No regard...for the desire of women

[justjess]

What is it with my age that has people so annoyed anyway...no, I’m not 65 either..but even if I were, I’m still entitled to my own opinion...

I’m no ones freedom fighter, but that mode of dress is an affront to me and should be an affront to all woman. But, I conced that some may like to dress that way, however, I think if the women wearing those things were able to give their honest opinions about it, they wouldn’t be wearing them. That isn’t modest dress its an extreme form of control....

True story about my neighbor...

What really chaps my hide about it is that God tells us that we are fearfully and wonderfully, hiding women goes against that.

Are orthodox Jewish women who are forced to wear wigs and head to toe dresses an affront to you as well?

 

[Lisa]

Are orthodox Jewish women who are forced to wear wigs and head to toe dresses an affront to you as well?

I don’t know the context of this so I don’t have an opinion right now because I have never heard of this.

 

[justjess]

I don’t know the context of this so I don’t have an opinion right now because I have never heard of this.

What haven’t you heard?

Your a rabid Zionist and you don’t even know what the Jewish religion entails?

 

[Lisa]

What haven’t you heard?

Your a rabid Zionist and you don’t even know what the Jewish religion entails?

I haven’t heard about Jewish women forced to wear wigs and dress modestly..whatever modestly means in this scenario, so how can I comment on it?

Do, I have to know what the Jewish religion entails? I don’t believe they are innocent little darlings if that’s what you’re implying. I do know that God isn’t done with them and that God still has plans to bring them back to Himself..so how can I condemn them? They are His people and He will deal with them.

 

[Todd]

. I do know that God isn’t done with them and that God still has plans to bring them back to Himself..so how can I condemn them? They are His people and He will deal with them.

So it's only the heathen or the fallen that you are quick to condemn, right?

 

[Lisa]

So it's only the heathen or the fallen that you are quick to condemn, right?

Like I said, idk about this and so really can’t make a comment on something I don’t know anything about. I have commented though on things I know something about, is that what you’re upset over?

 

[AspiringSoul]

What a slap in the face to his wife! I hate that she has to sit there and be a part of this...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7313849/Thai-king-anoints-army-nurse-mistress-official-concubine-ceremony-wife.html

A man gets the highest seat of power in his country through his own work and wits. His wife gets to enjoy the proceeds of his position, for doing nothing else but spreading her legs and maybe occasionally telling him "you da man" (after all behind every great man is a great woman). This one hasn't even been married long. She's a glorified hooker.

 

[Lisa]

A man gets the highest seat of power in his country through his own work and wits. His wife gets to enjoy the proceeds of his position, for doing nothing else but spreading her legs and maybe occasionally telling him "you da man" (after all behind every great man is a great woman). This one hasn't even been married long. She's a glorified hooker.

Wow! That’s pretty crass.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Wow! That’s pretty crass.

Misogyny is a requirement for Muslim men, it’s even worse than Christianity and Judaism which are of course terrible, the Muslims are on a whole new level of woman hate.

 

[Lisa]

the Muslims are on a whole new level of woman hate.

I agree with you there.

 

[Todd]

Like I said, idk about this and so really can’t make a comment on something I don’t know anything about. I have commented though on things I know something about, is that what you’re upset over?

Who's upset Lisa? I simply was asking for clarification as you said you can't condemn the jews because God's not done with them. Since you are all about condemning everyone on this forum, I was just asking for clarification on who you do and who you don't condemn, that's all.

 

[Serveto]

I agree with you there.

By forbidding female infanticide, a customary practice in pagan Arabia, Muhammad, with the Quran in hand, saved more women than you ever will. If you go on to argue that he saved them only for a life of servitude, PBS has a fairly informative, if arguably liberal article on the complex issue here, though, of course, I don't expect you to read it.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

By forbidding female infanticide, a customary practice in pagan Arabia, Muhammad, with the Quran in hand, saved more women than you ever will. If you go on to argue that he saved them only for a life of servitude, PBS has a fairly informative, if arguably liberal article on the complex issue here, though, of course, I don't expect you to read it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_pre-Islamic_Arabia

That’s up for debate and much of the source for that comes from the Quran itself. Every single Muslim country has a terrible record on women’s rights and the only bright spot and the only people trying to move past the 7th century are the Kurds, who are of course hated by virtually all the other Muslims

 

[Serveto]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_pre-Islamic_Arabia

That’s up for debate and much of the source for that comes from the Quran itself. Every single Muslim country has a terrible record on women’s rights and the only bright spot and the only people trying to move past the 7th century are the Kurds, who are of course hated by virtually all the other Muslims

I accept that Muslims, and Arabs, such as Ibn at-Tabari, are as capable of writing their history as Jews, such as Josephus and the Biblical author of Kings and Chronicles are of theirs. I don't rely upon the Quran solely for my information about pagan Arabia. That the Muslims are, in a sense, in their "dark ages" I also accept, but Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity. The PBS article articulates rights that were given to Muslim women that weren't given to English women, for instance, until the late 1800's.

 

[justjess]

Orthodox Jewish women are required by religious law to cover their collarbones, elbows, knees and hair. How this translates in the orthodox communities in Brooklyn and jersey that I am familiar with is the women wear long, sleeved, high collared dresses and wigs.

For someone who has so much to say about Jews in general I am surprised you are unaware of this... especially since a year ago I mentioned it a couple pages back in this very thread.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzniut

 

[DesertRose]

I really do not get why they keep coming back to their one sided views
Even though Islam is younger we had rights more than a thousand years before Christian countries.I.e property rights for women.
A right to business ventures.
Rights to correct and help bring people in power.
Rights to maintenance and provision.
Rights to keeping our own money if we decide to work without contributing to the family although it will be considered charity if we do so.
Our marriages allow us to put conditions that have to be adhered to by men.
It is interesting that some think dressing modestly is considered oppressive when that is a seriously subjective opinion.
The objectification of women is oppressive.
We think it is liberating when we do not have to be judged by our looks for jobs or in our social circles.
Moreover, men and women in the Muslim world both dress modestly. In many countries they are dressed similar:

Ultimately, dressing modestly is on the rise. Freedom or the lack thereof is not indicated by your dresscode that is a really simplistic way of seeing it.
Currently, I think many third world countries have more freedom than in the west.
I posted a video on NWO showing the stark lack of freedom in America especially due to government and corporations controlling individual decisions from the TSA (Xray machines), medical freedom, food freedom, economic freedom, freedom in regards to privacy which are all seriously compromised.
I feel empathy for people who have to live with that much regulation and more impending laws that are hard on the small businesses and local communities while leaving the rich and the 'Too big to fails' that are stealing from Taxpayers. That is fascism.
I would like to see how well women will do in the west after the economy takes a hit? Worry about when the welfare states cannot help those in need medically and economically.
Some of you should read and travel more and stop your wholesale statements it gets tedious

 

[Lisa]

By forbidding female infanticide, a customary practice in pagan Arabia, Muhammad, with the Quran in hand, saved more women than you ever will. If you go on to argue that he saved them only for a life of servitude, PBS has a fairly informative, if arguably liberal article on the complex issue here, though, of course, I don't expect you to read it.

I didn’t see what you are talking about in the link just a timeline.

If he doesn’t forbid female infanticide, how does he grow his army and how does he keep the army he has happy with sex slaves when the girls turn 9?

 

[DesertRose]

And the prize for the most offensive 'ZioChristian' on VC once again goes to the Lisa the queen of mean.....
Anyone who responds to you is wasting their time. Heads up to the newbies ........if you want serious discussion do not take this troll seriously.
lisa......perish in your rage....
and my good side will pray for your ignorant soul.

 

[Lisa]

Orthodox Jewish women are required by religious law to cover their collarbones, elbows, knees and hair. How this translates in the orthodox communities in Brooklyn and jersey that I am familiar with is the women wear long, sleeved, high collared dresses and wigs.

For someone who has so much to say about Jews in general I am surprised you are unaware of this... especially since a year ago I mentioned it a couple pages back in this very thread.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzniut

Do they make their women wear tents? Doesn’t seem so. Ya, they want their men and women to dress modestly..but not in tents. The wig thing..idk what that’s really about but they can also and do wear hats and scarves..so, not sure how that is so wrong. Do, they do it like the muslims? Where the whole of the face and hair and sometimes even the eyes are covered? No, the article doesn’t mention that they do it that way.

I don’t know that I was here a year ago and I can’t remember the discussion of a year ago anyway.

 

[Haich]

I didn’t see what you are talking about in the link just a timeline.

If he doesn’t forbid female infanticide, how does he grow his army and how does he keep the army he has happy with sex slaves when the girls turn 9?

Lol why do you regurgitate extensively debunked and clarified misconceptions about Islam. Is that all you resort to? Why are you so scared about Islam?

You seem to take joy in 'being saved' and others 'being damned to hell'. Is this what your faith breeds, arrogance?

I only ever see Christians (some of course, not all) acting holier than thou, waffling about how jesus is the only way to salvation (usually outside tube stations).

I find it strange that you spend an awful lot of time spouting a heap of poppycock about Islam. Like Justjess said, at least be universal in your hate and include Judaism. Of course, you couldn't do that because your hate is especially directed to muslims and you are clearly intolerant and incapable of any form of cultural assimilation or alliance with anything to do with a brown person who just happens to serve God in a different way to you.