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Facts are facts. If you are too sensitive or delusional to accept that, that's your problem. Yes it's not the children's fault that they can't make their decisions but the parents can. And those children didn't choose their parents either. But fact is that not being vaccinated makes a person, a murder weapon.
Not really manama, you're then saying that everyone has bad immune systems so we are all doomed to die because of a few unvaxxinated people hmmmmm
 

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I've said that 2 years ago in this forum as well. Please stop acting like you're possessed I can't handle the cringe of adults acting like morons.
I hate demons and I love God so I can't be possessed. I couldn't help but express my happiness. Sorry if it offended you but an acknowledgement coming from you was quite surprising. :) Sorry you don't like happiness.
 

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There you said it yourself you HATE the parents, that speaks Volumes. I don't hate ANY parent whether they vaxxinate their kids or not.

It must be horrible to be worrying so much about death and viruses and the unvaxxinated, your stress levels must be through the roof. I trust in God that he will eradicate disease and death one say so I am not sick with worry and my life is a lot happier :)
Yes unlike you I don't love murderers. Especially when they are killing their own children. And yes my stress levels ARE through the roof because while you sit on your chair and spout your stupid bs and sing in your ignorant bubble. I have to be there and see children die or be permanently paralyzed because the parents didn't give them polio vaccines. Unless you've worked with children and seen what not getting vaccines does, ofcourse you'll talk about peace and whatever bs.
 

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Yes unlike you I don't love murderers. Especially when they are killing their own children. And yes my stress levels ARE through the roof because while you sit on your chair and spout your stupid bs and sing in your ignorant bubble. I have to be there and see children die or be permanently paralyzed because the parents didn't give them polio vaccines. Unless you've worked with children and seen what not getting vaccines does, ofcourse you'll talk about peace and whatever bs.
I know many parents that have not vaxxinated their kids and some unvaxxinated adults and they hardly ever got sick or came down with a serious illness. On the other hand I know fully vaxxinated kids that have runny noses a lot of the time, get ear infections and colds quite often. I know vaxxinated kids that haven't gotten adverse reactions but that have ADHD, bipolar and schizophrenia.
 

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It's always the same story, people come to us and we talk about vaccines. People say no blah blah vaccines are evil and end up leaving. Then they come back in days or weeks with a dead child or a paralyzed one.
 

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I know many parents that have not vaxxinated their kids and some unvaxxinated adults and they hardly ever got sick or came down with a serious illness. On the other hand I know fully vaxxinated kids that have runny noses a lot of the time, get ear infections and colds quite often. I know vaxxinated kids that haven't gotten adverse reactions but that have ADHD, bipolar and schizophrenia.
Last three have nothing to do with vaccinations, those are not viral diseases but mental disorders. And just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it's not happening.
 
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Cadbury did this too. But according to you it's alright because God's law or Bible has nowhere saying that giving people aids is a sin.
No, it is not alright according to me and God's Law in the Bible does say that giving people aids is a sin (murder).

You are showing some really troubling signs through the comments you are making so it might be a good idea to stop.
 

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No, it is not alright according to me and God's Law in the Bible does say that giving people aids is a sin (murder).

You are showing some really troubling signs through the comments you are making so it might be a good idea to stop.
So giving people a disease is a sin but letting a person get a disease and doing nothing to prevent that, is not?
Also you still haven't mentioned which field of science are you educated in nor have you given the link to the study you were talking about.
 
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So giving people a disease is a sin but letting a person get a disease and doing nothing to prevent that, is not?
It's not a sin if you are doing the right things to naturally help them prevent it. So how do you know what is a good and right way to help others prevent disease and what is not?

For starters, a good and right thing will not be coming with unnecessary risks and it will not require that you have to force it on others.

So, you should aim for learning more about such methods instead that can help people be more healthy and without exposing them to unnecessary risks and a pandora's box of unknowns.

P.S. Many diseases can be prevented also just through basic hygiene, etc.
Also you still haven't mentioned which field of science are you educated in nor have you given the link to the study you were talking about.
I have not mentioned it as its not relevant to the discussion we are having. If I did then you will likely just have tried to say that since it's not in the medical field, that you know better because your area of study is. So what would have been the point? But in any case, since you insist I studied for and then worked in a field of engineering. It also included doing research work in lab settings. But I have since then moved on to other interests.
 
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I know that this is going against everything they are teaching you in school so naturally you will try to defend what you have been taught. But please try to think about what you have been shown and have read by people here as well. Everything in life happens for a reason and that includes all of us having come here as well. I hope you will one day be able to see that it's not an attack on you personally. If there is one thing that no body likes to do, because it is difficult, then that is to admit (to themselves, mostly) that they have been wrong. But the truth is, we all go through life and we all make mistakes. We all go through periods of time believing in things that then end up being either completely wrong or flawed and not quite what we thought they were. It's difficult to admit it and as people we also struggle with things like pride and feel the need to "save face". That makes it even harder for people to admit when they were wrong because they think others will judge them for this and yes, some of them will do that even though they too have exactly the same problem! If you are sincerely wanting to help people as it appears that you are wanting to do then you need to ask God for guidance on all of it. That is really the only way to go forward and the only way you will be able to really learn what you can do best to help others. It's tough and it's not nice giving people bad news but this is the world we are all living in and if we want it to be a better world then we have no other option but to start in the place where we are, wherever that place may be. You don't have to be one of those people who just get swept along if you don't want to be. We are not alone here and there is help available from the unseen to all those who seek and ask for this in sincerity and in good will. Life is about choices so don't let others make all of yours for you. Just by becoming more aware, even if you don't know what is what yet, you will be receiving your Guidance and God will help you and lead you in the right direction through whatever situations you have to go through as long as you ask Him to. Remember He is the Best of Guides so it's best (and logical) to practice putting your trust in Him and He will lead you like no one else can, peace be upon you, bible student.
 

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Really? Cadbury knowingly injected people with aids infected blood? Or what did you mean, exactly?
Yep something along those lines.

I know that this is going against everything they are teaching you in school so naturally you will try to defend what you have been taught. But please try to think about what you have been shown and have read by people here as well. Everything in life happens for a reason and that includes all of us having come here as well. I hope you will one day be able to see that it's not an attack on you personally. If there is one thing that no body likes to do, because it is difficult, then that is to admit (to themselves, mostly) that they have been wrong. But the truth is, we all go through life and we all make mistakes. We all go through periods of time believing in things that then end up being either completely wrong or flawed and not quite what we thought they were. It's difficult to admit it and as people we also struggle with things like pride and feel the need to "save face". That makes it even harder for people to admit when they were wrong because they think others will judge them for this and yes, some of them will do that even though they too have exactly the same problem! If you are sincerely wanting to help people as it appears that you are wanting to do then you need to ask God for guidance on all of it. That is really the only way to go forward and the only way you will be able to really learn what you can do best to help others. It's tough and it's not nice giving people bad news but this is the world we are all living in and if we want it to be a better world then we have no other option but to start in the place where we are, wherever that place may be. You don't have to be one of those people who just get swept along if you don't want to be. We are not alone here and there is help available from the unseen to all those who seek and ask for this in sincerity and in good will. Life is about choices so don't let others make all of yours for you. Just by becoming more aware, even if you don't know what is what yet, you will be receiving your Guidance and God will help you and lead you in the right direction through whatever situations you have to go through as long as you ask Him to. Remember He is the Best of Guides so it's best (and logical) to practice putting your trust in Him and He will lead you like no one else can, peace be upon you, bible student.
Why do you keep avoiding the questions? And it's not about school or whatever at all. I've seen dead children and I've seen those who are permanently paralyzed and I've studied and I know the reasons behind it. I have a disabled cousin because my aunt was antivaxx, her views changed after that and she did vaccinate the children she had after that. But the eldest won't have her legs back.


It's about facts. I'm not the one who holds my professors to being 100% correct, I've never mentioned any. You are the one taking your priest or whatever to be above all else. Provide a source for your claims WHERE is the study you kept mentioning?
 
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Yep something along those lines.
It says the Cadbury's one is a hoax and it only claims one crazy guy supposedly did this. Although it could have happened, even if he did, then the cholcolate process would have ended up cooking it and people eating it would not get HIV. Whereas the one I shared about Bayer was admitted and confirmed. So, it's not really comparing apples with apples. You have to admit, what Bayer did knowingly is a horrible crime. It killed thousands of children and probably nobody knows how many it really was, as it is intended, because it's "them" or their agents carrying out such operations that they then just claim was a "mistake", if/when it becomes known. They want to depopulate the planet and this is part of how they do it. The "mistake" with Gardasil was much too big to have been just a random screw up. Something like that would never happen by "mistake" and make it out the door of an honest situation. In all likelihood "they" (people behind it) then just had to decide on what to do so they said lets dilute the stuff and give it another name, that way we keep making money, because turns out its too poisonous and is killing people too fast and causing them to take notice and pointing the finger back at us! Or something similar.

Which is basically what the people at Bayer did too. Once it came out that they KNEW about it being infected with HIV and they could not dump it on the US population, they dumped it on foreign nations. Making a profit was in the end what was the ultimate aim as this proves.Corporations have to keep the investors happy and the only way that happens is when they make profits. If they don't, then the shareholders sell their stock and buy some from another company. But corporations are faceless, so the actual people can't be brought to justice since they are able to hide behind the corporation entity.

It is totally evil and utterly criminal and everyone knows what should have happened to them for what they did. But instead of prosecuting them, almost everyone just looked the other way.

Why do you keep avoiding the questions?
I did finally answer as you had insisted.
And it's not about school or whatever at all. I've seen dead children and I've seen those who are permanently paralyzed and I've studied and I know the reasons behind it. I have a disabled cousin because my aunt was antivaxx, her views changed after that and she did vaccinate the children she had after that. But the eldest won't have her legs back.
Understood. Can you know for sure though, that it happened because of not being vaccinated? Not everyone is born healthy and there are reasons for this too. She may be better off that way, even if you are not currently able to understand it. She and those around her may need to learn a spiritual lesson from this experience and so she was placed in that specific body for a specific reason. It may sound harsh but it is not. Try to remember that God knows everything and He does not make mistakes. Everything is planned in exact and minute detail before it happens. We are the ones that make mistakes though and we have to learn to trust God.
It's about facts. I'm not the one who holds my professors to being 100% correct, I've never mentioned any.
Good. Glad to hear it.
You are the one taking your priest or whatever to be above all else. Provide a source for your claims WHERE is the study you kept mentioning?
I posted the article which mentions it. I don't have a source for the study if it is not in the article, but I also told you about the two guys I knew who never had any vaccinations or antibiotics and what they were like.
 
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Maybe another idea could be to start a new thread in the health section that would be about natural methods, healthy nutrition, etc. where anyone can share knowledge of how to support and strengthen the body's immune system? For anyone whether they believe in getting vaccines or not getting them. Surely that could be of benefit to all. I can already think of one thing I might share about in such a thread - Wim Hof's method. It is simple and anyone can do it. It's a method he found/was shown that dramatically increases oxygen levels in every cell of the body by deep breathing followed by gradual, controlled exposure of the body to cold and many people are finding they can heal diseases this way and completely get off meds and experience new vitality, plus it teaches you not to fear the cold.
 

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It says the Cadbury's one is a hoax and it only claims one crazy guy supposedly did this. Although it could have happened, even if he did, then the cholcolate process would have ended up cooking it and people eating it would not get HIV. Whereas the one I shared about Bayer was admitted and confirmed. So, it's not really comparing apples with apples. You have to admit, what Bayer did knowingly is a horrible crime. It killed thousands of children and probably nobody knows how many it really was, as it is intended, because it's "them" or their agents carrying out such operations that they then just claim was a "mistake", if/when it becomes known. They want to depopulate the planet and this is part of how they do it. The "mistake" with Gardasil was much too big to have been just a random screw up. Something like that would never happen by "mistake" and make it out the door of an honest situation. In all likelihood "they" (people behind it) then just had to decide on what to do so they said lets dilute the stuff and give it another name, that way we keep making money, because turns out its too poisonous and is killing people too fast and causing them to take notice and pointing the finger back at us! Or something similar.

Which is basically what the people at Bayer did too. Once it came out that they KNEW about it being infected with HIV and they could not dump it on the US population, they dumped it on foreign nations. Making a profit was in the end what was the ultimate aim as this proves.Corporations have to keep the investors happy and the only way that happens is when they make profits. If they don't, then the shareholders sell their stock and buy some from another company. But corporations are faceless, so the actual people can't be brought to justice since they are able to hide behind the corporation entity.

It is totally evil and utterly criminal and everyone knows what should have happened to them for what they did. But instead of prosecuting them, almost everyone just looked the other way.


I did finally answer as you had insisted.

Understood. Can you know for sure though, that it happened because of not being vaccinated? Not everyone is born healthy and there are reasons for this too. She may be better off that way, even if you are not currently able to understand it. She and those around her may need to learn a spiritual lesson from this experience and so she was placed in that specific body for a specific reason. It may sound harsh but it is not. Try to remember that God knows everything and He does not make mistakes. Everything is planned in exact and minute detail before it happens. We are the ones that make mistakes though and we have to learn to trust God.

Good. Glad to hear it.

I posted the article which mentions it. I don't have a source for the study if it is not in the article, but I also told you about the two guys I knew who never had any vaccinations or antibiotics and what they were like.
You said study, the article did not contain the study and no you dd not mention which scientific field you belong too. And yes Bayer is known to be the umbrella corporation. Nobody has ever denied that.
 

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Maybe another idea could be to start a new thread in the health section that would be about natural methods, healthy nutrition, etc. where anyone can share knowledge of how to support and strengthen the body's immune system? For anyone whether they believe in getting vaccines or not getting them. Surely that could be of benefit to all. I can already think of one thing I might share about in such a thread - Wim Hof's method. It is simple and anyone can do it. It's a method he found/was shown that dramatically increases oxygen levels in every cell of the body by deep breathing followed by gradual, controlled exposure of the body to cold and many people are finding they can heal diseases this way and completely get off meds and experience new vitality, plus it teaches you not to fear the cold.
Threads about natural methods etc already exist. It's not a new idea like this one was not. Go talk in the threads that are already made.
 

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Again its not about the field being relevant to the thread. You kept mentioning your scientific background, you should tell which science is it. But okay fine, we will let that go because you've admitted that it was nothing to do with biology which makes you not qualified to talk about that.

Where is the link to the study?
 
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Again its not about the field being relevant to the thread. You kept mentioning your scientific background, you should tell which science is it. But okay fine, we will let that go because you've admitted that it was nothing to do with biology which makes you not qualified to talk about that.
I did have biotech as a subject.

Where is the link to the study?
Here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3933652/

PLoS One. 2014; 9(2): e89829.

Published online 2014 Feb 24. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0089829

PMCID: PMC3933652

PMID: 24587066

Adverse Drug Reactions of Spontaneous Reports in Shanghai Pediatric Population
Hui Li,# 1 Xiao-Jing Guo,# 1 Xiao-Fei Ye,# 1 Hong Jiang,# 1 , 2 Wen-Min Du, 3 Jin-Fang Xu, 1Xin-Ji Zhang, 1 and Jia He 1 , *

Malcolm Gracie Semple, Editor

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This article has been cited by other articles in PMC.

Abstract
Background
Knowledge of drug safety in the pediatric population of China is limited. This study was designed to evaluate ADRs in children reported to the spontaneous reporting system (SRS) of Shanghai in 2009.

Methodology and Principal Findings
Crude ADR reports submitted to Shanghai SRS in 2009 for individuals aged from birth to 17 years (including 17 years) were included. Data were analyzed with respect to age, gender, category of ADR (System Organ Class [SOC]), the severity of reports and type of reporter.

Results
A male overrepresentation was observed regarding the total number of reports. The most frequently reported group of drugs were vaccines (42.15%). Skin rash and fever were the commonest symptoms reported in the total pediatric dataset. The proportion of children that suffered from a serious ADR was 2.16% and that for drug related deaths was 0.34%. And we found that the multiple drug exposure experienced a high proportion of serious ADRs compared with the single drug use (χ2 = 15.99, P<0.0001). Sixty-five percent of ADRs were for children less than 6 years of age. And more than half of reports were from doctors.

Conclusions
In our study, consumers were more likely to report new ADRs though they appear to contribute a relatively small percentage of total reports. We propose that patients would take an active role in reporting ADRs. More researches are needed in order to achieve better understanding the characteristics of ADRs in pediatric population of China."
 
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42% of Drug Reactions Are Vaccine Related, Groundbreaking Chinese Study Finds

"A groundbreaking new drug safety study published in the open access journal PLoS and titled, "Adverse Drug Reactions of Spontaneous Reports in Shanghai Pediatric Population," has revealed for the first that that 42.5% of all reported adverse drug reactions occurring in 2009 in a Chinese pediatric population (Shanghai, pop of 17 mil) were caused by vaccines, with reactions as severe as anaphylaxis and death.

The report carries unique gravitas insofar as the data was gathered through spontaneous reports of physicians (52.03%), pharmacists (24.27%) and other health care practitioners (15.46%), with only 2.52% coming from 'consumers.' Presumably, the clinical training of those reporting gives the study additional credibility."

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/42-drug-reactions-are-vaccine-related-groundbreaking-chinese-study-finds
 
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