Abortion : The Otherside of the slippery slope

Damien50

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Well, I decided to check out the pre eclampsia thing after reading this, and you are right about this.

No need for the rose colored glasses @Damien50.
I'm glad for you Lisa. This is progress and I apologize for calling you a racist, you're just uninformed and you made the effort to be informed. God bless you.
 
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Who says I don’t care for the neglected, abused kids? We are under an impression that all unwanted kids should be aborted so that they won’t be neglected and abused, but I don’t believe that all kids who are unwanted at first are born and have the worst lives possible.

Shouldn’t I weep for the unborn? Tell me what is their crime that they get the death penalty? We have a hard time giving criminals in this world the death penalty, but babies in the womb...just kill them. Then people wonder why life is so cheap anymore...
I wasn't attacking you personally,so maybe take it down a notch? I was generalizing about Americans. We say abortion is murder, but I guess it isn't murder when we have our military killing "insurgent children" in far away lands, or put people to death for crimes they may or may not be guilty? it completely is. Not every abortion is that of an unwanted child. That's your assumption.

Maybe you should pray or be grateful or simply be empathetic for the unborn child who never has to suffer starvation or any # of the ways children die in our country, but instead makes their path up to heaven without having to live a life of suffering. Or maybe wonder why God in all his infinite wisdom allowed something like abortion to be created.
 

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I wasn't attacking you personally,so maybe take it down a notch? I was generalizing about Americans. We say abortion is murder, but I guess it isn't murder when we have our military killing "insurgent children" in far away lands, or put people to death for crimes they may or may not be guilty? it completely is. Not every abortion is that of an unwanted child. That's your assumption.

Maybe you should pray or be grateful or simply be empathetic for the unborn child who never has to suffer starvation or any # of the ways children die in our country, but instead makes their path up to heaven without having to live a life of suffering. Or maybe wonder why God in all his infinite wisdom allowed something like abortion to be created.
Well up until your reply I was being raked over the coals..And I didn’t know that you were generalizing.

What far away lands are you talking about?

Well if you abort/kill the child in the womb aren’t they unwanted?

Sorry, I can’t be happy they were killed before they could even have life. I guess it’s always my hope that God will intervene in anyone’s life and He really is the Light and Hope of the world. How can I wish death for a little baby that did nothing wrong but be conceived? I can’t. We don’t know that their life will be horrible because they were born. We don’t know that God can’t turn their lives around if they are born in bad circumstances. Many times people come to God because of such circumstances.

Well, for sure the God who says don’t kill isn’t so happy with all the baby killing. He didn’t create abortion and He certainly didn’t say that if you have an unwanted (for any reason) baby then you just kill it. He would rather you come to Him because He knows the best way to handle the situation.

This is what God tells us about our hearts...
The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?
‭‭JEREMIAH‬ ‭17:9
We are the ones that have reasoned out with our deceitful and desperately sick hearts that abortion/murder is a good and best way.
 
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Alabama Senate Set to Take Up Bill Effectively Banning Abortion

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/us/abortion-law-alabama.amp.html

“The proposal is among the most aggressive efforts in decades around the country to curb abortion. Doctors who perform the procedure could be charged with a felony and face up to 99 years in prison. The bill includes an exception for cases where the mother’s life is at serious risk, but lawmakers on Tuesday rejected an amendment that would have added exceptions for cases of r*pe or incest.”
 

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Yeah they just passed that gem last week I believe... full personhood from conception so all standing laws apply. If a mother smoked or drank or didn’t take vitamins etc and miscarried she could be legally liable for the miscarriage the same as a murder.
 

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Yeah they just passed that gem last week I believe... full personhood from conception so all standing laws apply. If a mother smoked or drank or didn’t take vitamins etc and miscarried she could be legally liable for the miscarriage the same as a murder.
Miscarriages are rarely ever due to the pregnant woman's actions in the first place... the body sometimes naturally aborts fetuses that are not viable. So she will be charged with a crime she did not commit.
 
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Wow! :eek:

The death of untold millions of innocent and helpless babies is trivial? It is it’s own war...
They aren't even babies when people get abortions. I'm pretty sure people can't get abortions when it's developed into a baby. Inside the woman are just sperm cells and a fertilized egg. But what about r*pe victims? I'm aware that people have previously mentioned war crime and women being violated in their own skin and yet you cease to care about the woman and what she must be going through. It is far better to abort a baby than to give birth to it and have it living in horrible conditions. What about meth addicts and crackheads and heroin addicts? Is it better to give birth to a child you know is going to suffer from deformities and live a rough life or better to let it go before there is anything to let go? What about a teen mother who has no money and no support from her parents or the baby's father? Better to suffer than to not be born?
 

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Nyc is always an option.. for those who can afford to get there. There are some amazing organizations that will help with the cost of the procedure transportation and lodging.

There was a European agency that would mail the abortion pill for self administration but that was shut down by the fda in March.

All these laws truly do is create a stratified system of justice. It’s still legal for the women of these states if they can afford to travel, for the poor and lower classes - they can rot apparantly.
 
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Well up until your reply I was being raked over the coals..And I didn’t know that you were generalizing.

What far away lands are you talking about? The MIddle East, Asia, take your pick. Any country we are warring or occupied within...locals are droned and murdered. By our military. For GOD and Country, all that asinine shit.

Well if you abort/kill the child in the womb aren’t they unwanted? Not always. My analogy would be; take pets for instance. People get animals, get in over their head and have to re-home the pet. It is not because they dont WANT the pet. They recognize that they cannot provide what the pet NEEDS, so they have to do what is best for the animal. I realize abortion and re-homing are not the same thing. It is about Mercy for something they are responsible for.

Sorry, I can’t be happy they were killed before they could even have life. I guess it’s always my hope that God will intervene in anyone’s life and He really is the Light and Hope of the world. How can I wish death for a little baby that did nothing wrong but be conceived? I can’t. We don’t know that their life will be horrible because they were born. We don’t know that God can’t turn their lives around if they are born in bad circumstances. Many times people come to God because of such circumstances. Well, someone else's life choices aren't about making YOU happy. They can only do right or wrong by themselves, see/experience the world through their own filter, and live with their own choices. Yes, sometimes having a child turns someone's life around, and so does abortion. Especially when face with that decision at a young age, it will grow you up REAL fast.

Well, for sure the God who says don’t kill isn’t so happy with all the baby killing. He didn’t create abortion and He certainly didn’t say that if you have an unwanted (for any reason) baby then you just kill it. He would rather you come to Him because He knows the best way to handle the situation. God and The BIble leave much up for interpretation for our modern lives, it lays out a LOT of things that shouldn't be done, but people just think those sins dont way as heavy, or they rationalize it away to an answer they can live with. Yet, people be adultering and lying they lives away. Just as bad, just as guilty. None of us are without sin and mistakes. We just think we are, so we can't empathize for others. Basically, everyone is a judgemental arsehole.

This is what God tells us about our hearts...
The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? Maybe that is why abortion is a decision made with one's head, and not their heart. Their heart may say, keep the pregnancy. While their head tells them, it isn't right or fair the potential life they have begun to carry.
‭‭JEREMIAH‬ ‭17:9
We are the ones that have reasoned out with our deceitful and desperately sick hearts that abortion/murder is a good and best way.
 
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Why A Pro-Life World Has A Lot of Dead Women In It

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a10033320/pro-life-abortion/?fbclid=IwAR22WyhuAfdKsqSnjNW1l66oNGRFtFDeL2ilyYGTQJosWvzdOh0qyvSY2yI

“Amnesty International reports that suicide now accounts for 57 percent of deaths of pregnant females ages 10-19 in El Salvador. Because in an attempt to terminate their pregnancies, women are “ingesting rat poison or other pesticides, and thrusting knitting needles, pieces of wood and other sharp objects into the cervix.”

Pro-Life is not pro life at all, it’s the forced birth movement.
 

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You're denying scientific evidence... You'd rather listen to one woman than read multiple studies? She's not a credible source, she doesn't know anything about the way biology works. Fetus's are physically incapable of experiencing pain until the pain processing part of their brain has developed... this happens in the third trimester. This is what the evidence states... There have been no studies to contradict this evidence because all studies have observed this process happening in the third trimester and not earlier than that.

Here is a scientific study:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/201429#

"Pain perception requires conscious recognition or awareness of a noxious stimulus. Neither withdrawal reflexes nor hormonal stress responses to invasive procedures prove the existence of fetal pain, because they can be elicited by nonpainful stimuli and occur without conscious cortical processing. Fetal awareness of noxious stimuli requires functional thalamocortical connections. Thalamocortical fibers begin appearing between 23 to 30 weeks’ gestational age, while electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in preterm neonates probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks."

A fetus doesn't have to feel pain to move away from something... a fetus is capable of reacting to stimuli but that certainly doesn't mean that it can process the stimuli as painful. Reflexes do not equal the perception of pain. The perception of pain is only possible when the brain is fully formed, and I hope you understand that a fetus's brain takes time to form. The part of the brain that registers pain is not formed until around 24 weeks, this is a fact and denying it is denying reality.

Here is some more useful knowledge from the study:

Nociception may be characterized by reflex movement in response to a noxious stimulus, without cortical involvement or conscious pain perception. Nociception involves peripheral sensory receptors whose afferent fibers synapse in the spinal cord on interneurons, which synapse on motor neurons that also reside in the spinal cord. These motor neurons trigger muscle contraction, causing limb flexion away from a stimulus.

In contrast, pain perception requires cortical recognition of the stimulus as unpleasant. Peripheral sensory receptor afferents synapse on spinal cord neurons, the axons of which project to the thalamus, which sends afferents to the cerebral cortex activating any number of cortical regions. Sensory receptors and spinal cord synapses required for nociception develop earlier than the thalamocortical pathways required for conscious perception of pain.

What? The "hardness of my heart"? You're personally accusing me of things that don't apply, this shows me that you really have no credible argument. Abby is not a credible source and I'd rather not read her propaganda. I am only basing my claims on our current scientific knowledge and findings... also known as observed facts. I would only claim something different if new facts were ever discovered, but they have not been and all evidence points to what I've already explained. It has nothing to do with "my heart" or my personal feelings, emotions, or beliefs... only the truth.

And again, the truth is that abortions are conducted far before any of this development occurs... fetuses cannot feel pain early on in their development and that is the time frame in which abortions are performed. Abortions are done in the first trimester, nowhere near the time that pain perception is developed. If a person who was raped has an abortion, they are not hurting or killing a baby because the fetus is neither a baby nor is it conscious at that state of development.
Dr. @mecca, it has been stated before by multiple members, in multiple ways, however, I think a line from Ghostbusters says it best:

“You seem to regard Science as some kind of dodge or hustle. Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable. You are a poor scientist Dr. @mecca.”
 

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Dr. @mecca, it has been stated before by multiple members, in multiple ways, however, I think a line from Ghostbusters says it best:

“You seem to regard Science as some kind of dodge or hustle. Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable. You are a poor scientist Dr. @mecca.”
Did you seriously come back after months just to post the most cringeworthy reply in this thread?
 

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It is far better to abort a baby than to give birth to it and have it living in horrible conditions
With that statement, I'm almost sure that most of us wouldn't be alive today unless those who were born in wealthy families. It's not my case.

What about meth addicts and crackheads and heroin addicts? Is it better to give birth to a child you know is going to suffer from deformities and live a rough life or better to let it go before there is anything to let go? What about a teen mother who has no money and no support from her parents or the baby's father? Better to suffer than to not be born?
One word, responsibility. Nobody force people to do drugs and accept a toxic lifestyle. When they choose this lifestyle it's up to them to realize that they can't afford to have kids before pregnancy.
Abortion is not the only contraception that exist today.
 

justjess

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And the other options for contraception’s fail frequently and keavrvmuch to be desired. What aren’t we pushing vasectomies?
 
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