Thunderian
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Israel’s claim to the land today is based on clear ownership. They are the indigenous people, who through 2000 years looked to Jerusalem as their home. Have you ever heard it said by Jews to each other, “Next year in Jerusalem”? Probably not, but it’s one of the most ancient toasts in the world, and was a hope and a prayer among Jews for the thousands of years they were apart from their land.Yeah it's true people do have the tendency to ignore the actual subject before them and retreat into various kinds of projections, religious ones included. I figure that here we're supposed to be discussing whether or not what Israel does and has done is ethical. It might be that there is some kind of prophecy according to some particular interpretation of a spiritual text, that doesn't have any bearing on whether or not the way Israel behaves is correct and justified, right? Prophecy is not an excuse.
Jews didn’t displace anyone when they began to return to Palestine. They bought and reclaimed the land they could get, and it wasn’t until Israel was attacked that they regained Jerusalem. By any legal international standards, Israel has the right to the land they have.
I don’t need the Bible to tell me that the modern state of Israel is hated for no good reason, just as Jews have been throughout history.
Whether a person believes in God or not, two things can be in no doubt:
1) Historically, the Jews have been the object of a disproportionate amount of hatred and persecution.
2) Despite this, they are still around.
I can attribute the hate Israel has received and their preservation through thousands of years of persecution to Satan’s hatred of God, and to God’s protection of the people by which he has blessed and will bless mankind, but I’d be interested in how unbelievers account for it.
I know a lot of antisemites, including ones who believe in God, will say:
1) Jews are hated because they’re evil.
2) Jews have so far escaped justice by pogrom/holocaust/UN ruling because they control everything, because they’re evil.
You’d think, with all the Jew-hating that’s going around, it would be based on more than those two lies, but that’s really what it amounts to.