Lisa
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Where do you think the American Jews are trying to go? Mexico? Don’t many of them live on the east coast? Why build a wall in Mexico to keep them in? That doesn’t make a lot of sense actually.And for reference, that “wall” Trumps trying to put up is to stop an exodus. So its not about Mexicans coming in but the Israelites going out. And the people who it’s for will understand but those on the outside looking in....?
Paul who was Jewish tells us that the Jews haven’t stumbled that they fell. They’ve only stumbled for a little bit till the fullness of the gentiles comes in. God is bestowing His grace on the gentiles and God is able to graft the Jews in again.The Old Testament doesn’t leave room for them “stumbling” before and AFTER entering the land that they were to only enter WHEN they obeyed Gods commandments. But what the OT explicitly says doesn’t matter until we’re trying to verify the NT.
He said He would bring them back in the land..not because of them, they profane His name and they do don’t they?What you think is only relevant to yourself. What matters is what scripture says and I showed where it says Israel entering their land will happen by a chain of events. A chain of events that did NOT happen with the people you call Jews entering their created promised land. You can’t call the OT the word of God then disregard the chain of events God said a certain thing would happen in. Well you can do that but that seems to be the doings of a hypocrite...
Ezekiel 36:22-25
Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for My holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you went. I will vindicate the holiness of My great name which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD," declares the Lord GOD, "when I prove Myself holy among you in their sight.Then God says that they would be a cup of reeling and a heavy stone for all peoples..it surely is that. No one can can do anything to them without getting hurt themselves.
Zechariah 12:2-3
Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it.Because those verses talk about the end times which is why I bring them up all the time. You can say they don’t matter and give other verses all you’d like, but the truth is that Israel is in the land that God gave them. They are surrounded by enemies within and enemies without. Much of the world hates them and goes against them all the time. That goes with prophecy.Yep so you ignore one verse to hold the other up like I said you would. Instead of addressing why one says WHEN they obey you just hold up the other verse as if that verse overrules what’s being said by Moses who was told what to write by God (well according to the OT that you call the word of God) to the Israelites in the latter days. I knew this is where we’d end up though just thought I’d give it a go for old times sake
The Bible says that there will be a time of Jacobs trouble where God will again deal with Israel after the fullness of the gentiles comes in. In that time there will be another temple. How do we know? Because they will reinstate sacrifices. How do we know? Because in Daniel we are told that Jacobs trouble is 7 years long. In the middle of it they will put in end to sacrifices that were started again...because how can you end something unless it’s started again? So that would mean that Israel would have to be in their land again and have a temple there. They aren’t going to be believers because the want to build a temple. Christians don’t need temples like that.
When the sacrifice is stopped the antichrist will be in the temple and he will cause the abomination of desolation and after that some Jews will flee and God will hide them, others will be killed and the women raped.
All that doesn’t happen in America but in the Middle East, in Israel, Israel is in the right place at the right time.
Though I believe that Christians will also experience the end times because Paul tells us that Jesus isn’t coming back until after the abomination of desolation that happens at the midpoint. In fact we don’t get raptured until the end when Jesus comes back.