Suicide & Euthanasia

[VigCizMember]

I wanted to create this thread because on the new abortion thread people invoked it as 'slippery-slope' argument against it.

First I want to ask this question of Christians on the board, if you are saved under your definition, what happens to people who commit suicide? I know the RCC is against it and believes that its an automatic ticket to hell. I'm not wholly sure on how other groups approach the topic as the fundamentalist church I was raised in didn't go into suicide and salvation (too uncomfortable) but I do know they oppose Euthanasia due to the Terri Schiavo incident and how they responded to it

Actually I am interested in what any other practitioner of religion has to say about suicide.

I support Euthanasia. If I am diagnosed with a terminal illness I should have the right to exit without suffering. If I ever get diagnosed with Alzheimer's, I will kill myself one way or the other, and I would hope that I could do it professionally.

Now of course the government or some other body should not be able make that call for you. This is entirely an individual right, I want to make that clear. This would absolutely have to be codified and protected that only you or your selected representatives can make that decision. This would also only apply for terminal illness. Not for depression or anything like that, and you should have to have a screening to make sure you are in your right mind.


Thank you in advance for any responses.

RCC does not teach it's an automatic ticket to hell. If a Person Commits Suicide, Is He Automatically Lost?

 

[yannick]

an overcomer ≠ someone who ends up giving up.

Typo here with the first letter which should have been "A". Just sayin'.

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[Vixy]

I'm in this position now, actually.

I am diagnosed with an illness meaning my quality of life will continue to be what it's been so far, which is hell on earth. I'm 42, born with it and well..It's no fun. I've been suicidal for years but am utterly bad at it. I will never be able to work so I'll have to live in this loud apartment for the rest of my life which is stressing me out on a daily basis bc it's basically what I can afford on disability and I have.. I HAD so many dreams. I wanted to go to NYC, I wanted to start skating, do kickboxing, work out more, see the world and so on. Instead I sleep my days away bc the lack of energy.

My family and relatives all knew something was wrong with me since I was born, they knew by the extreme way I slept but never said it out loud. We haven't had any contact since the early 00's and thats for the best, I'd never wanna hear what a fuckup I am again or feel like a burden.

I feel the only way for me is death by euthanasia at a clinic in Belgium. The problem is the cost of 100.000SEK and my belief. I am of Christian belief and I've had many signs that I'm meant to live.

I don't really know what to do. Theres no way I can loan that much money on disability and theres no way my belief allows me to do it. So I'm hoping for cardiac arrest which is a possibility with this illness. I am therefore considering to not take the medication I will get to ease the symptoms and heart problems. That wouldnt be a direct suicide, more like letting nature have its coarse.

I have noone to talk to about this bc evrybody just looks at me and says "Ooh nonsense, you have many years left!" And thats the problem, many years of this earthly hell. They dont get it or they dont wanna take it in.

 

[neptunejoo]

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I'm in this position now, actually.

I am diagnosed with an illness meaning my quality of life will continue to be what it's been so far, which is hell on earth. I'm 42, born with it and well..It's no fun. I've been suicidal for years but am utterly bad at it. I will never be able to work so I'll have to live in this loud apartment for the rest of my life which is stressing me out on a daily basis bc it's basically what I can afford on disability and I have.. I HAD so many dreams. I wanted to go to NYC, I wanted to start skating, do kickboxing, work out more, see the world and so on. Instead I sleep my days away bc the lack of energy.

My family and relatives all knew something was wrong with me since I was born, they knew by the extreme way I slept but never said it out loud. We haven't had any contact since the early 00's and thats for the best, I'd never wanna hear what a fuckup I am again or feel like a burden.

I feel the only way for me is death by euthanasia at a clinic in Belgium. The problem is the cost of 100.000SEK and my belief. I am of Christian belief and I've had many signs that I'm meant to live.

I don't really know what to do. Theres no way I can loan that much money on disability and theres no way my belief allows me to do it. So I'm hoping for cardiac arrest which is a possibility with this illness. I am therefore considering to not take the medication I will get to ease the symptoms and heart problems. That wouldnt be a direct suicide, more like letting nature have its coarse.

I have noone to talk to about this bc evrybody just looks at me and says "Ooh nonsense, you have many years left!" And thats the problem, many years of this earthly hell. They dont get it or they dont wanna take it in.

I understand your pain. I pray for you and I hope there are anybody, someone whom you can talk to. I also feel the constant fatigue. I want to sleep all the time. My energy is low. The suicidal thoughts also often comes.

One day, I slept and I sensed an entity standing on my bed drainning my energy. I was horrified and I began to acknowledge them. They do exist. They will whisper to you negative things because then you'll produce negative energy they love so much. They are like parasites. They won't like if you die, they just want you be miserable all the time.

I try my best to fight them. I try to maintain positive. I want to stay active. Even it is just washing dishes.

Call your friends. People you like. Be with people with good energy.

 

[Vixy]

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I understand your pain. I pray for you and I hope there are anybody, someone whom you can talk to. I also feel the constant fatigue. I want to sleep all the time. My energy is low. The suicidal thoughts also often comes.

One day, I slept and I sensed an entity standing on my bed drainning my energy. I was horrified and I began to acknowledge them. They do exist. They will whisper to you negative things because then you'll produce negative energy they love so much. They are like parasites. They won't like if you die, they just want you be miserable all the time.

I try my best to fight them. I try to maintain positive. I want to stay active. Even it is just washing dishes.

Call your friends. People you like. Be with people with good energy.

Dont really have the energy to hang with people, cant even answer e-mails anymore due to this fatigue. Besides even if they wanted to, they work. Working people and people with their own families dont have time to babysit sicklings. Havent noticed any demons so cant relate.

 

[Lisa]

How unfortunate...she was only 17, why would anyone let her do this?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7103019/Dutch-girl-17-legally-ends-life-euthanasia-clinic.html

 

[Lurker]

why would anyone let her do this?

Her body, her choice.

 

[Lisa]

Her body, her choice.

I guess so Used to be people tried to help people overcome their problems, now we say kill the person with the problems or kill the baby causing me problems. Wow! What an answer to life’s problems huh?

 

[Lurker]

I guess so Used to be people tried to help people overcome their problems, now we say kill the person with the problems or kill the baby causing me problems. Wow! What an answer to life’s problems huh?

Not disagreeing with you. But I'll always err on the side of individual freedom.

 

[Lisa]

Not disagreeing with you. But I'll always err on the side of individual freedom.

Would you then encourage a 17 year old end their life then?

 

[Lurker]

Would you then encourage a 17 year old end their life then?

Not encourage. No. Support? Maybe.

 

[Lisa]

Not encourage. No. Support? Maybe.

That would be encouragement then if you support someone in ending their life..would you be any different than this person...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6674683/Court-upholds-Michelle-Carters-texting-suicide-manslaughter-conviction.html

 

[Lurker]

That would be encouragement then if you support someone in ending their life..would you be any different than this person...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6674683/Court-upholds-Michelle-Carters-texting-suicide-manslaughter-conviction.html

No, my position is accepting someones decision. Not telling them what to do.

 

[Lisa]

No, my position is accepting someones decision. Not telling them what to do.

But isn’t it the same thing...you aren’t discouraging them from ending their life so you are kinda like that girl.

 

[Lurker]

But isn’t it the same thing...you aren’t discouraging them from ending their life so you are kinda like that girl.

None of what may have been discussed with this fictitious person before the decision was made has been addressed. But, let's go with, if you have cancer, you must get treatment. Someone else said it was best for you. As well as GMOs, you must eat them. Someone else said they're fine.

 

[manama]

The problem with religious side of things when it comes to the topic of suicide is that, most priests who talk about it have little to no idea about mental health and they will never ever talk about extreme cases and the major reasons people commit or attempt suicide.

There was this really controversial thing or issue or whatever you want to call it where a woman called a scholar and asked him (during his live QnA session) that if someone commits suicide to protect themselves i.e. a woman is about to be gangraped and she has no way out and in fear she jumps off of the building and kills herself, is she still a sinner that is going to hell.
The woman who asked this was clearly in tears and you could tell that she was probably asking this due to something that might have happened to her or someone close to her. But the scholars answering it started laughing because someone dying from "fear" of r*pe seemed hilarious.

This is why I have absolutely no respect for "priests" of ANY faith who try to talk about issues where mental health plays an important role, without knowing about the scientific part of things.

 

[Lurker]

The problem with religious side of things when it comes to the topic of suicide is that, most priests who talk about it have little to no idea about mental health and they will never ever talk about extreme cases and the major reasons people commit or attempt suicide.

There was this really controversial thing or issue or whatever you want to call it where a woman called a scholar and asked him (during his live QnA session) that if someone commits suicide to protect themselves i.e. a woman is about to be gangraped and she has no way out and in fear she jumps off of the building and kills herself, is she still a sinner that is going to hell.
The woman who asked this was clearly in tears and you could tell that she was probably asking this due to something that might have happened to her or someone close to her. But the scholars answering it started laughing because someone dying from "fear" of r*pe seemed hilarious.

This is why I have absolutely no respect for "priests" of ANY faith who try to talk about issues where mental health plays an important role, without knowing about the scientific part of things.

I had heard that the Jesuits were pretty well educated. Not a rabbit hole I've been down tho.

 

[justjess]

If someone wants to kill themselves they can kill themselves. I’m not sure why the state needs to sanction this.

 

[Lisa]

None of what may have been discussed with this fictitious person before the decision was made has been addressed. But, let's go with, if you have cancer, you must get treatment. Someone else said it was best for you. As well as GMOs, you must eat them. Someone else said they're fine.

We are talking about stopping a person from ending their life not taking gmo’s. I don’t think that’s an equal argument. The cancer thing, yes, you try to help people make a good decision, but the thing is people don’t really want to die, so they will do chemo.

 

[Lurker]

If someone wants to kill themselves they can kill themselves. I’m not sure why the state needs to sanction this.

Society, and thereby the state, needs to sanction it. Should I kill myself, my family should be part of it. Not finding my brains on the wall or me hanging in the woods being alerted by buzzards.