Faker He-Man
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I hope by now you can understand why I asked, and why I also knew no one would be willing to answer it. Oh well. LOL
It’s not our fault you asked a question that doesn’t have an answer you thought it did.I hope by now you can understand why I asked, and why I also knew no one would be willing to answer it. Oh well. LOL
I answered it. Red asked me to answer and I did.It’s not our fault you asked a question that doesn’t have an answer you thought it did.
@Red Sky at Morning have you reflected on what I said here?It doesn't shed light unless you allow it. Why do so many resist it? I don't think it's a challenging question. It reveals the paradox of our own survival instinct. It's only a difficult question if you avoid it. We want to delay answering it, because deep-down we know if we had to make a rash decision in a split-second, many of us would absolutely die to save someone else, and this is an unacknowledged source of fear for most people. If you want to know what you would ultimately do if you had to decide RIGHT NOW... just remind yourself that firefighters and other first-responders risk their own life and don't question it while in the moment. If they did they would not be good at their job.
You answered your own question about salvation?I answered it. Red asked me to answer and I did.
I tried an answer though but your question is paradoxical for Christians because it implies that people don't need God to get to heaven. They just need relations like in politics.I hope by now you can understand why I asked, and why I also knew no one would be willing to answer it. Oh well. LOL
Of course... have you considered my response?@Red Sky at Morning have you reflected on what I said here?
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-purpose-of-life-in-christianity.6269/post-233102I tried an answer though but your question is paradoxical for Christians because it implies that people don't need God to get to heaven. They just need relations like in politics.
How could you answer a paradox like this? Have you tried to answer with your understanding of things ?
Its like @Wigi said, we then would have to say you don’t need God to be saved. And that’s not the truth. We need to believe in Jesus to be saved, there’s no hypothetical with that.sheesh it's meant to be hypothetical. An imaginary scenario. Use your imagination if you still have one.
It's not my gift to give though. God has a purpose for his corrective punishment. Unlike the sadistic doctrine of eternal torment, I believe God chastises and purifies those he loves for their benefit. (that would be everybody by the way). There are those who choose to trust in God during this lifetime, who will have the privilege of not having to experience the Lake of fire in the ages to come. The Lake of fire, whether figurative or literal, is God's method for purification and corrective/remedial punishment for unbelievers who do not experience the correction and sanctification process in this lifetime.Why not? Is that not the greatest gift you could ever give? Why do you not see it as opportunity?
Yes, but you responded as if it was not meant to be an imaginary scenario.Of course... have you considered my response?
It's an imaginary scenario. A hypothetical. It's meant for self-reflection, nothing more. You're trying to make it theological and missing the point.It's not my gift to give though. God has a purpose for his corrective punishment. Unlike the sadistic doctrine of eternal torment, I believe God chastises and purifies those he loves for their benefit. (that would be everybody by the way). There are those who choose to trust in God during this lifetime, who will have the privilege of not having to experience the Lake of fire in the ages to come. The Lake of fire, whether figurative or literal, is God's method for purification and corrective/remedial punishment for unbelievers who do not experience the correction and sanctification process in this lifetime.
So even if your hypothetical situation was presented to me, it would not benefit either me or the person I'm being offered to trade places with. If that person did not experience the purification and sanctification process in this lifetime, they would not be fit for the abundant life of God in his eternal kingdom on the new re-created earth.
I believe the purpose of the Lake of Fire is good and not just some sadistic method of God taking revenge on unbelievers. While it might not be pleasant, it is for the benefit of his creation that he loves. I would be impeding the process of God's purification and sanctification of all of his creation by trading places with un-saved person. No pain no gain!
I believe your question needs to engage with spiritual reality to be truly worthwhile.Yes, but you responded as if it was not meant to be an imaginary scenario.
self-reflection is not worthwhile?I believe your question needs to engage with spiritual reality to be truly worthwhile.
Ask a different question...self-reflection is not worthwhile?
I'm not missing the point. I'm the one who posed the question LOL@Faker He-Man It’s you who’s missing the point.