Mr.Anderson
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this infographic is reeeally uplifting
Right on.An interesting prophetic infographic, courtesy of https://rev12daily.blogspot.com/2019/04/new-bible-overview-graphic-from-gary.html?m=1
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I always knew you weren't screwed quite right.You're a fool.
The last trump of God is of course the 7th and last trump in the book of Revelation.The seven trumps in Revelation are trumpets of judgement. The Rapture will happen at the last Trump of God, which is sounded to call his people up. An example of this is in Exodus 19.
You're the one arguing about a book of the Bible you say you've never read.I always knew you weren't screwed quite right.
You don't even have the understanding to know that was a joke.You're the one arguing about a book of the Bible you say you've never read.
Why do you think the first two seals are opened?I have said before on the end times thread that I think that the first two seals are already opened. I’m not sure this is the type of talk you are wanting for this thread though or if you are instead wanting to decipher it.
Also are we bringing other books with prophetic verses that line up with Revelation in or are you just keeping to the book of Revelation?
The Antichrist has obviously appeared and the entire world has gone to war at least two times already. Where are you living ?Why do you think the first two seals are opened?
I think that is impossible, because when the 1st seal is opened, that’s when the Antichrist goes to conquer.
Obviously he hasn’t appeared yet.
The 2nd seal opening is when the entire world goes to war.
That hasn’t happened yet either.
I actually agree with Toki on this.Who are the ten kings?
The world hasn’t ended yet, Christ hasn’t returned, so whoever you think the Antichrist is who has come & gone, is not THE (final) Antichrist, and the Bible says there will come “many” antichrists, but not THE Antichrist of Revelation, the man of perdition.The Antichrist has obviously appeared and the entire world has gone to war at least two times already. Where are you living ?
For the record i don't believe the ten kings are the ten non permanent two year terms UN Security Council members.I actually agree with Toki on this.
The ten horns represent ten kings who give their power over to the beast. .....
(The beast being referred to here is the Antichrist one-world global government.)
.....I believe this represents the 10 non-permanent members of the UN Security Council...there are 5 permanent members (the US being one of them) & 10 non-permanent members. These 10 will hand over their power to the beast.
There is no Antichrist in the book of Revelation.The world hasn’t ended yet, Christ hasn’t returned, so whoever you think the Antichrist is who has come & gone, is not THE (final) Antichrist, and the Bible says there will come “many” antichrists, but not THE Antichrist of Revelation, the man of perdition.
The Antichrist of Revelation has NOT come yet.
Why do you assume the 10 kings must be of “royal” blood?For the record i don't believe the ten kings are the ten non permanent two year terms UN Security Council members.
The powerful players at the Club of Rome have divided the earth into ten regions. And so ten kings that is of royal blood are waiting in the wings to take the reign over their region... after the destruction of the great city Babylon which now reigns over the kings of the earth.
The UN is the only visible organisation who can be said to reign over the kings of the earth and their headquarter is in New York City.
No, they are not the Church and I believe it because the Bible never says they are the Church.Whatever their role, you believe the 24 elders are NOT the Church. Right?
Right, but the Bible doesn't give any indication that he is Shem.Yes, Shem's life and Abraham's apparently would have overlapped by about 140 years. This site has a lot of information, but I don't vouch for anything they say.
No they are not. You have taken Revelation 4:1 and separated it from the rest of the chapter. They are not talking about the same thing if you read the whole of Revelation 4.No, I'm not. Revelation 4:1 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 are describing the same event. 1 Thessalonians 4 speaks of the Harpazo, or Rapture. Jesus appears in the clouds, with a shout and the sound of a trumpet, and catches believers up to Heaven.
A trumpet like voice is not a trumpet sound. Its a voice that sounds like a trumpet. In I Thessalonians 4 a trumpet is blown. Its not a trumpet like voice. That sound of the trumpet raises the dead who are asleep. Then the dead along with those who are alive go up in the air to meet the Lord. In Revelation 4 no one meets Jesus in the air because He is in the heavenly temple.In Revelation 4:1 John hears a voice like a trumpet telling him to "come up hither", and he is taken up into Heaven to where Jesus is. In both instances, believers on earth are instantly taken up to be with Jesus.
This is the mistake you're making. You are using your opinion not using the Bible to explain itself. The only way they those verses are similar to you is because you've taken Revelation 4:1 out of context.Whether it's someone blowing a trumpet, or it's the sound of a trumpet, in my opinion the passages are too similar to ignore.
Revelation 4 in context is not about any rapture. I know I'm repeating myself but you have taken verse 1 out of context. Do not separate it from the rest of the chapter. When you read the whole chapter in context, it quickly becomes clear that verse 1 is not about Jesus' return.I don't know how you got the idea that I am mixing things up here. Chapter 4 of Revelation is clearly set in Heaven's throne room, but it's verse one that shows how John gets there. Is John in Heaven in verse o
All the verses you've put up here match up with what will happen just before Jesus returns and when He returns the second time. They just give us more clues here and there about what will happen. There is only going to be one rapture of God's people, the Church, and that is when He comes back the second time. Matthew 24:29 and 30 match with Revelation 6:12-17 which is what happens during the sixth seal.It does not harmonize at all with Matthew 24:31.
Mat 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
I know you won't agree, but Matthew 24:29-31 is about the Second Advent of Jesus Christ, and the redemption and salvation of Israel. Jesus won't return until Israel repents and calls for him. At the end of the Tribulation, Israel cries out for the Lord, and he answers.
In the NKJV the heading for Matthew 24:29-31 is "The coming of the son of man." These verses are speaking about what will happen when Jesus returns the second time. Verse 31 says, "And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." This matches what I Thessalonians 4:16-17 and I Corinthians 15:52.Verse 29 speaks of the events that occur after the opening of the seven seals. Since you seem to accept that verse 31 is speaking of a future event, I wonder how you can still insist that the events of Revelation have passed. Either way, verse 31 doesn't jibe with 1 Thessalonians 4. In 1 Thessalonians, we are caught to meet Jesus in the air, but in Matthew 24, Jesus sends his angels to gather his elect. If you are going to quibble about the sound of a trumpet being completely different than a voice like a trumpet, I am certainly not going to let you tell me that there is no difference between Jesus sending his angels to get me, or coming and getting me himself!
John is on earth but in vision, he does not go to heaven.I didn't say Revelation 4 takes place on earth. But where do you think John is before he is told to come up to Heaven in verse one?
Well, the Bible doesn't teach it how you see it.Obviously, that's not the way I see it.
Royal or blue blood is from the nephilim who were the children of angels. From old at least it was this line who used to be kings and queens over the nations.Why do you assume the 10 kings must be of “royal” blood?
If the great city Babylon is New York City it is best to come out of her.When I said I agree with you, I was referring to your statement below from post #18:
“Which city reigns over the kings of the earth ? Well the kings of the earth more or less take their orders from the United Nations which headquarters is in New York City.”
“And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.“.....Revelation 6:2 (KJB)There is no Antichrist in the book of Revelation.
There is a seven headed beast with ten horns and a beast looking like a lamb with two horns. And there is a false prophet. From Daniel there is a little horn who will uproot three of the ten horns or kings.
The son of perdition is a term from Paul and that term was also used about Judas who betrayed Jesus. And a case can be made that since the unrestricted advancements of technology that man of sin has been revealed through TV. The Vicar of Christ sitting as if he is God in the temple of God... although he is neither.
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Not the Nephilim again.Royal or blue blood is from the nephilim who were the children of angels. From old at least it was this line who used to be kings and queens over the nations.
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The Bible teaches that the world will eventually produce a world ruler, called “the beast” in Revelation, who will wield great power and demand worship of himself. He will have “a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies” (Revelation 13:5) and is empowered by Satan (verse 2). He is called “the man of lawlessness . . . the man doomed to destruction” in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. This final Antichrist will be the culmination of the evil workings of Satan throughout the centuries. The Antichrist of the end times will embody all the deception and perversion of truth that the spirit of the antichrist has always promoted. Today, “the secret power of lawlessness is already at work” (verse 7). The same spirit that will empower the Antichrist of the last days is currently operating in the world to bring confusion and deception to the issue of Jesus Christ’s person and work. “This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world” (1 John 4:3).
The term Antichrist is only found in the first and second letter of John... and not in the book of Revelation.“And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.“.....Revelation 6:2 (KJB)
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”.....1 John 2:18 (KJB)
Your pride and prejudice fail you yet again.Not the Nephilim again.
There’s no such thing.
I’ve proven this from the Bible before.
The entire Nephilim deception is rooted in people misunderstanding what the term “sons of God” means.
It is describing a saved person/saint.