power, He can make sure people write what He wanted them to and He can make sure that true copies of His word are available for people to study.
 
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The Bible was inspired by God
So were Michelangelo's paintings, so was any art inspired by awe of God, much poetry has been written inspired by God.

which means that God wrote the Bible through different people.
Where do you get this conclusion from? not even the Bible itself agrees to this.

The only place where some kind of agreement can be met on that (strange, unbiblical idea) within the canonical Bible, is back in the Pentateuch, particularly of the book of Deuteronomy with it's connection to Sinai and Moses' scroll. (of which the meaning is that Deuteronomy has street-cred with the Israelite religion, Samaritanism, Judaism, Ebionites, Essenes, Catholicism, various forms of "heretical" Christianity, Orthodox Christianity, Islam and Protestantism)
 
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So were Michelangelo's paintings, so was any art inspired by awe of God, much poetry has been written inspired by God.



Where do you get this conclusion from? not even the Bible itself agrees to this.
It doesn’t? What do you think inspired by God means?
The Bible itself is inspired by God and is His word.
 
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