mecca
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You're denying scientific evidence... You'd rather listen to one woman than read multiple studies? She's not a credible source, she doesn't know anything about the way biology works. Fetus's are physically incapable of experiencing pain until the pain processing part of their brain has developed... this happens in the third trimester. This is what the evidence states... There have been no studies to contradict this evidence because all studies have observed this process happening in the third trimester and not earlier than that.Abby Johnson and others who have witnessed abortions have seen via ultrasound the so-called "clump of cells" move away from the canula, the vacuum.
Here is a scientific study:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/201429#
"Pain perception requires conscious recognition or awareness of a noxious stimulus. Neither withdrawal reflexes nor hormonal stress responses to invasive procedures prove the existence of fetal pain, because they can be elicited by nonpainful stimuli and occur without conscious cortical processing. Fetal awareness of noxious stimuli requires functional thalamocortical connections. Thalamocortical fibers begin appearing between 23 to 30 weeks’ gestational age, while electroencephalography suggests the capacity for functional pain perception in preterm neonates probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks."
A fetus doesn't have to feel pain to move away from something... a fetus is capable of reacting to stimuli but that certainly doesn't mean that it can process the stimuli as painful. Reflexes do not equal the perception of pain. The perception of pain is only possible when the brain is fully formed, and I hope you understand that a fetus's brain takes time to form. The part of the brain that registers pain is not formed until around 24 weeks, this is a fact and denying it is denying reality.If the fetus wasn't a human embryo and didn't feel pain, it wouldn't move away from the canula or vacuum.
Here is some more useful knowledge from the study:
Nociception may be characterized by reflex movement in response to a noxious stimulus, without cortical involvement or conscious pain perception. Nociception involves peripheral sensory receptors whose afferent fibers synapse in the spinal cord on interneurons, which synapse on motor neurons that also reside in the spinal cord. These motor neurons trigger muscle contraction, causing limb flexion away from a stimulus.
In contrast, pain perception requires cortical recognition of the stimulus as unpleasant. Peripheral sensory receptor afferents synapse on spinal cord neurons, the axons of which project to the thalamus, which sends afferents to the cerebral cortex activating any number of cortical regions. Sensory receptors and spinal cord synapses required for nociception develop earlier than the thalamocortical pathways required for conscious perception of pain.
What? The "hardness of my heart"? You're personally accusing me of things that don't apply, this shows me that you really have no credible argument. Abby is not a credible source and I'd rather not read her propaganda. I am only basing my claims on our current scientific knowledge and findings... also known as observed facts. I would only claim something different if new facts were ever discovered, but they have not been and all evidence points to what I've already explained. It has nothing to do with "my heart" or my personal feelings, emotions, or beliefs... only the truth.read Abby Johnson's story and you may change your mind. You may not change your mind because of the hardness of your heart.
And again, the truth is that abortions are conducted far before any of this development occurs... fetuses cannot feel pain early on in their development and that is the time frame in which abortions are performed. Abortions are done in the first trimester, nowhere near the time that pain perception is developed. If a person who was raped has an abortion, they are not hurting or killing a baby because the fetus is neither a baby nor is it conscious at that state of development.
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