Did Jesus burn in hell for three days?

Daciple

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Even before Christ died & resurrected, the OT saints were still saved by faith, and went up to Heaven when they died....for example:

Enoch:
“And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.”......Genesis 5:24 KJB

^^^Compare that with:

“By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”.......Hebrews 11:5 KJB

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“Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?”.....Ecclesiastes 3:21 KJB

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“And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.”..........2 Kings 2:11 KJB


So these are both OT saints—Enoch & Elijah. It clearly says the spirit of man goes UPWARD; Elijah went UP INTO HEAVEN.

How can that be if they supposedly went DOWN into someplace called Abraham’s Bosom or Paradise which are supposedly DOWN in the center of the earth?

What does it say about the Spirit that God gives to man in the Word of God?

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Gen 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Do you believe that man is made of Flesh, Spirit and Soul?

What do you think returns to God, because the Scripture makes it clear that ALL the Spirit returns to God. Clearly Scripture can not be talking about ALL MEN go upward to God correct?

That is because the Spirit spoken of in Ecc and in Gen is what gives man life and not the Soul which is who we are, the Soul went either to Abrahams Bosom or the part of the Grave for the Lost, usually referred to as Hell.

As for Elijah and Enoch here is an article that explains it in more detail than I care to, again believe what you want, but Abrahams Bosom is what Jesus said existed and I will go with that as opposed to your created ideology of it somehow being Heaven and Abraham comforting him or something like that...

https://www.revelation.co/2015/07/24/no-man-hath-ascended-to-heaven-does-john-3-13-contradiction/
 
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The biggest problem that I have with the idea that Jesus went to hell after he died, to pay for our sins, is that it goes against the words that Jesus spoke right before he died.
Christ never went to hell. The Scripture that most misunderstand is in 1Peter 3:18-20. The correct understanding is that Christ (through Noah) preached to those (who at that time) were disobedient while the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah (for them to repent) While the Ark was being prepared. Noah preached the Gospel for a hundred years before the flood. When Christ gave up the His Spirit, He was in paradise for three days.(Luke 23:43)
 

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Still, no mention of Tartarus.
Yes it is. The Greek word In this verse that is translated “hell” is Tartarus vs Gehenna in the verses that Jesus talks about “Hell”. Though he is not really talking about hell but the valley of Hinnom outside the city of Jerusalem.
 
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What does it say about the Spirit that God gives to man in the Word of God?

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Gen 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Do you believe that man is made of Flesh, Spirit and Soul?

What do you think returns to God, because the Scripture makes it clear that ALL the Spirit returns to God. Clearly Scripture can not be talking about ALL MEN go upward to God correct?

That is because the Spirit spoken of in Ecc and in Gen is what gives man life and not the Soul which is who we are, the Soul went either to Abrahams Bosom or the part of the Grave for the Lost, usually referred to as Hell.

As for Elijah and Enoch here is an article that explains it in more detail than I care to, again believe what you want, but Abrahams Bosom is what Jesus said existed and I will go with that as opposed to your created ideology of it somehow being Heaven and Abraham comforting him or something like that...

https://www.revelation.co/2015/07/24/no-man-hath-ascended-to-heaven-does-john-3-13-contradiction/
Jesus never said anyone goes to a place called “Abraham’s Bosom“ !! EVER.

WHERE are you getting this from?!

Certainly not the Bible.

Aside from the passage in Luke about the rich man in Hell & Lazarus in Heaven, this is the ONLY other verse in the Bible where the word “bosom” is applied to Abraham:

And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.”........Genesis 16:5 KJB

“Bosom” means chest.

bos·om | \ ˈbu̇-zəm also ˈbü- \
Definition of bosom (Entry 1 of 3)
1a : the human chest and especially the front part of the chest
hugged the child to his bosom
b : a woman's breasts regarded especially as a single feature
a woman with an ample bosom
also : BREAST
a woman's bosoms


This is consistent throughout ALL 38 mentions of the word “bosom” in the Bible.

Why is that so difficult to understand?
 

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I think everyone is taking this out of context. In the bible the scribes and the Pharasees continuely asked Jesus for miracles to prove he was a messanger from God. After many miracles he says:

Matthew 12:40 “For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

Jesus certainly believed in Jonah and his being swallowed by a great fish (not a whale as some translations say) and said, “For as Jonah became a sign to the people of Nineveh, so will the Son of Man be to this generation” (Luke 11:30).“When the crowds were increasing, he began to say, “This generation is an evil generation. It seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah” (Luke 11:29).

This sign/miracle is that he was buried and was alive as Jonah was for that time period which is a miracle. Read the bible and reflect at the meaning. He was not in Hell, Shoel, puragtory or heaven. He was buried and that is what surprised his disciples, they knew that he was buried to escape persecution but they never expected him to survive being buried.

As Jesus compares himself and his miracle to Jonah you have to understand the miracle is that he did not die as any other person would have if left 3day/nights in the belly of a great fish or the earth.
 

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Yes it is. The Greek word In this verse that is translated “hell” is Tartarus vs Gehenna in the verses that Jesus talks about “Hell”. Though he is not really talking about hell but the valley of Hinnom outside the city of Jerusalem.
Claire doesn't accept the Greek manuscripts as the Bible, apparently.
 

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Jesus never said anyone goes to a place called “Abraham’s Bosom“ !! EVER.

WHERE are you getting this from?!

Certainly not the Bible.
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
 
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And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
You need to compare Scripture with Scripture.

I gave you plenty of verses WITHIN the Bible that explains what a bosom is. I have one, you have one, Abraham had one. And all uses in the Bible define it as chest.
 

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Jesus never said anyone goes to a place called “Abraham’s Bosom“ !! EVER.
You have been quoted the verse multiple times, straight from Jesus mouth, I seriously do no understand why you keep making this statement that Jesus nor the Bible speaks about Abrahams Bosom.

It is your choice to believe or not believe what we have stated concerning Abrahams Bosom but it is being intellectually dishonest and disingenuous to keep saying that Jesus nor the Bible speak about it.

You do not have to agree with our interpretation, that is fine. I obviously do not agree with your interpretation of the verses and events whatsoever. The idea that it is speaking of Heaven and Lazarus is being comforted on the Bosom of Abraham is reading so incredibly much into the Scriptures, that I personally can not accept it as a legit interpretation.

I instead believe what the text state, which lines up with the other Scriptures we have quoted and the actual Greek Holy Spirit Breathed underlying Text.

Again your choice, IDC what you want to believe concerning this, it doesnt affect my or your Salvation so have at it, believe that people went to Heaven before Jesus did, and that Heaven and Hell are right next to each other thats on you...
 
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You have been quoted the verse multiple times, straight from Jesus mouth, I seriously do no understand why you keep making this statement that Jesus nor the Bible speaks about Abrahams Bosom.

It is your choice to believe or not believe what we have stated concerning Abrahams Bosom but it is being intellectually dishonest and disingenuous to keep saying that Jesus nor the Bible speak about it.

You do not have to agree with our interpretation, that is fine. I obviously do not agree with your interpretation of the verses and events whatsoever. The idea that it is speaking of Heaven and Lazarus is being comforted on the Bosom of Abraham is reading so incredibly much into the Scriptures, that I personally can not accept it as a legit interpretation.

I instead believe what the text state, which lines up with the other Scriptures we have quoted and the actual Greek Holy Spirit Breathed underlying Text.

Again your choice, IDC what you want to believe concerning this, it doesnt affect my or your Salvation so have at it, believe that people went to Heaven before Jesus did, and that Heaven and Hell are right next to each other thats on you...
I only find Jesus speaking about “Hell”, NOT “Abraham’s Bosom”.

And Heaven is up, Hell is down in the heart of the earth.
 

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I only find Jesus speaking about “Hell”, NOT “Abraham’s Bosom”.
This is the fourth or fifth time this verse has been quoted to you in response to your claim that "Abraham's bosom" appears nowhere in the Bible. Read the whole passage, please, and then make your case that there is no such thing.

And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
 

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Jesus did not burn in hell at all. The Underworld is a place beneath the Earth's surface which has many levels. Egyptians named it Duat (also known as Tartarus for the Greeks) and Osiris was its ruler.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/through-twelve-chambers-hell-afterlife-ancient-egypt-008228

The lake of fire is simply the lowest level of the Underworld and Jesus never went there. His descent in the Underworld is another parallel with the God Osiris. I know some Christians here do not like that comparison but let's face it there are many Egyptian elements in Christianity. Greek mythology as well (Appolyon, Titans etc.).
 
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I do not subscribe to dispensationalism.
Then you do not subscribe to the Holy Scriptures, for Paul uses the word "stewardship", which means dispensation. A dispensation or stewardship is a period of time that God gives man to deal with the covenants (or test) that He has set before man in a certain way. Man has failed every "Stewardship".... What is the point? Without God, man left to himself is doomed...he needs God. So quit rejecting God's witness of man's nature and making up your own religion. Paul was preaching the Dispensation of the "Gospel" or a Steward of the Truth of the Good News, (1 Cor. 9:16-18) of which, we are in the "Stewardship" also, that has an ending. We are now under the "Stewardship" of Grace, and when it ends, we will be under the "Stewardship" (Dispensation) of The Kingdom (Rev. 20:11-15).
 
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This is the fourth or fifth time this verse has been quoted to you in response to your claim that "Abraham's bosom" appears nowhere in the Bible. Read the whole passage, please, and then make your case that there is no such thing.


And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Read the entire passage.


Luke 16 KJB :
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

^^According to verse 23, the rich man is in Hell. He looks “UP” & sees Abraham & Lazarus (far away) in Heaven. This indicates the rich man is “down”.....makes sense, since Heaven is above; Hell is below.

Abraham is embracing Lazarus, giving him a hug, which explains why Lazarus is in his bosom.....THAT is what the rich man sees when he looks up from Hell.

“Bosom” has ONE Biblical meaning: the frontal chest area.

Abraham’s “bosom” is his CHEST AREA......NOT a geographical location!

This is confirmed in verse 25 when Abraham says Lazarus is “comforted”. Abraham is hugging Lazarus, because Abraham is also in Heaven.

Abraham was saved, as the Bible says his faith was counted as righteousness:

“For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.”......Romans 4:8 KJB

When you hold/embrace a person in your bosom (chest), that means you are hugging them. Hugging is an act of COMFORTING someone, is it not??

When we have a tornado come through (we get about 2-4 annually), we go into this special mini-basement shelter/safe room underground that we access through the floor of the closet beneath our staircase. When my daughter hears them approaching (they are incredibly loud, with a very distinct sound—like a massive freight train, or a roller coaster at top speed) she becomes afraid.

I take her into my bosom to comfort her. That doesn’t mean she is actually climbing into my chest cavity, or that my bosom has detached and become a supernatural holding cell, does it? No, it simply means I am hugging her.

You guys are turning your misunderstanding of Luke 16 into a false doctrine.

You say that Luke 16 was not a parable, and I agree, so why don’t you believe the literal meaning when it says Lazarus was in Abraham’s bosom (Lazarus was hugged by Abraham)?

That is what it means everywhere else in the Bible:

“And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.”....Genesis 16:5 KJB

^^^^If “Abraham’s bosom” is a supernatural place that OT saints went to upon death, please explain how Abraham’s wife sent her maid (Who was ALIVE) to Abraham’s bosom & she got pregnant? How did she return if she (according to your explanation of the purpose of Abraham’s bosom) had to stay there until after Christ died and went down to fetch those who were held there??


“And she arose at midnight, and took my son from beside me, while thine handmaid slept, and laid it in her bosom, and laid her dead child in my bosom.”......1 Kings 3:20 KJB

^^2 baby boys, one dead, one alive, both going to a “bosom”, but clearly NOT “Abraham’s bosom”...does that mean the dead baby went to Hell? Or perhaps the “wrong” bosom??

Can you please expound on this for me, because I thought babies went to Heaven when they die but that one went to a woman’s bosom instead of Abraham’s. Why??

How can ALL these different bosoms exist apart from Abraham’s? Are these all different supernatural holding cells?


“Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.”.....John 13:23 KJB

^^^So here we have John leaning on Jesus bosom. Both are alive.

Taking your theory of Abraham’s bosom being an underground place dead OT saints go to until Jesus fetched them just DOES NOT match up with all the other uses & descriptions of “bosom” in the Bible.

They ALL seem to be speaking of a person’s physical, frontal chest area......in BOTH the NT AND the OT.

Yet you claim out of all the mentions, the one in Luke 16 means something completely different than all the others, even though the other occurrences corroborate one another??

AND add to that the fact that NOWHERE else in the entire Bible is it mentioned that some other realm within the heart of the earth exists a place called “Abraham’s bosom”.

You take the passage in Luke 16 literally ........everywhere EXCEPT the word “bosom”.

It seems much more likely that YOU are misunderstanding Luke 16.

As I said, if you just compare Scripture to Scripture and let the Bible define itself, it is clear as a bell......no need to listen to people who tell you to translate anything into a language you don’t understand, or isolate one verse and create a doctrine contradictory to its meaning, which is consistent everywhere else in the Bible.

Whoever taught you that strange doctrine of Abraham’s bosom was deceived, or a deceiver.

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