BTS discussion thread

[Scars512]

I've been wondering if all the "scandal" talk and alluding to spats behind the scenes might just be part of the script for the next album. Aren't they supposed to be continuing the Jungian theme with "Ego" and "Shadow"? Their image is so carefully controlled that I can't really believe we are getting true glimpses of behind the scenes stuff.

I just feel like we are going to see them address something like we are both genders in one body or sexual fluidity is what happens when the persona/ego/shadow align or some other kind of nonsense. We know they plan stuff out meticulously. And there is no way that they are ramping up the possible "boy love" angle and all the rainbow stuff for no reason. Either someone really is gay and they are coming out soon or they are going to come up with something about everyone being a little bit gay. There has to be an ultimate goal with that.

And the more I think about it, if you take young boys and keep them in isolation for years away from their families and prevent them from having relationships with girls -- don't you think they are pretty starved for affection and maybe that is what drives them to possible relationships with each other rather than a truly innate attraction? They may be a family, but they are a super dysfunctional one. In all honesty, what they are doing to these boys (I say boys, because mentally that is what they still are) seems more like a Nazi science experiment than the entertainment business. For instance, what would happen if, in the dystopian future, children were taken from families and raised by the state? I'm guessing BTS is giving us a pretty good glimpse as to what kind of personalities would develop from that. And it isn't a good thing.

 

[cadiz]

As for bi-sexuality, it is seen as cool -- just look at Halsey, BTS's "girl". She makes out with a girl in a video, but she sure seems to choose only men for relationships. Or Katie Perry's "I Kissed a Girl" song. I don't even believe that bi-sexuality is a real thing. Unless they are just narcissists who think that sex is only about their pleasure and it doesn't matter who gives it to them as long as they get what they want.

talking about Halsey

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1138140521405325314

she must like very feminine men then....this gets pushed everyday all over social media...always the same

 

[Scars512]

talking about Halsey

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1138140521405325314

she must like very feminine men then....this gets pushed everyday all over social media...always the same

So, what is she saying? She is a transgender dude and he is a transgender woman? Or is she saying that she is the boss in that relationship? As equals, would it even matter which one was called boyfriend and which one was called girlfriend? Like most things that come out of Halsey's mouth -- this makes NO sense. She's always identified as a woman. Her last song was all about female empowerment, wasn't it? And, you know, for a "boyfriend" she sure loves to put her boobs on display when she is performing. This world makes no sense to me anymore.

 

[Deadlylady]

That was an error on my part. I made assumptions about how much filtering of content they would do based upon the notion that someone who is devout would care more about that stuff. The fault in that is entirely on me. I should have asked about it instead of just assuming. Our values seemed pretty much aligned (except when it came to the media stuff, obviously) and they are nice people so I didn't ask what their policies were. I should have done that. My neighbors across the street are very strict Christians who homeschool and the dad is a dentist so they also don't allow any candy. I always asked if certain shows or movies or snacks were okay before I let their kids watch/eat something. I think even if you think something is no big deal, the parents should get to say if it is okay or not. It is surprising how many parents don't even consider that they might need parent's approval for something.

There has been an academic at Brown recently who was looking into the drastic and sudden rise of transgenderism in kids (especially girls) and she has stated that there appears to be social contagion factor. She called it "rapid-onset gender dysphoria". Of course, that study was pulled after outcry about it. So, no one is free to look at the possibility that this type of glorifying transgenderism may be causing kids to become confused. And the recent push for confirming treatment (and the effort to halt any other types of treatment like therapy or watchful waiting) is going to lead to a lot of kids growing up to be men and women who find themselves (once past the suggestible ages of puberty) with permanent disfiguration and likely sterilization. It is just a sad thing all around.

As for bi-sexuality, it is seen as cool -- just look at Halsey, BTS's "girl". She makes out with a girl in a video, but she sure seems to choose only men for relationships. Or Katie Perry's "I Kissed a Girl" song. I don't even believe that bi-sexuality is a real thing. Unless they are just narcissists who think that sex is only about their pleasure and it doesn't matter who gives it to them as long as they get what they want.

It looks like for actors and entertainers nowdays to be able to advance in their careers, do bigger things they have to come out as bi, gay etc. I think its just to make "the people" happy and push the agenda. They do eveything for money and fame anyways so acting like that is not a big issue. And guys were already putting on women clothes in movies ways before. I remember dave chapelle talking about this stuff way before. During one movie shooting they told him to wear woman clothes and he refused. Later he quit hollyweird altogether.

 

[Truthteller]

I've been wondering if all the "scandal" talk and alluding to spats behind the scenes might just be part of the script for the next album. Aren't they supposed to be continuing the Jungian theme with "Ego" and "Shadow"? Their image is so carefully controlled that I can't really believe we are getting true glimpses of behind the scenes stuff.

I just feel like we are going to see them address something like we are both genders in one body or sexual fluidity is what happens when the persona/ego/shadow align or some other kind of nonsense. We know they plan stuff out meticulously. And there is no way that they are ramping up the possible "boy love" angle and all the rainbow stuff for no reason. Either someone really is gay and they are coming out soon or they are going to come up with something about everyone being a little bit gay. There has to be an ultimate goal with that.

And the more I think about it, if you take young boys and keep them in isolation for years away from their families and prevent them from having relationships with girls -- don't you think they are pretty starved for affection and maybe that is what drives them to possible relationships with each other rather than a truly innate attraction? They may be a family, but they are a super dysfunctional one. In all honesty, what they are doing to these boys (I say boys, because mentally that is what they still are) seems more like a Nazi science experiment than the entertainment business. For instance, what would happen if, in the dystopian future, children were taken from families and raised by the state? I'm guessing BTS is giving us a pretty good glimpse as to what kind of personalities would develop from that. And it isn't a good thing.

Ok i live in a very lgbt friendly country, i even have had openly gay teachers in high school. I can tell you that I know (not friends with) at least 20 lgbt people. I had/have a classmate, a girl whom I got know pretty well because we were in the same group one term. We got along relatively well. When I first got to know her she was a typical girly girl and even had a boyfriend. Over time she became more and more of a social justice warrior and started to cut her hair short dying it purple, blue and green colors (typical ) and started dating girls. Her closest friend was this gay guy in the class (of 150 people). So i thought oh great now she is a lesbian. Even worse, I was shook when she told me she is dating one of my previous classmates from high school. I had no idea that girl too was lesbian (was very smart, artistic and normal). While she was telling me all of this she said she is tired of dating and hooking up with guys and wants a woman for something serious. I guess i looked shocked because she went on to explain that she is bisexual. That made me realize that she is indeed is bisexual but seems to prefer women for serious relationhips, because she ended up dating my ex classmate for a good 2 years. Have no idea if they are still togther. She really wanted to be friends with me and was super nice, and constantly invited me to hangout, I came up with an excuse every time, but wanted to stay on friendly terms because we were in the same group and it was a critical for me to show good team work for grades. After the fifth invitation I said I would go to her goodbye lunch out of courtesy. While there she had some other friends over most were normal folks. But there was also this gay couple two dudes who looked like twinks. Then started showing some PDA, nothing serious just typical couple stuff, and I kinda felt grossed out. I knew gay people but it is another thing when you see them acting sexual/lovey dovey in front of you. Thank god they were not two hairy ass men because then I would have puked. I excused myself and left early. Needless to say I am glad I did not attend her other events and cut contact as soon as that term was over.

Side note: When I say BTS maknae line are gay not bisexual, I have real life experience with these things (unfortunately). The expression of bisexuality in men and women is quite different though.

 

[Chic]

The entire industry is lumped together, but I tend to think the Kore@n industry/kpop is worst. Why? Because it's presented in a such a way that seems innocent on the surface: "clean" lyrics all the while in the performances and music videos they're much more suggestive. It comes off as being harmless and pure but it's actually just as bad.

 

[cadiz]

The entire industry is lumped together, but I tend to think the Kore@n industry/kpop is worst. Why? Because it's presented in a such a way that seems innocent on the surface: "clean" lyrics all the while in the performances and music videos they're much more suggestive. It comes off as being harmless and pure but it's actually just as bad.

Very true...and what most confuses me about kpop is the love they have for "cute" stuff
They love when girls and boys act like kids and they feel atraction for it...you see the group Twice? they literally act like children....and thats why they are so popular with korean men

This is a big reason why Jimin is the most popular in Korea too, he likes to act like a child and fangirls love it....this type of things are very popular in Japan too.....Its something about their culture that makes me very disturbed

BTS promotes this too as you see them here telling Jimin to sleep on a crib....but he is 25 years old

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1125828660215201792

 

[Truthteller]

The only time I had to witness the lgbt+ action was in school when I walked in on my classmates,two guys making out during lunchbreak,in the classroom.Needless to say,I was shocked.That was the first time I realised that lgbt+ agenda is closer than I imagined.One of those guys was the crush for almost all the girls in the year,including my best friend.I never took a liking for him.Maybe,my gaydar was strong.I tried to tell my friend what I saw but,she said that I was mistaken.And the next day,I ran into the guys in action,again,this time at some other place.They remained oblivious to my presence.I didn't tell anyone this time as everyone already chose to believe that he is straight. The girls kept fawning over him until the last day of the school,much to my amusement.
Anyway,recently heard that the guy got engaged in college,to a girl and the news brought back that memory.Guess,he is a bi.

Sorry,for derailing the thread a bit.I just wanted to add my experience with lgbt+ people.

I,too think that bt5 is more on lgbt+ side than on straight side.And in busan,where they went to perform yesterday or today,the authorities lit five important landmarks in purple.It seems purple is not only associated with tea but also the whole bt5.And in lgbt+ parlance,purple represents bi ,because purple is a mix of pink(girl) and blue(boy).Just saying.

Or a closet case. Either way poor his wife, he will continue doing this behind her back, because if you enjoy these things with men a woman won’t suffice for you. In fact the woman might be there for traditional family to shut your parents up while you keep having secret rendevouz with men. Honestly gay men >> bisexual men. At least it is clear what team the are on.

 

[Chic]

And the more I think about it, if you take young boys and keep them in isolation for years away from their families and prevent them from having relationships with girls -- don't you think they are pretty starved for affection and maybe that is what drives them to possible relationships with each other rather than a truly innate attraction? .

Believe me when I say I literally thought about this just the other day and forgot to bring it up here during the discussion of shipping. I honestly believe this is the case, especially with the maknae line. They may very well not be "gay" in the sense we know it as. But they think they are because of limited access and having started out so young. If they're living together, spending majority of their time together, it's like being in prison. And well...we all know what goes on in prison if inmates aren't allowed conjugal visits. Don't get me wrong, now, I think they have access to whatever may be their preference. At the same time, they may have a propensity to lean more towards same sex if that's what they are used to.

Just saying.

 

[Brea]

The entire industry is lumped together, but I tend to think the Kore@n industry/kpop is worst. Why? Because it's presented in a such a way that seems innocent on the surface: "clean" lyrics all the while in the performances and music videos they're much more suggestive. It comes off as being harmless and pure but it's actually just as bad.

I totally agree with you. Koreans are known to be adorable and "innocent" and what not. Lots of people think all they do is eat strawberry shortcake and play with stuffed animals and watch anime, and be all "cuddly cuddly" 24/7. Um, last time I checked no one in this world is innocent. You have the most adorable kid ever, and that kid can murder another kid. I mean satan can appear as an angel of light but we all know what he REALLY comes to do.

So yeah, you're right. Koreans are VERY popular because of their looks basically. These people can easily manipulate ANYONE. K-pop has been blowing up now and days. I'm getting a headache just thinking about 'em.

 

[Chic]

I totally agree with you. Koreans are known to be adorable and "innocent" and what not. Lots of people think all they do is eat strawberry shortcake and play with stuffed animals and watch anime, and be all "cuddly cuddly" 24/7. Um, last time I checked no one in this world is innocent. You have the most adorable kid ever, and that kid can murder another kid. I mean satan can appear as an angel of light but we all know what he REALLY comes to do.

So yeah, you're right. Koreans are VERY popular because of their looks basically. These people can easily manipulate ANYONE. K-pop has been blowing up now and days. I'm getting a headache just thinking about 'em.

I just think there is something very wrong when after watching so many Kdramas, wanting to learn the language suddenly, listening only to Kpop music, and deciding that you want to abruptly move to Korea is a problem, lol. The addiction and obsession is SO real. I don't see it happening nearly as much for any other Asian country tbh, including Japan. Then again I don't follow Japanese related entertainment enough to know.

Now, I like me a good Kdrama just as much as the next person. But I've seen what real Korean men look like and they're not so glamorous! I'll be damned if I travel across the way to meet an oppa. I'll stay my butt right where I am. But people do this and I'm always miffed by it.

 

[Truthteller]

Believe me when I say I literally thought about this just the other day and forgot to bring it up here during the discussion of shipping. I honestly believe this is the case, especially with the maknae line. They may very well not be "gay" in the sense we know it as. But they think they are because of limited access and having started out so young. If they're living together, spending majority of their time together, it's like being in prison. And well...we all know what goes on in prison if inmates aren't allowed conjugal visits. Don't get me wrong, now, I think they have access to whatever may be their preference. At the same time, they may have a propensity to lean more towards same sex if that's what they are used to.

Just saying.

Namjoon was younger than both TH and Jimin when he joined Bigshit. And they never had limited access, they went to school with tons of girls. The idea that they haven’t had access to women these past years after shooting to fame is just very very hard to digest. Jimin
Jimin’s high school friends , includes girls.

Same with V

Needless to say, same with Jk, they showed all these girls at his school. Although he didn’t get the chance to attend as much as V and Jm, but if he was interested he could have grabbed the opportunity. He even had a gf in middle school but said that he had no interest in her. Oh yeah didn’t V say he and Jk would try to touch as many girls as possible as a game predebut? Clearly the girls have been there all along.

 

[Chic]

Namjoon was younger than both TH and Jimin when he joined Bigshit. And they never had limited access, they went to school with tons of girls. The idea that they haven’t had access to women these past years after shotting to fame is just very very hard to digest.

I agree and basically said the same thing in my post. To put it frankly, I highly doubt they were bussin down their classmates when they were younger, lol. NJ might have since he thought he could make a song like Expensive Girl, but that maknae line? I doubt it.

 

[cadiz]

Why is there a baby crib anyway?

no idea....I just saw this tweet long ago and I remembered now that we are discussing this topic.
Because I felt very disturbed when I saw that tweet........as I always do with Jimin and his pedo loving fans

 

[cadiz]

I agree and basically said the same thing in my post. To put it frankly, I highly doubt they were bussin down their classmates when they were younger, lol. NJ might have since he thought he could make a song like Expensive Girl, but that maknae line? I doubt it.

but JK did have rumors with a girl predebut tho
also that video of him and the staff??

And Jimin had a girlfriend predebut too
You can see them holding hands here

so they did have contact with women in the past....whatever their sexuality might be now (after all they did to get here)

 

[Chic]

That was an error on my part. I made assumptions about how much filtering of content they would do based upon the notion that someone who is devout would care more about that stuff. The fault in that is entirely on me. I should have asked about it instead of just assuming. Our values seemed pretty much aligned (except when it came to the media stuff, obviously) and they are nice people so I didn't ask what their policies were. I should have done that. My neighbors across the street are very strict Christians who homeschool and the dad is a dentist so they also don't allow any candy. I always asked if certain shows or movies or snacks were okay before I let their kids watch/eat something. I think even if you think something is no big deal, the parents should get to say if it is okay or not. It is surprising how many parents don't even consider that they might need parent's approval for something.

There has been an academic at Brown recently who was looking into the drastic and sudden rise of transgenderism in kids (especially girls) and she has stated that there appears to be social contagion factor. She called it "rapid-onset gender dysphoria". Of course, that study was pulled after outcry about it. So, no one is free to look at the possibility that this type of glorifying transgenderism may be causing kids to become confused. And the recent push for confirming treatment (and the effort to halt any other types of treatment like therapy or watchful waiting) is going to lead to a lot of kids growing up to be men and women who find themselves (once past the suggestible ages of puberty) with permanent disfiguration and likely sterilization. It is just a sad thing all around.

As for bi-sexuality, it is seen as cool -- just look at Halsey, BTS's "girl". She makes out with a girl in a video, but she sure seems to choose only men for relationships. Or Katie Perry's "I Kissed a Girl" song. I don't even believe that bi-sexuality is a real thing. Unless they are just narcissists who think that sex is only about their pleasure and it doesn't matter who gives it to them as long as they get what they want.

That study would have potentially debunked and refuted the "born this way" argument. Of course they had to put a stop to it.

 

[Chic]

but JK did have rumors with a girl predebut tho
also that video of him and the staff??

And Jimin had a girlfriend predebut too
You can see them holding hands here

so they did have contact with women in the past....whatever their sexuality might be now (after all they did to get here)

I also recall rumors of JK being with an older woman. I recall rumors of JM having a Japanese girlfriend too. Whether they grew up around females is one thing. Who they actually develop healthy relationships with is another. I still believe they have explored with each other; the signs they give off says so.

And this is too much like ship talk, so I will refrain from commenting further about their sexuality since I don't know. I just wanted to say that I thought the same thing @Scars512 did.

Edit: I remember that video as well. He looked like he got caught when he noticed the camera and she got up so quickly, lol.

 

[wow]

theres this rumour back in 2017, the maknae line is flirting with rookie girl groups, and jimin is involved much more than the other 2, he tried to flirt with s0mi, an underage 1O1 member, and tw1ce knows about this because they were friends and one of the member, je0ngy0n, dislikes jimin a lot after that, you can tell in their facial expressions whenever they are put together in a show or awards, je0ngye0n shows the most hate. and also a lot seems to despise the maknae line because they treat girls like that, and theres also rumours that redv3lv3t ir3ne is dating th because he is shown flirting with her back when they werent famous, i guess it was 2014/2015? thats why i think theyre bisexuals, but their alters could be gay tho (or bisexual), and maybe they lean more to men than women, but i doubt they dont want a contact with women since they are open to any types of gender in terms of sexual contacts. and the whole purple thing going on in bts, and how th said purple is the color of love, its obvious he is bisexual since purple = bisexual flag (red+blue=purple).

also, out of all the members, nj and th has the most hints of them being on lgbtq+.

 

[Chic]

theres this rumour back in 2017, the maknae line is flirting with rookie girl groups, and jimin is involved much more than the other 2, he tried to flirt with s0mi, an underage 1O1 member, and tw1ce knows about this because they were friends and one of the member, je0ngy0n, dislikes jimin a lot after that, you can tell in their facial expressions whenever they are put together in a show or awards, je0ngye0n shows the most hate. and also a lot seems to despise the maknae line because they treat girls like that, and theres also rumours that redv3lv3t ir3ne is dating th because he is shown flirting with her back when they werent famous, i guess it was 2014/2015? thats why i think theyre bisexuals, but their alters could be gay tho (or bisexual), and maybe theyre lean more to men than women, but i doubt they dont want a contact with women since they are open to any types of gender. and the whole purple thing going on in bts, and how th said purple is the color of love, its obvious he is bisexual since purple = bisexual flag (red+blue=purple).

also, out of all the members, nj and th has the most hints of them being on lgbtq+.

To add to that there was speculation that the reason for the falling out between TH and JK was over a girl (2015/2016); so there's that. Rumors are just that though: rumors.


"thats why i think theyre bisexuals, but their alters could be gay tho (or bisexual), and maybe theyre lean more to men than women,"

^I think so. And darn it I said I was going to refrain, lol.

 

[Deadlylady]

Very true...and what most confuses me about kpop is the love they have for "cute" stuff
They love when girls and boys act like kids and they feel atraction for it...you see the group Twice? they literally act like children....and thats why they are so popular with korean men

This is a big reason why Jimin is the most popular in Korea too, he likes to act like a child and fangirls love it....this type of things are very popular in Japan too.....Its something about their culture that makes me very disturbed

BTS promotes this too as you see them here telling Jimin to sleep on a crib....but he is 25 years old

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1125828660215201792

This is a joke that he is the shortest and skinny. People his age have babies. A regular guy would of beat up that guy for saying that. We get mad at guys acting like that but I never though I would be missing that lol.






I guess this is new. They were talking about the toys not having genders. But now they are mermaids?

but JK did have rumors with a girl predebut tho
also that video of him and the staff??

And Jimin had a girlfriend predebut too
You can see them holding hands here

so they did have contact with women in the past....whatever their sexuality might be now (after all they did to get here)

Whatever they are doing right now I hope for their sake they stop it and get back in the right path soon. Jamal tends to laugh easily at a lot of things. Which I feel is due to some psychological issues. Its looks like he has an eating disorder and other baggages too. I've seen a lot of videos him acting crazy bending down showing his behind. Sending love with his behind. Trying to kiss hug etc other members since day one. Even for a lot of money there isn't a lot of guys ready to do that stuff.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1138542932485705728

An american host asked them before who will marry first. They were shocked at the question first and then they all said kook for some reason maybe he is the only member that has with somekind of liking toward women.

And the only kpop members I hear getting married at the ones from hiphop style groups for some reason.

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/06/block-bs-u-kwon-says-he-plans-to-marry-girlfriend-of-8-years