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At the very least you should respect the fact I don't share your beliefs. It would be nice if you displayed at least a basic understanding of how I understand these topics too.Jesus and God are the same God...
For example, I doubt you know what God's Immanence means as opposed to His Transcendence. I doubt you ever acknowledged the fact that St Augustine (in his book, On the Trinity) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Trinity was definitely influenced by people like Plotinus.
God is Immanent in ALL things. His Immanence eg His Love and Mercy, is accessible to us, anywhere and within us. We can all believe in God as The Creator for example, but it doesn't make us close to God. It's by becoming open to His Immanence, we can know God.
God's Immanence is through His Word (the logos/image of God which was symbolically called The Son). If you think one one aspect of God as pure light..and the Word (Image/expression) as a prism, the prism may refract the light of God (The INVISIBLE Father is known through the Son), but it isn't the light itself.
Jesus was the incarnation of the Logos, in that sense, God was Immanent in him..but God is Immanent everywhere, still Jesus could be viewed as the perfect symbol/illustration of God's Immanence. Jesus didnt just point to himself, he made people aware of God's Immanence within themselves.
The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light
The trinitarian doctrine, referred to God's Immanence eg only The Father, is the Trancendent aspect of God. the Son and Holy Spirit are both aspects of God's Immanence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanence
According to Christian theology, the transcendent God, who cannot be approached or seen in essence or being, becomes immanent primarily in the God-manJesus the Christ, who is the incarnate Second Person of the Trinity. In Byzantine Rite theology the immanence of God is expressed as the hypostases or energies of God, who in his essence is incomprehensible and transcendent. In Catholic theology, Christ and the Holy Spirit immanently reveal themselves; God the Father only reveals himself immanently vicariously through the Son and Spirit, and the divine nature, the Godhead is wholly transcendent and unable to be comprehended.
This is expressed in St. Paul's letter to the Philippians, where he writes:
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross
this is why islam opposes the trinitarian doctrine, it isnt because it is inherently a wrong belief, it is just misinterpreted and misunderstood by most dumb people who barely grasp it's deeper meaning (even though it's quite basic).
also, I have pointed out many times over, that the term LORD as far as Jesus is concerned, does not mean God. Jesus himself quoted Psalm 110 as a reference regarding himself as the 'lord of David'.
In the first verse, it says 'The Lord (God) says to my lord'
ADONAI/YAHWEH says to My Master/Adoni.
I'm only bringing this up incase you still think 'lord Jesus' means he is God.