Which religion is really true and which isn't?

Todd

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Well if you used to believe and not believe then all I can say is for me, that’s too bad. I can not agree and support your beliefs but I will still wish you the best.
See that is thing. I am not sure I actually ever really believed it. I just assumed that what the Church taught me was correct. When I actually went and looked at what scripture really taught without any pre-suppositions I saw something completely different.
 
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@Allegra, for the record I do not subscribe to Modalism.

Because we are batptized into the family of God (the Father) becoming sons of God, through the work of Jesus on the Cross (our brother and perfect example) and given the promise of God's spirit indwelling in us.
That happens upon salvation, regardless of water baptism.
 

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That happens upon salvation, regardless of water baptism.
Depends on what your definition of salvation is. Of course we already know we don't agree on that as you believe salvation is from hell, where I believe slavation is from the power of sin. Either way the context of the verse has nothing to do with teaching, explaining or establishing the Trinity doctrine.
 

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See that is thing. I am not sure I actually ever really believed it. I just assumed that what the Church taught me was correct. When I actually went and looked at what scripture really taught without any pre-suppositions I saw something completely different.
2 Timothy 3:7
 

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God is unlike anything else and I have always felt comfortable in the understanding that 1x1x1x300=1, so the Hindu religion is logically true.
I was unaware that the Hindu pantheon claimed the Echad (or oneness in the sense of unity of God).

Pondering a bit more, the “cubic” nature of God was reflected in the shape of the Holy of Holies.

The Holy of Holies, the most sacred site in Judaism, is the inner sanctuary within the Tabernacle and Temple in Jerusalem when Solomon's Temple and the Second Temple were standing. The Holy of Holies was located in the westernmost end of the Temple building, being a perfect cube: 20 cubits by 20 cubits by 20 cubits.

In Biblical number references, twenty symbolises redemption. The Hebrew letter kaph represents the number 20. Kaph is a palm, an open hand, in Hebrew. It signifies giving freely with the palm up, or covering sin with the palm down.

No wonder the satanists who love nothing more than twisting, copying and emulation try to adopt the cube as their emblem, and why Satan, the antichrist and the Image if the Beast are a mockery of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
 

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i dont know where did the cube thing came in but ... i am always further confused by your comments.

i sayed if this logic 1x1x1=1 of yours is really the truth then it can be applied to any other polytheistic religion that is why if we multiply 1 by 1 three hundred times then it still will equal to 1.
You can not force your perception of Christianity upon others and make them talk about it from your perspective...
 

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i dont know where did the cube thing came in but ... i am always further confused by your comments.se

i sayed if this logic 1x1x1=1 of yours is really the truth then it can be applied to any other polytheistic religion that is why if we multiply 1 by 1 three hundred times then it still will equal to 1.
OK, I admit I added the rest because I found it fascinating and it was a further confirmation to me.

As for the 300, put more straightforwardly, does your understanding of Hinduism make you believe that any of their gods make the claim that they represent the fullness of the character and nature of God?

As I read it their claims and have interacted with Hindus, they seem to have a picture of God as a giant jigsaw, with each little god being a single, incomplete piece.

To me this contrasts completely with Colossians 2:-

8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
 

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Many traditions within Hinduism share the Vedic idea of a metaphysical ultimate reality and truth called Brahman (One Person)
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_views_on_monotheism
I know - you have “Atman” or the individual soul, pictured as a drop of water subsiding into the ocean of Brahman. I know that Islam pictures Christianity as a religion that has narrowed down polytheism to just three gods, but that would be to misunderstand the biblical concept of the Trinity.

I simply meant that within the individual pantheon of Hindu gods, each in limited and certainly not all of them are good.
 

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Say what you want about me, I can prove what I say from the Bible.

“Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”.....Matthew 5:11 KJB
No but you are part of the modern resurgent heresy called Free grace theology.

I didn't even know there was such a thing... and that's why i called this forum's christianity for easy grace gospel... but apparently this heresy has a name.
 

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No but you are part of the modern resurgent heresy called Free grace theology.

I didn't even know there was such a thing... and that's why i called this forum's christianity for easy grace gospel... but apparently this heresy has a name.
When a label is created, it is usually by the group who disagree with the idea - take “Lordship Salvation”...

The "lordship salvation" controversy (also "Lordship Controversy") is a theological dispute regarding key soteriological questions within Evangelical Christianity, involving some non-denominational and Evangelical churches in North America at least since the 1980s. The dispute spawned several books, pamphlets, and conferences. According to one website advocating Lordship Salvation, "the doctrine of Lordship salvation teaches that submitting to Christ as Lord goes hand-in-hand with trusting in Christ as Savior. Lordship salvation is the opposite of what is sometimes called easy-believism or the teaching that salvation comes through an acknowledgement of a certain set of facts." Another website critical of it, defines it similarly, however: "As defined by its own advocates, Lordship Salvation could more properly be called "Commitment Salvation," "Surrender Salvation," or "Submission Salvation" since in actuality the debate is not over the Lordship of Christ, but the response of a person to the gospel and the conditions which must be met for salvation."

Let me take a pragmatic view with you. If you find that fear of lost salvation is the primary motivating factor for holiness in your life, keep on track with it. If you are born again, we will meet one day when we both see through the glass less darkly.

On the other hand, you make yourself appear judgemental and unlearned by accusing genuine followers of Jesus of being heretics. If you really do have a concern about maintaining a sinless state of perfection, sitting in judgement over believers you barely know and being angry at a brother (or sister) without a cause are not recommended.
 

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On the other hand, you make yourself appear judgemental and unlearned by accusing genuine followers of Jesus of being heretics. If you really do have a concern about maintaining a sinless state of perfection, sitting in judgement over believers you barely know and being angry at a brother (or sister) without a cause are not recommended.
You don't understand the gravity of the fact that you appear to be an advocate of a heresy ?

And when made aware of this heresy... you answer with a knee jerk reaction ?

How about some introspection ? How about a little investigation into this... for your own good you know.

Salvation is at stake... so i would make a serious effort in finding out if i am a heretic or not.

Back to the drawing board !


O i forgot salvation is not at stake... for you just believe in Jesus right ?
 

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You don't understand the gravity of the fact that you appear to be an advocate of a heresy ?

And when made aware of this heresy... you answer with a knee jerk reaction ?

How about some introspection ? How about a little investigation into this... for your own good you know.

Salvation is at stake... so i would make a serious effort in finding out if i am a heretic or not.

Back to the drawing board !


O i forgot salvation is not at stake... for you just believe in Jesus right ?
I distinguish between the judgement of the believer and the judgement of their works.

Salvation is not hard to understand, but it is humbling.


Judgement of works is clearly presented by Paul. You can spend from now till the Rapture trying to harass born again Christians over their so called licentious behaviour. If you do, it will be your loss.

1 Corinthians 3

Christ the Only Foundation
(Isaiah 28:14-22; 1 Peter 2:4-12)

10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
 

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Greetings, Mr. Fishnet.
I think you have read this before. :)
Guidance is not in our hands but His The Most Exalted the Most High.
Send a prayer to the Creator using the words Creator or God alone.
Ask for guidance and have faith you will be led to the straight path.
May the Creator of the heavens and earth guide you . Ameen.

 

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Judgement of works is clearly presented by Paul. You can spend from now till the Rapture trying to harass born again Christians over their so called licentious behaviour. If you do, it will be your loss.
Let me see if i get your doctrine right... as long as you believe in Jesus Christ your ticket to Heaven is assured no question asked... but there might not be any rewards there for you... if you live say licentiously on the earth ?
 

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Let me see if i get your doctrine right... as long as you believe in Jesus Christ your ticket to Heaven is assured no question asked... but there might not be any rewards there for you... if you live say licentiously on the earth ?
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*For a more extensive explanation of the relationship of a born again person to sin, I really recommend Romans 6, 7 and 8. If you get hold of that truth, it will change the way you see yourself, others and God.
 

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Btw @TokiEl - you may find this interesting:-

Repentance from Dead Works

“Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.”

~ Hebrews 6:1-2

REPENTANCE is a cardinal doctrine of Christianity.

We must repent of trusting our “good works” to get us into Heaven, and not just trusting in works before salvation. A “dead work” is something that you try to do to earn your way into Heaven.It is dead because Many professed Christians are hoping their works will get them to Heaven (I know this because I was one of them). You need to, even as a Christian, make sure that you’re not expecting your good works to get you in. If you were once trying to get into Heaven without Christ, you were trying to work your way in and you need to repent of this.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Heb 9:14). “Dead works seems to refer here to the ‘works’ that people try to do to earn their way into Heaven. It says that the O.T. sacrifices were a figure, a representation of Christ’s coming sacrifice (Heb 9:9), and they could not make the people perfect. “For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sin” (Heb 10:4).

This does not mean that we should not do good works. Ephesians 2:10 tells us that we are saved TO DO good works and it was foreordained that we should walk in them. (This is RIGHT AFTER Eph 2:8,9, which tells us that salvation is by faith not works.) See my article Salvation unto Good Works.

Dead works also refers to sin. The unsaved will be judged according to their WORKS: “And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God … and they were judged every man according to their works” (Rev 20:12,13). Before you were saved, you were “dead in trespasses and sins” (Eph 2:1,5). Sin is not just a dead work; it is a deadly work!!! Before you were saved, your sins were KILLING you!!!

Therefore we must repent of our sins. This is not something you do just at salvation. As you grow in the faith and read your Bible, you will discover other sins in your life not previously known to you. The Holy Ghost will show you things in your life you never knew were sin and maybe you never even you did. When you repented at salvation, you promise God that you will turn away from and abandon ALL your sins. When you realize that something in your life is sin, repent of it and turn from it.

Some early Christians were asking thinking that, since forgiveness of sins was by grace, if they sinned more, they would get more grace, and God would look more holy because of it.

Here is how Paul responded:

Romans Chapter 6

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We need to repent from our dead works and serve the living God. But you can’t get rid of your sins on your own. You need the POWER of God to help you.

https://www.preservedword.com/content/repentance-from-dead-works/
 
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