Abortion : The Otherside of the slippery slope

[Lisa]

It doesn’t matter if a woman’s body is made to give birth

She had no choice in whether to have sex or not. It was forced on her. The pregnancy which resulted was also forced on her. Making her carry that pregnancy to term and give birth is the definition of forcing her to give birth. Its wrong. It’s the same violation as the r*pe was.

2 wrongs don’t make a right. And killing the baby shouldn’t even be an option.

 

[Lisa]

Lisa hasn't been gang raped by foreign invaders in her own home while her husband is murdered in front of her and she's being passed around like a joint. Lisa won't have to hope she can come to America and escape war assuming she doesn't die from sickness, can find survivors to help her, can even find food. She could possibly give birth in a ditch during a rain storm and her and the baby die.

Lisa will sit at her computer and criticize situations and people she'll never be able to fathom and tell them they are wrong.

It’s wrong to kill.

 

[Damien50]

It’s wrong to kill.

It's wrong to not love your neighbor and if everyone did abortions outside of health reasons wouldn't even be a conversation.

 

[justjess]

2 wrongs don’t make a right. And killing the baby shouldn’t even be an option.

Says who? Your god? The Christian church disagreed about that for centuries, and for the longest time it was “fine” up until quickening - which coincidentally coincides pretty closely to our current laws.

Also not everyone believes in your god. So your belief that it is wrong based on your bible does not mean the whole entire world shares this conviction and imposing your belief on someone is again, wrong.

 

[Lisa]

Says who? Your god? The Christian church disagreed about that for centuries, and for the longest time it was “fine” up until quickening - which coincidentally coincides pretty closely to our current laws.

Also not everyone believes in your god. So your belief that it is wrong based on your bible does not mean the whole entire world shares this conviction and imposing your belief on someone is again, wrong.

Look, I know you have a dog in this fight, Jess. If people agree that abortion is good, what you did was good. If people don’t agree with abortion than perhaps what you did was bad?

Yes, God says do not kill. And that’s not just for people who believe in Him but that is the law for everyone whether you believe in Him or not. Not believing in God doesn’t give you a pass on this. Maybe it does in your and many people’s minds but it doesn’t.

And morally speaking it’s evil to kill an innocent baby in the womb. They did nothing wrong but be conceived. Nothing for which they should receive the death penalty. Those cells you want to kill off become a person. A person, like I keep saying that if you could ask them the question “Do you want to live?” They would say “Yes!” And that’s the point, they don’t have a voice yet, someone has to stick up for their voice and their live’s because they can’t.

And why is killing the only answer to an unwanted pregnancy? How did that even become the right answer for many people? That seems so bizarre to me. Or even watching people cheering like in Ireland after they passed the law that abortion is now legal and women standing their celebrating killing babies, killing people to be-man it’s just unbelievable to me, yet God did say people will think what’s evil is good and what’s good is evil...we are living in those times.

 

[Lisa]

It's wrong to not love your neighbor and if everyone did abortions outside of health reasons wouldn't even be a conversation.

Thou shalt not kill...right mr50? Or do you not know that anymore? That’s not just for Christian’s, it’s God’s law for everyone even if you don’t believe in Him.

But beyond that...why should killing someone who can’t speak up for himself/herself be the only good option? Because if they could speak for themselves they would beg for their lives, they wouldn’t want to die or be killed, they did nothing, absolutely nothing wrong, But. Be. Conceived. And that’s what gives them the death penalty? Man that’s just sick- Love your neighbor indeed...

 

[manama]

And why is killing the only answer to an unwanted pregnancy?

What are the other options?

 

[Lisa]

What are the other options?

Not killing your baby.

 

[Damien50]

Thou shalt not kill...right mr50? Or do you not know that anymore? That’s not just for Christian’s, it’s God’s law for everyone even if you don’t believe in Him.

But beyond that...why should killing someone who can’t speak up for himself/herself be the only good option? Because if they could speak for themselves they would beg for their lives, they wouldn’t want to die or be killed, they did nothing, absolutely nothing wrong, But. Be. Conceived. And that’s what gives them the death penalty? Man that’s just sick- Love your neighbor indeed...

I like how you twisted it. I never advocated for abortion I'm just not denying people the choice to do what they want with their bodies. I even said I wish no one would have to consider an abortion but you ignore all that and create strawman arguments that aren't even related to what I've said.

You never really addressed the topic or even my questions just contributed a diatribe on abortion and then you think your opinion is relevant when you were never on topic to begin with. Your comments are manipulative and disingenuous having little to do with the topic.

 

[Damien50]

Not killing your baby.

Suicide because you were raped by several foreign soldiers, unable to identify the father, country destroyed by war, little aid being received, sick, malnourished, lingering mental and physical injuries from the r*pe, and you get to possible birth a r*pe baby in a ditch in the rain alone where you'll probably die with your baby.

But this is on topic.

 

[mecca]

Not killing your baby.

People aren't killing babies... late term abortions are always done out of medical necessity. No one would carry a baby that long all the way up to that point if they were planning to abort it, the only reason they would abort it that late is because the baby and the birth were not viable. It's hardly even a choice in that situation.

 

[Lisa]

I like how you twisted it. I never advocated for abortion I'm just not denying people the choice to do what they want with their bodies. I even said I wish no one would have to consider an abortion but you ignore all that and create strawman arguments that aren't even related to what I've said.

You never really addressed the topic or even my questions just contributed a diatribe on abortion and then you think your opinion is relevant when you were never on topic to begin with. Your comments are manipulative and disingenuous having little to do with the topic.

Well you didn’t say abortion was wrong.

What is wrong with my comments? Shouldn’t abortion be wrong?

 

[Lisa]

Suicide because you were raped by several foreign soldiers, unable to identify the father, country destroyed by war, little aid being received, sick, malnourished, lingering mental and physical injuries from the r*pe, and you get to possible birth a r*pe baby in a ditch in the rain alone where you'll probably die with your baby.

But this is on topic.

Why do you think that birthing a baby conceived by r*pe is a bad thing?

That’s on topic because that’s what you think of?

 

[Lisa]

People aren't killing babies... late term abortions are always done out of medical necessity. No one would carry a baby that long all the way up to that point if they were planning to abort it, the only reason they would abort it that late is because the baby and the birth were not viable. It's hardly even a choice in that situation.

They are taking a life, life begins at conception. Once that egg is fertilized then life begins.

 

[Lisa]

I think people want to say that in these most terrible of circumstances, a woman should be allowed to kill their baby. But, what I have brought up is even if you didn’t have that kind of circumstance, the verdict is still kill the baby.

We even treat different types of crimes differently. Sometimes if warranted the death penalty is given but more and more, people are getting away from that and just sentencing life in prison. You’re likely to get the death penalty if it’s really a heinous crime...that is unless you are conceived wrong or just plain not wanted, then it’s automatic death penalty for someone...and that someone won’t be you.
And all anyone is allowed to react is yay...the woman gets her choice. And this is the really crazy part...if you stick up for the unborn then you’re horrible and wrong and unfeeling towards what someone went through. I’m just saying it’s wrong to end that life, I don’t think that’s wrong.

 

[mecca]

They are taking a life, life begins at conception. Once that egg is fertilized then life begins.

It's not a living baby at conception... the egg hasn't even implanted yet... it's not even a fetus yet. And fetuses are not conscious... and they can't feel pain (all the way up until 24 weeks, and abortions are done way before this time).

You can't force a woman who's already been raped to grow a baby inside her and birth it... she already lost control over her body and the government really doesn't have the right to force her to do anything with her body. The woman is a conscious being but the fetus has not become one.

Once that egg is fertilized then life begins.

A fertilized egg is just two cells, it has not become a living baby yet... it has the potential to grow into one, but that doesn't always happen whether there's a natural spontaneous abortion a.k.a. miscarriage (which is quite common, up to 50% of pregnancies end early on like this) or perhaps an abortion.

And like I said, late term abortions are only done out of medical necessity. The baby or the birth was not viable at that point and there's nothing they can do about that.

 

[Damien50]

Well you didn’t say abortion was wrong.

What is wrong with my comments? Shouldn’t abortion be wrong?

I never said it wasn't wrong but I'm not going to tell a woman that was raped, not her choice, what she should do with her body.

 

[Damien50]

Why do you think that birthing a baby conceived by r*pe is a bad thing?

That’s on topic because that’s what you think of?

Have the baby if she wants but it isn't for the governed to be at the mercy of the state in situations like this. Have you ever been raped?

 

[justjess]

Lol when they make a thread about ME your comment will be relevant. I wouldn’t have made the choice I did had I not wholeheartedly believed the stuff I say. I don’t need you or anyone else to validate my decisions. And again, threads not about me. Sorry.

We can make it about you though if you’d like. And your apparant lack of ability to find any empathy in your heart for a single living breathing human being instead deciding to dedicate what few spare warm parts you have to clusters of cells with no consciousness. Enjoy your Sunday.

 

[Lisa]

It's not a living baby at conception... the egg hasn't even implanted yet... it's not even a fetus yet. And fetuses are not conscious... and they can't feel pain (all the way up until 24 weeks, and abortions are done way before this time).

You can't force a woman who's already been raped to grow a baby inside her and birth it... she already lost control over her body and the government really doesn't have the right to force her to do anything with her body. The woman is a conscious being but the fetus has not become one.

A fertilized egg is just two cells, it has not become a living baby yet... it has the potential to grow into one, but that doesn't always happen whether there's a natural spontaneous abortion a.k.a. miscarriage (which is quite common, up to 50% of pregnancies end early on like this) or perhaps an abortion.

And like I said, late term abortions are only done out of medical necessity. The baby or the birth was not viable at that point and there's nothing they can do about that.

By the time a woman knows she is pregnant, a baby has been growing inside her. I don’t care about the pain thing, a new life is being ended for no good reason.

Governments should make wise laws. A wise law to outlaw abortion because it’s wrong to kill. And then people wonder why people seem to be more unloving and uncaring. When people don’t protect the unborn then really what is being said is life isn’t precious, it’s rather cheap.

Every person alive now were conceived from the female egg being fertilized by a man’s sperm, that’s how it works. You wouldn’t be alive right now if that didn’t take place. So why should you who are alive say it’s ok for any woman to kill the life growing in her? And does islam agree with abortion? Just wondering.

It’s one thing for the body to miscarry it’s quite another for a human to decide to end the life of another human. Sometimes those late term abortions are done anyway and I think it was New York that has ok’d late term abortions. That’s also what happens when you give a little when you lower standards, those standards can go lower.