If you love god and your neighbor with all your heart than heartfelt repentance is a natural unavoidable consequence of sin.What of heartfelt repentance though? It seems that without it, we cannot enter the Kingdom...
If you love god and your neighbor with all your heart than heartfelt repentance is a natural unavoidable consequence of sin.What of heartfelt repentance though? It seems that without it, we cannot enter the Kingdom...
It is unfortunate that many Christians have forgotten what it was that drew them to repentance in the first place:-If you love god and your neighbor with all your heart than heartfelt repentance is a natural unavoidable consequence of sin.
i may be missing something but i dont see how that contradicts what im sayingIt is unfortunate that many Christians have forgotten what it was that drew them to repentance in the first place:-
Romans 2:4 (NKJV)
4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
I am not always about contradicting ;-)i may be missing something but i dont see how that contradicts what im saying
I think salvation is of primary importance, everything else takes a second place. The thing that occurs to me is that is one thing to be dragged from the sea by a helping hand, and another thing to know the person who has saved you. It’s subtle, but maybe a worthwhile observation.Also was going to add that a friend and brother of mine is a Oneness Pentecostal. I know he's my brother in the faith even though I took issue with the Oneness thing at first. Then I went to Hebrew Roots which is all about the oneness, but there were other things there not for me. I felt I lost track of Jesus and grace there. It was so great to read the Torah, yet I honestly missed the New Testament. It was brought in some, but like a side note or afterthought. Plus, to me, it seemed very constraining like boxing oneself in more than necessary.
My oneness brother is my brother. At first I didn't like his beliefs because to be in his church I'd have to get rebaptized (my first baptism took) and re-filled with the Holy Spirit according to their formulas. It was like I'd have to prove my salvation to them. More about the fear of man versus the fear of God. Nah. Don't need that.
I reconciled with my brother though and I know he loves Jesus with everything even if we do not see things the exact same way. Wouldn't life be boring if we were all the same? People pleasing, fear of man and controlling people want everything to fit neatly into categories and cause divisions. Like I can't fellowship with you because you're one of those Oneness Pentecostals or whatever. That's wrong. I'm so glad he and I still get along. I was worried about losing the friendship for disagreeing with him. Now I see more where he and others with the same beliefs are coming from. I'm still evaluating my take on things and believe belief isn't static but active.
Wow you really don't get how simple the truth is. Your commentary on the exchange is completely unrelated to the point of the teaching. In the 2nd part of the ACTUAL dialogue the lawyer asks who is his neighbor and Jesus tells of the good Samaritan- and that the lawyer should do the same. Why is it so hard to believe this is the key to eternal life?@DavidSon
Behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested him, saying, "Teacher, what shall I DO to inherit eternal life?"
It seems to me that this individual believes that certain holy, humane actions would be sufficient to cause him to inherit heaven....
He said to him,"What is written in the law? How do you read it?"
Jesus answers with a question which prompts him to answer from his frame of reference...
He answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with ALL your soul, with ALL your strength, and with ALL your mind; and your neighbor as YOURSELF."
The lawyer knows God’s standard, but as he looks back over his life, has he kept it?
He said to him, "You have answered correctly. Do this, and you will live." -
The lawyer might leave this exchange either congratulating himself for his moral perfection or rather thoughtful, just as those who were without sin were invited to cast the first stone.
Jesus here simply answered him according to his question. The answer should have prompted anyone acquainted with their sinful condition to cry for mercy...
Matthew 19:16-22, What must I do to obtain eternal life?Wow you really don't get how simple the truth is. Your commentary on the exchange is completely unrelated to the point of the teaching. In the 2nd part of the ACTUAL dialogue the lawyer asks who is his neighbor and Jesus tells of the good Samaritan- and that the lawyer should do the same. Why is it so hard to believe this is the key to eternal life?
"The Kingdom" isn't some magical place from a fantasy novel. It's a becoming. The Kingdom of God is within us and without, and only He can bless us with the vision to see it.
Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.- MATT 22:35-40
I don't know about you, but I don't have two other seperate people living in my .[/
You are so lost in your carnal teaching that you hinder the Gospel of God and who He is. If you do not know who He is, Then you can not possibly worship Him. Your pride of knowledge "so called" is right in with the visible Church (CINO). You must be born again Todd, with out the Spirit, you are none of His, And your own explanations of the Scriptures will not make it so. You do not join the Church, it is a calling...Only Christ adds to His body (The Church). We know Him who we worship. We know Him personally.Where does it say anything about sharing the title of God? It says "the name of"
I have been given the name of my father. Does not make me my father. Because of his obedience Jesus was given the name above all names. If Jesus was pre-existant as God, he would not have need to be given anything, as he would have already been and already have everything he needed. The fact that Jesus was "given the name" says alot.
I started typing a response to this but decided it wasn't worth it. I don't need to defend myself to you. There is nothing practical in this post for anyone to apply to their lives....it's just dogmatic, abstract drivel. If you want to set aside the judgemental condemnation and have an actual discussion let me know.You are so lost in your carnal teaching that you hinder the Gospel of God and who He is. If you do not know who He is, Then you can not possibly worship Him. Your pride of knowledge "so called" is right in with the visible Church (CINO). You must be born again Todd, with out the Spirit, you are none of His, And your own explanations of the Scriptures will not make it so. You do not join the Church, it is a calling...Only Christ adds to His body (The Church). We know Him who we worship. We know Him personally.
??? You seem to have a problem staying on topic. If you want to tag me then why not a basic reply to what I said. I'm showing you your pagan theories about the Trinity have little to do with salvation or the works of God. Jesus preached LOVE in both instances I sited. These are the keys to ETERNAL LIFE. Now you're off on a tangent about laws?@DavidSon
I was considering your comments and something very clearly came to me:-
Romans 3:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Lest anyone think that this was just Paul’s view, what of the incident with the woman caught in adultery?
John 8
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Given that the Law is beautiful, but nobody could keep it, we are left with real problems!!!
Someone recorded a video after having had a peculiar dream that illustrated the Law and grace...
Lol - its my thread ;-) only joking - the conversation has deviated into the question of law and grace and for that reason I tried to answer along those lines...??? You seem to have a problem staying on topic. If you want to tag me then why not a basic reply to what I said. I'm showing you your pagan theories about the Trinity have little to do with salvation or the works of God. Jesus preached LOVE in both instances I sited. These are the keys to ETERNAL LIFE. Now you're off on a tangent about laws?
That was not a discussion, It was the Gospel Truth. You will have to give an account to Christ for what you teach, just as I will.I started typing a response to this but decided it wasn't worth it. I don't need to defend myself to you. There is nothing practical in this post for anyone to apply to their lives....it's just dogmatic, abstract drivel. If you want to set aside the judgemental condemnation and have an actual discussion let me know.
Sorry, I couldn't get past Matt Slick....Matthew 19:16-22, What must I do to obtain eternal life?
by Matt Slick
In case you weren’t aware this is a discussion forum, not your personal pulpit. I have no problem giving account what I teach. I don’t teach or judge others here. I simply discuss and give evidence for what I personally believe. I have no fear of God correcting my understanding in the ages to come.That was not a discussion, It was the Gospel Truth. You will have to give an account to Christ for what you teach, just as I will.
And therein lies the problem Todd. You have no fear of God. And it's YOUR understanding...Yet when someone explains to you the Truth, You deny it. The Holy Spirit teaches the Truth. What is so hard about that...unless you do not believe it? Teacher / pastor is my calling and election. I did not choose it. There is no born again believer that is not gifted through the Spirit. Ask the Lord to show you by prayer. In the beginning was God, And the Word (logos) was with God, and the Word (logos) was God. And everything that was made, was made by Him, and there is nothing that was made that was not made by Him. He is called Emanuel, (God with us) Jesus is The God of the OT (1 Cor. 10:1-5). To understand it, you must love the Lord....not just curious, For to know Him is to love Him and His commandment is to Love the brethren as He has loved us. And the fellowship between the brethren and the Lord is so close that when His own are wrongly persecuted, He feels their pain and sorrow also. I only wish you peace in knowing the fellowship of the Savior.I have no fear of God correcting my understanding in the ages to come.
You really think I haven’t prayed and asked God to show me truth? I used the believe the same dogma of the church that you spout out. There is much you have right and I have no doubt about your faith in God and your sincerity. The longer you seek God and serve him the more you will realize what you believe is not really what the Bible says but you will also realize that dogma and doctrine mean little if it doesn’t actually produce fruit in your life. The Bible says taste and see the lord is good. For 25 years I tasted what the organized church was serving. A lot of it was good but there was also plenty that was not. I have tasted things that are not well know in the organized Church and often bring the condemnation and judgment of others such as yourself. However when I take survey of the fruit in my life that is the result of my beliefs that is the true test. I know my redeemer and my Lord. I know the peace that surpasses all understanding.And therein lies the problem Todd. You have no fear of God. And it's YOUR understanding...Yet when someone explains to you the Truth, You deny it. The Holy Spirit teaches the Truth. What is so hard about that...unless you do not believe it? Teacher / pastor is my calling and election. I did not choose it. There is no born again believer that is not gifted through the Spirit. Ask the Lord to show you by prayer. In the beginning was God, And the Word (logos) was with God, and the Word (logos) was God. And everything that was made, was made by Him, and there is nothing that was made that was not made by Him. He is called Emanuel, (God with us) Jesus is The God of the OT (1 Cor. 10:1-5). To understand it, you must love the Lord....not just curious, For to know Him is to love Him and His commandment is to Love the brethren as He has loved us. And the fellowship between the brethren and the Lord is so close that when His own are wrongly persecuted, He feels their pain and sorrow also. I only wish you peace in knowing the fellowship of the Savior.
I don't agree with everything Douglass says (just his interpretation Genesis 6, tbh), but that "drivel" he was "spouting" up there isn't dogma-- it's pretty much word for word New Testament.You really think I haven’t prayed and asked God to show me truth? I used the believe the same dogma of the church that you spout out. There is much you have right and I have no doubt about your faith in God and your sincerity. The longer you seek God and serve him the more you will realize what you believe is not really what the Bible says but you will also realize that dogma and doctrine mean little if it doesn’t actually produce fruit in your life. The Bible says taste and see the lord is good. For 25 years I tasted what the organized church was serving. A lot of it was good but there was also plenty that was not. I have tasted things that are not well know in the organized Church and often bring the condemnation and judgment of others such as yourself. However when I take survey of the fruit in my life that is the result of my beliefs that is the true test. I know my redeemer and my Lord. I know the peace that surpasses all understanding.
Thank you for your concern. When you can show me how a different belief or doctrine is able to produce fruit in my life I will listen and be opened minded. Until then your abstract, dogma filled drivel is of little use to me.
I call it drivel in that what he keeps posting (while it may technically be true) is cliche “Christianese” statements, that have very little to no practical application for someone not already versed in said “Christianese”.I don't agree with everything Douglass says (just his interpretation Genesis 6, tbh), but that "drivel" he was "spouting" up there isn't dogma-- it's pretty much word for word New Testament.
This point is not necessarily directed at you @Todd but as you bring this point up, I think it is an interesting one to explore...For 25 years I tasted what the organized church was serving. A lot of it was good but there was also plenty that was not.