On the Trinity:

[Lisa]

I don’t know what happens in heaven and am going by your dogma.

What is my dogma then?

As to true believers, I showed the standard Jesus set and according to that standard, there are no real Christians.

Anyone who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ is saved..that’s the standard and there are real Christians who believe in Him.

Jesus also said that the spirit was in our whole bodies but you do not seem to have ever read your bible.

That’s interesting you say that...

‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭1:22‬ ‭
Who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.
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I don’t blame you ass that is the surest way for you to become and atheist. I would prefer you adopting the better Gnostic Christian ways but better an atheist than a Christian.

I’d rather not be crass and uncouth as you gnostic “christians” are...

 

[Lisa]

??

Gen 1;27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Either you are trolling, or stupid.

Regards
DL

Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness. God did create them both, but it was man in His image.

 

[bible_student]

‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭​

Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?​

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‭‭‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:12‬ ‭​

It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things into which angels long to look.

Hebrews‬ ‭1:2-7, 13-14‬ ‭​

In these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they. For to which of the angels did He ever say, “YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU ”? And again, “I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME ”? And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.” And of the angels He says, “WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE.”​

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But to which of the angels has He ever said, “SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET ”? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?​

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Hebrews‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭​

YOU HAVE MADE HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS; YOU HAVE CROWNED HIM WITH GLORY AND HONOR, AND HAVE APPOINTED HIM OVER THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS.​

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For a little while we are lower than angels..

But why? We know that we currently exist in a fallen state. So, that means that we know that we fell.

but we will eventually judge angels so then they aren’t higher than us forever.

It says the holy people will judge angels. But which angels?
The only angels that could need to be judged are those angels who have fallen.
The angels who did not fall don't need to be judged, because they are all in heaven.

1 Corinthians
6:2 Do ye not know that the holy people shall judge the world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge [fallen] angels? How much more things that pertain to this life?

It says the holy people shall judge the world (not the heaven).
So it refers to the fallen angels that are in the world, not the faithful angels who are still living in heaven with God.
The fallen angels are all here on this earth.

How can a created being be on par with God? They are created by God, so they cannot be God

Correct.

or be like God...

If they always obey God, then they will be like Him (through obeying Him and doing His Will - i.e. they will be being good).

But, that does not make them God. They are however being like God (i.e. Good) by following His Instructions and because of always obeying Him and keeping His Commandments.

Satan wanted to be, but he is not.

Isaiah‬ ‭14:13-15‬ ‭​

But you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol, To the recesses of the pit.​

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Agreed. Satan wanted to over-throw the Lord and to take His place, so that he could rule, and inflict his own selfish opinion and evil desires on the heavens.
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Why wouldn’t Lot show respect for the angels of God? God sent them to him.

Exactly. God sent the angels to Lot, so by respecting them and doing what they told him, Lot was acknowledging their higher status and that God had sent them to him and was showing that he respected God.

 

[Lisa]

But why? It is because we are fallen. Therefore, we currently exist in this fallen (and therefore lower) state.

We surely can’t judge angels in this state can we? We can’t even do right ourselves.

It says the holy people will judge angels. But which angels?
The only angels that could need to be judged are those angels who have fallen.
The ones who did not, don't need to be judged, because they are all still in heaven.

Won’t the fallen angels follow satan into the pit?

It says the holy people shall judge the world (not the heaven).
So it refers to the fallen angels that are in the world, not the faithful angels who are still living in heaven with God.
The fallen angels are all here on this earth.

In revelation God says He will create a new heaven and new earth and He will dwell with men on the earth. Also Jesus will reign on the earth for a millennium, we will also reign with Him...perhaps His angels will also be on earth as well?

If they always obey God, then they will be like Him (through obeying Him and doing His Will - i.e. they will be being good).

But, that does not make them God. They are however being like God (i.e. Good) by following His Instructions and because of always obeying Him and keeping His Commandments.

So then they aren’t the Us and Our in the verse in Genesis.

Exactly. God sent the angels to Lot, so by respecting them and doing what they told him, Lot was acknowledging their higher status and that God had sent them to him and was showing that he respected God.

I think He was just respecting that they are God’s angels and respecting God by honoring His angels. Not honoring a higher status.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

What is my dogma then?


Anyone who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ is saved..that’s the standard and there are real Christians who believe in Him.


That’s interesting you say that...

‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭1:22‬ ‭
Who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.
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I’d rather not be crass and uncouth as you gnostic “christians” are...

What is uncouth is you idol worshiping a genocidal and infanticidal god.

Regards
DL

 

[Lisa]

What is uncouth is you idol worshiping a genocidal and infanticidal god.

Regards
DL

Oops...you’ve run out of anything worthy to say again?

 

[Susu.mochi]

What is uncouth is you idol worshiping a genocidal and infanticidal god.

Regards
DL

I honestly have just one question for you. Why don't you believe in God. Don't you believe that there is so much more to life than what the world is trying to sell you? But once again you cant force anyone to be a believer it is only if they accept it. Anyways I hope you don't continue to bash peoples beliefs and i hope you understand that this is a thread based on the trinity which is a christian subject so i don't think you want to be here, because it seems like you don't believe in that stuff. Anyways have a nice day!!

 

[bible_student]

We surely can’t judge angels in this state can we? We can’t even do right ourselves.

Agreed.

Won’t the fallen angels follow satan into the pit?

Yes, that's what it says will happen.

In revelation God says He will create a new heaven and new earth and He will dwell with men on the earth.

Agreed.

Also Jesus will reign on the earth for a millennium, we will also reign with Him...

Whosoever the Lord chooses.

perhaps His angels will also be on earth as well?

It talks about the New Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven and then says that His Tabernacle will be with men and that He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them and be their God.

So then they aren’t the Us and Our in the verse in Genesis.

The Us and Our could be both if referring to God and them as well and if God was speaking to them about what He was about to do.

I think He was just respecting that they are God’s angels and respecting God by honoring His angels. Not honoring a higher status.

I think the fact that they always obey God is why they have a higher status.

 

[Lisa]

The Us and Our could be both if referring to God and them as well and if God was speaking to them about what He was about to do.

He wasn’t speaking to them about what He was about to do. He was speaking amongst Himself..in saying Us and Our.

I think the fact that they always obey God is why they get to have that higher status.

They get to have it for a time but I don’t think it has anything to do with who God is talking about when He was saying..

Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.”​

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[bible_student]

The doctrine of the Godhead/Trinity is not just speculation, it is the inevitable conclusion that comes from study of biblical scripture.

How can the catholic doctrine be the correct conclusion, when it is calling Jesus a liar? John 14:28
"Greater than" (what Jesus said) does not mean "co-equal to" (which is what the catholic doctrine claims).

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] ONE God, and One mediator between God and men, the Man Jesus Christ;

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I honestly have just one question for you. Why don't you believe in God. Don't you believe that there is so much more to life than what the world is trying to sell you? But once again you cant force anyone to be a believer it is only if they accept it. Anyways I hope you don't continue to bash peoples beliefs and i hope you understand that this is a thread based on the trinity which is a christian subject so i don't think you want to be here, because it seems like you don't believe in that stuff. Anyways have a nice day!!

Trinity or not, why do you think Yahweh/Jesus would be a worthy god, given his genocidal nature which has created a homophobic and misogynous religion?

Regards
DL

 

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[Axl888]

Through referencing the Bible, it can be seen that God is speaking to His heavenly host of angels:

So you mean to say angels and God are alike? Can you prove this?

When God said "let US make", are you saying that angels were involved in the creation? Can you also prove this?

 

[Infinityloop]

So you mean to say angels and God are alike? Can you prove this?

When God said "let US make", are you saying that angels were involved in the creation? Can you also prove this?

 

[Infinityloop]

@Axl888 you should really study your book more

 

[Axl888]

@Axl888 you should really study your book more

Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

 

[Infinityloop]

@Axl888 You may find this video useful too:

 

[bible_student]

So you mean to say angels and God are alike? Can you prove this?

Hi.
The Bible teaches that God created all of the angels (the sons of God - Job 1:6).
Christ being the first created* by God - His oldest Son/Angel - Archangel Prince Michael.

* - Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Daniel 10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the Scripture of Truth: and [there is] NONE that holdeth with me in these things, EXCEPT Michael your prince (Eno. 67:1; Rev. 5:3; 5; 9 & 12:7).

God also told Daniel that Michael (your prince) is the Messiah (the Prince) i.e. Christ.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the Commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


"Christ, the Spirit-Being that was placed in-side the body (IN-carnated not begotten as it has been misinterpreted) called Jesus, was not born 2000 years ago or even 2,000 millennia ago. He is, as he said, older than this planet and zillions of years old, being the first created by God (His oldest Son - Prince Michael - Dan. 10:21)." - http://jahtruth.net/xmas.htm

When God said "let US make", are you saying that angels were involved in the creation?

It says that God made the worlds by (or through) His oldest Son/Angel (The Archangel Prince Michael i.e., Christ) whom He appointed heir of all things:

Hebrews
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;

The faithful angels (sons of God) are the ones who always obey God and the Bible shows that they remain active within His Creation, which includes the earth and that God gives them tasks to perform that they then go and carry out for God.

Can you also prove this?

A couple of examples from the Bible were referred to previously, of where God sent two angels to Lot to carry out a task and they then faithfully carried out His Commands. Another example is where God sent an Angel before Moses to keep them in the way (Exodus 23:20-21) and God cautioned Moses, that they were to obey the voice of the Angel that He sent and warned not to provoke him (the Angel).

The Bible teaches that the sons of God (the angels) were already present when God laid the foundations of the earth (which occurs in Genesis) and that the angels at that time sang together and shouted for joy when God laid the foundations of the earth:

King of kings' Bible, Job
38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
38:7 When the morning star's inhabitants sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

@Axl888 you should really study your book more

A good find. I took her full course.

Regards
DL